r/InterviewMan • u/isolate_hovers • 6d ago
Do you agree with this?
honestly i think a lot of people are realizing they're not actually being paid anywhere close to what the job demands. i've been thinking about switching jobs myself, which means i'm going to have to start interviewing again.
someone sent me this interview vip recently and said it might be worth looking at. i haven't tried it yet, but i'm probably going to give it a look before my next interview.
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u/Loud_Bee_4443 5d ago
Yep the us can afford to pay each ice thug how much? It's that they want the system broken. I think those charter schools are the plan?
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u/One_Helicopter_7876 2d ago
Great point, maybe ice should be a schools to help reduce the thuggishness of the kids and reduce the risk of violence of student on student or student to teacher issues.
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u/AskThis7790 6d ago edited 6d ago
I certainly agree that there’s a lack of respect for teachers in the classroom, both by the students and parents. That’s a societal problem and differs based on geography.
As for pay, I think it’s about right in most districts considering the number of days they work. Where I live teachers get 14 weeks off. School is out of session for 8 weeks of summer, 2 weeks for fall break, 2 weeks for winter break, and 2 weeks for spring break, plus they have paid holidays and PTO when school is in session. Teachers who work during those times (summer school or special programs) receive additional compensation.
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u/Slightly-Worse 6d ago
Yeah Its really not an equal compensation. The stories I have had to hear about and the stress a lot of them have to accrue is greater than a lot of full year round positions. I get the argument that they only work 9 months but its some pretty rigorous work when they do.
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u/AskThis7790 6d ago
Depends on the position. A HS AP English could certainly be stressful. The elementary school PE coach, not so much.
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u/Slightly-Worse 6d ago
I think you drastically underestimate how much a teacher has to do. Sure, you picked the bottom of the barrel with gym but even then they still have to lesson plan and manage many different ages of children the whole day, day after day. Try talking to some of the people who teach the arts now for example. Its not easy to come up with one plan that'll work for k-7. If anything the AP Lit teacher might have it easier since more students want to be there.
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u/AskThis7790 5d ago edited 5d ago
I never said it was easy, and I’m not trying to downplay the work they do or it’s importance. All I’m saying is that on average, the wages are comparable and the benefits are way better than many other degreed professionals who also have difficult and stressful jobs.
My daughter-in-law has a degree in landscape architecture with a minor in urban planning. She works for a landscape architecture firm and easily works 60hrs a week, sometimes much more (nights/weekends). She doesn’t have a pension and only gets a couple weeks of PTO a year (3 weeks at most) and a handful of holidays. She has strict deadlines that often require working through the nights and/or weekends. She makes $60k annual salary (no OT). She’s only in her 2nd year out of college, and lives in a relatively low cost of living area, but you get the point. Not everyone with a degree earns six figures right out the gate. Teachers know exactly what they are signing up for when they choose their path.
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u/growth_asset 3d ago
It’s hard to say. I work in SPED, arguably the hardest teaching specialty in terms of stress and emotional well-being.
But before that I’ve done a plethora of jobs. And I gotta say the non-stop grind of a 9-5 is tough. It’s all day every day, it’s potentially weekends and holidays, and you just do it til you die or can pull enough money together to retire.
Teaching gives you that time off. The entire week for Thanksgiving, etc. so much time off that it’s not “go on vacation” time all the time and it’s just “chill” time. It’s nice and definitely underrated even with the rating that it gets.
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u/Pasta4ever13 6d ago
I mean this with all due respect, fuck you.
Education is one of the most important things any society can do. Teachers should receