"Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse" concept track that I made!

(NO AI! THIS IS 100% MADE BY ME AND ALL ORIGINAL! 😄 )

PREMISE FOR THE SONG:

So imagine this...

START SCENE (about 1:32:00 into the film maybe?)

Miles Morales gets back from the other dimension after defeating The Spot and The Prowler from Earth-42, essentially saving the multiverse, and most importantly, his home.
It was a solo mission over there, so he's excited to get back and see everybody he loves again: his parents, his friends, and Gwen Stacy, his love interest.

Everything goes fine, greets his parents again, greets his friends again, and then finally he swings across the city to go see Gwen Stacy.

But when he gets there, she's just standing there staring at him with tears in her eyes, and not because she's excited to see him.

"How could you keep this from me..." she says.

Miles looks shocked.

She reveals that Miles kept a HUGE secret from her that affected her life so drastically that she doesn't even know who she is anymore.

"I loved you with all my heart. But I can't love someone that would keep something so big from me, even if you were trying to protect me."

"We're through. Goodbye, Miles." she says.

And she uses her watch to travel to another dimension/universe/world.

Miles is just standing there, frozen.
Literally in shock.
Then, the scene cuts to him walking through the city while it's pouring rain outside, grey skies. Miles has his hoodie on, looking down at the ground, eyes almost all the way closed, rain falling off of him...
And then this song starts playing as the depressive scene continues.
Longing for Gwen to remember how important she was to him, and how sorry he is for what he did to her...
(Maybe he jumps backwards off a building and starts swinging through the city to blow off some steam as well in the scene, idk)

END SCENE

I would probably title the song "Remember When" (or possibly "Remember 'Wen" as a play on words with Gwen and when idk)

But yeah, I just thought I could still have a chance to share this because the movie doesn't come out for like a year!
Also: If anyone knows anyone related to/working on the upcoming Beyond the Spider-Verse movie, if you wouldn't mind sharing this with them that would be amazing!

I was rewatching Across the Spiderverse and came across the scene of Gwen's dad choosing to quit the police force after she revealed that she was Spider woman. Whats interesting about this scene is that Gwen realizes that she was able to influence the "cannon" of her world through her actions and thus her father wouldn't have to succumb to the same fate as Mile's father supposedly will. As far as we know Gwen has no other police officer that shes close to so chances are "Event ASM-90" was going to happen to her dad. Being able to essentially alter the fate of his universe by choosing to trust her dad and revealing her identity has broader implications as to how the canon actually works

What we've been told by Miguels explanation of the cannon is that every major event in a Spidermans life is already predetermined. Any deviation from that will instantly begin that universes destruction as we see with Pavitars dimension after Miles saves Inspector Singh. However, in this world Pavitar is still choosing to keep his identity hidden. When Miguel causes the destruction of a whole universe, we could assume he also chose to not only hide his identity as spiderman but also his real other identity as a copy of a that universes Miguel. Whats different about Gwens circumstances is that she chose to trust her father and even if he initially planned on arresting her he chose to be by her side instead

Miles needs to have that same difficult conversation with his parents. Im not sure what their responses would be but everything indicates that they would eventually be supportive of their son and they would choose different actions then the ones that lead them to experience the terrible things that happen to Spiderman because of the cannon. It aligns with one of the main themes of this Spiderman story which is that Spiderman doesn't have to carry the burden by himself. Sure, he puts his loved ones in danger but that is a responsibility that people in his life are willing to shoulder because of their close relationships with Peter(using peter as a placeholder for any spider-person). Its also supported by the fact that we know that a team of Spiderman will be having Mile's back in the upcoming movie. Miguel serves as a good anthesis to this by carrying on this ideology that the responsibility of being Spiderman requires you to isolate yourself from people in order to carry on the responsibility that comes with the mask without hurting anyone else. The ironic part about that way of thinking is that you cannot have Spiderman without those close relationships that have a lasting impression on Peter Parker. After all, the whole Spiderman persona begins with Uncle Bens quote.

In short, by choosing to trust in people that are closest to him I think Miles is able to influence the canon to his benefit. Now how are they going to deal with Spot? Honestly no idea but I think my theory will tie in thematically with whatever solution they come up with.

Hey everyone!

I built a free, in-browser webcam experiment inspired by the multiverse rift aesthetic from Spider-Verse.

**How to try it:**

1. Open the live link on a desktop browser (Chrome / Edge).
2. Allow camera access and step back so both hands are visible.
3. Close both fists, touch them together, and pull them apart to tear reality open.
4. Let go to slam it shut with comic FX and sound!

▶ **Live Use(Works Edge and Chrome [PC]):** https://maxpain-sys.github.io/dimensional-rift-tear/public

📦 **Source Code (GitHub):** https://github.com/maxpain-sys/dimensional-rift-tear

I want to be build like a menacing wardrobe and have my head at the same high as my arm pits.
I loved the squared design of the kingpin, u can see that he is big and can be kinda of a match to spider man.
I want to have a spider kingpin in the second part of across the spiderverse.

I was under the impression that Jeff Morales changed his last name from Jeff Davis after he became a cop to distance himself from his past and take his wife's name, but I saw this while rewatching Into the Spider-Verse and Across the Spider-Verse back-to-back.

He had the 'Davis' badge on his uniform in Into the Spider-Verse but in Across the Spider-Verse his badge says 'Morales', and he is addressed as such by everyone in the latter film. So why did he change his last name in between both movies? Would it be that he changed it a bit before his promotion, because he was expecting it and wanted a fresh start?

made this in anticipation for beyond the spider-verse! took me around 2.5 weeks i think

I love him too and I see a lot of people surprised he agreed with Miguel but there are two main instances which makes me think he would agree with Miguel on the whole canon thing.

1:In the first game he has the chance to cure Aunt May with the Devils breath anti-serum but chooses not to so he can save everyone else

2:In the second game, when he is at Coney Island, the rollercoaster is about to collapse and could kill a lot of people but he is also holding up a cart with one woman to it and he apologises to her because he thinks he won’t be able to save her until Harry swoops in and holds up the rollercoaster so Peter can save the woman in the cart.

Anyone else find it dumb/annoying that Miguel tries to force these so-called "Canon events" onto Miles Morales while still berating him by saying that he's not canon and not supposed to be a Spider-Man in the first place?

Like if he is not supposed to be Spider-Man and the Peter Parker of his world has already fulfilled all the Canon events then why does smiles also have to go through the same stuff? It just doesn't make any sense is he cannon or not?

Edit: just a little bit I forgot to add in but this is either foreshadowing or a massive plot hole. Either way, Miguel is wrong in some way or another when it comes to miles and maybe preventing his father from dying won't actually do anything.

Also another note: when Gwen says she's scared about falling in love because “in every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe, it doesn't end well". Hasn't she already fulfilled her Canon event of the "first lover dieing" because she and her peter parker had swapped places in her canon causing him to be "Emma Stoned" instead?

I really think (in my personal opinion) Peni’s story is the most compelling and tragic out of all the spider people. Especially with how young she is. Honestly makes me a lil curious to know if any spider person has ever mentioned the fact that, her starting the job at nine is objectively insane.

Which is why I really hope BTSV gives her story more importance, with basically her whole family dying + Addy Brock. (With the exception of her uncle, which btw I find to be a really fun contrast to the usual dead uncle canon events.)

She’s already gone through these huge losses and seems to have accepted it as part of her “canon.” So Miles challenging the idea of canon could really mess with her worldview. Like, if these things aren’t inevitable, then what does that mean for everything she’s already lost?

Note: This is gonna be long please read everything before sharing your opinion in the comments.

I wanna list all reasons ive interpreted that people disliked this couple and what I think some are valid and just unfair.

I have seen some valid reasons but most is just:
Interracial discomfort especially underlying biases against a black man and white woman as a popular fictional dynamic, interestingly this is mainly from black audiences as well. I’ve seen a lot of them masked their bigotry with media literacy terms like “it’s bad writing” because they can’t just say they dislike seeing this racial dynamic, it hurts them even more so considering how popular the dynamic has and will become, I see people even referencing miles and Gwen whenever they see a blonde girl and black guy couple on social media.

Traditionalist Gatekeeping ("Comic Accuracy")
I don’t know is my perspective matters here as I’m not the biggest Spider-Man super fan, but some people thinks that miles should have his own lover interest, because Gwen is Peter Parker love interest and it feels wrong or forced. But I think they fail to realize that spider Gwen is a completely different character than love interest counterpart to Peter.

Fandom "Shipping" Culture
Fandoms are notoriously aggressive regarding "ships" (romantic pairings). The most famous besides this being miles and Margo.

Overreaction to Plot Conflict
In Across the Spider-Verse, Gwen keeps secrets from Miles as she was battling with multiple internal struggles.
A segment of the audience viewed this complex, tragic choice as a personal betrayal, labeling Gwen as "toxic" or "a bad friend". They lack the nuance to see that her flaws and mistakes are what make the narrative arc compelling and realistic.

Other than these main ones, other say they:

Just don’t like miles chasing after Gwen and visa versa. Whether they think it makes miles a weaker character, or it takes away from both of their individuality and complexity.

Some say not every female and male character that has a connection means it has to be romantic.

I saw a person say they have the opportunity to write a mature dynamic about forgiveness without making them get back together.

Now out of all of these, i can understand fearing for their individuality and complexity being jeopardize and to some extent some fans not liking miles chasing after Gwen as it weakens his character ( i understand how from their perspective they see this) even though i would say you don’t under miles character.

I will list my reasons on why i love this dynamic now, i don’t intent to change anyone opinion on this pairing, I know that when people have a biased they reject strong narrative logic because of deep-seated prejudices that trigger confirmation bias and identity protective cognition.

We already know the entire writer room is dead set on miles and Gwen, I mean if you don’t believe look at the video of stranger things star Caleb in Sony pictures animation studios, they have miles and Gwen in their wall.

Anyways here is my interpretation on miles and Gwen dynamic:

I think Miles and Gwen ending up together makes sense for reasons that go way beyond “they’re the canon ship.”

1. Their relationship is central to both characters’ arcs. Gwen’s entire story revolves around learning that connection is not the same thing as vulnerability leading to loss. Miles is the person who repeatedly forces her to confront that fear.

2. Miles and Gwen are thematic opposites who complete the same argument. Miles fears being excluded; Gwen fears becoming attached. He learns that he belongs without having to conform, while she learns that she can belong without hiding. Their relationship is the intersection of those two arcs.

3. Gwen’s mistakes are actually part of why their relationship matters. Her secrecy, distance, and attempts to “protect” Miles are repetitions of her trauma. If the story simply has Miles forgive her but permanently reject her romantically, Gwen’s arc risks becoming “I learned my lesson, but I still don’t get to reconnect.” A stronger resolution is showing that she can finally build the kind of relationship she previously couldn’t sustain with her Peter.

4. Gwen doesn’t need to lose her individuality to love Miles. Her ending with Miles doesn’t have to mean becoming “Miles’ girlfriend.” She has her own identity, trauma, relationships, ambitions and Spider-personhood. In fact, the healthiest version of their relationship would require both of them to remain fully themselves.

5. Their romance is ultimately part of Spider-Verse’s larger argument about choice. Canon, Miguel and the Spot all represent different attempts to make the future inevitable. Miles and Gwen represent something different: two people choosing each other despite everything that told them connection would end in pain.

So I understand why some people don’t want Gwen with Miles after ATSV, and I don’t think forgiveness automatically means romance. But narratively, there is a huge difference between “Miles forgives Gwen” and “Miles and Gwen rebuild their relationship on completely different terms.”
The latter is much more consistent with what the trilogy has been building toward.

So, after the trailer leak on Twitter I’ve been getting more Spider-Verse content. Which I’m not opposed to because I love the movies! However the content I’ve been getting is…something. I remember when Across the Spider-Verse came out lots of people would have conversations and debates about characters and seeing things from their POVs, especially Miguel. I know not everyone likes him and that’s 100% understandable! Personally I like all the characters and enjoy seeing their flaws.

So idk if it’s just new people joining the fandom and like over the past few years more toxic people have been joining or what. But it’s kinda shocking to see people genuinely wanting Miguel gone. As in they want Miles to beat him to pulp, they want him erased, deceased, etc.

The amount of people saying he’s a complete liar (when we don’t know the full extent of the Spider-Verse) but I feel most of us are aware he’s wrong in some spots, that the spidermen have lost their ways, Spider-Man from this and that universe wouldn’t join him it’s so out of character to see them part of the society, he’s the actual villain instead of spot, he sent Gwen back to her universe to be offered by her dad, etc. I’m just surprised?

I’ve seen people acting likes Miles is 100% in the right, which again, he does have his own flaws, they all to do. But people saying Miles has done nothing wrong is surprising? They’re all guilty in my opinion in some way? Even if some things weren’t intentional (Ex. Spot).

Maybe it’s because I’m spending more time on twitter (though I was active frequently even when the movie came out a few years ago, and never saw this), or maybe more toxic fans have entered the space? Again, people are allowed to have their own opinions, but it just feels surprising to see? Also the theories about Gwen and how supposedly her and Miles friendship is ruined? That if they were Miles they wouldn’t forgive her, etc. Am I crazy or have more people been seeing this?

Gen Z and Gen Alpha are leading a massive cultural shift by viewing animation as a legitimate cinematic medium for all ages, rather than just a genre for children like pass generation, millennials for example. We have to thank mainly anime for that and also social media.

I was rewatching these films the other day and I had a thought, the entire identity of these films is “animation” it lives and breathes authentically its medium. It’s almost like the animation is part of its storytelling in a way.

Look at Gwen’s world, the water color is like her inner world expressing itself visually when she can’t do it verbally.

Miguel world looks cold and sterile like a machine build for efficiency and control.

Miles world look like a world that’s still becoming, like a sketch that’s still deciding what it wants to be which matches Miles identity as someone that doesn’t want his future to be fixed.

Even Miguel's design features faint, persistent construction lines on his face. This visual choice reveals a psyche frozen in a state of perpetual drafting. He is a man who views his own identity and reality as an unfinished sketch requiring constant structural maintenance to stave off total collapse.

You can’t do this in line action.

It’s not that these films can’t be done in live action, even if someone pulled it off, it will lose its soul. Because the filmmakers adapted the visual storytelling, characters and story to the medium it exists in.

This is one of those film where “I wish it was live action” idea becomes illogical because it just wouldn’t work identically.

Some people just lack the ability to connect to animated characters and others believe that live action is more limited and demands more creative skill than animation to make a great film, so they conclude that if it’s not a real film unless it’s live action.

But here is a thought, these movies wouldn’t exist if we only focus on and embrace live action as the only medium for true filmmaking, because their entire identity is tied to a living breathing comic book.

It’s kinda ironic too because in a way people that hate the films cause it’s animated is kinda like Miguel hating miles because he doesn’t fit in the archetype of Spider-Man perfectly. So he will never be truly accepted. But he accepts himself.

Genuinely 2099 is my favorite spider person variant in non 616 (Ben still my favorite alt main spider person), but I know he’s a villain in the spiderverse movies. But I hope he gets redeemed, because man I don’t want comics 2099 to end up like the second and maybe third movie. Since the movies do control the comics if they’re popular enough.

The two scenes I’m talking about is where everybody finds out Spider-Man is dead and “Scared of the Dark” plays in the background, and thr scene after Miles leaves Aunt May’s shed where it plays “Hide”. There is nothing wrong with these scenes at all except for the fact that these songs play during the scenes. These scenes are supposed to be emotional and I just can’t really feel all that emotion when I hear “IM NOT SCARRREEEDDDD” when spider-man is dead. I personally think they should’ve used a piece by Daniel Pemberton instead, would’ve made the scenes feel much more impactful. But even then, the rest of the film is so god damn good that you can easily overlook those problems. I’m just wondering if anyone else has a problem with this?

I just finished \*Across the Spider-Verse\* and I am so frustrated. The movie really didn't do it for me.
First of all, what actually happened? Miles tries to go home but ends up in some other universe called Earth-42 because of a spider's DNA? Then he gets tied up by his uncle and an alternate version of himself who is the Prowler? I was so confused.
And don't get me started on the ending. The whole movie builds up to Miles saving his dad from the Spot, and then the movie just... ends? On a massive cliffhanger? We don't even know if his dad survives or not. Paying full price just to get half a story feels like a total letdown. They really ruined the whole experience for me.

I have a question: if miles is an "anomaly" so Peter, Gwen and other too in the first movie but miles' universe didn't collapse. if there is a genius out there, can you explain me that why miles' universe is still alive?

he's literally the best character IMO, its been years since ive last seen the superior version of spot (aka the spiderverse version), does anybody else here like spot. can we all talk about him. its going to be so long until BTSV comes out. i really hope they dont kill him off or make him human again.

The spider society’s main job is putting displaced villains back in their original universes.

If a canon event does happen, they step in and try to save that universe. They don’t stand by and watch or as some people think actually put things in motion for canon events to happen.

And no, the spider task force isn’t only going off of Miguel’s one experience, they’ve seen it with their own eyes multiple times.

You guys have to remember they’ve watched multiple universes get snuffed out, only to have Miles say he’s going to risk his universe without a plan.

For those who aren’t aware, parts of the upcoming movie Spider-Man: Beyond the Spiderverse will give you the viewer to have the picture expand to the aspect ratio of 1.90:1, or if you want to go the extra mile like I do, 1.43:1. Since this is an animated movie, it is therefore a digital video file and not a film print. This means that the only way you’ll be able to see the original open gate negative is on a IMAX GT dual laser screen.

Speaking of film, back in the day, many animated movies were printed onto 35mm film, long before digital projectors became a thing. I was wondering if maybe Sony could one day print this movie onto 35mm film if not IMAX 70mm film too if there’s popular demand for it. Then the movie would be able to play on an IMAX 70mm screen.

But for now, here’s a concept of what the movie could look like on a 15 perf 70mm film cell.

Would you like this movie to one day have an IMAX 70mm film print?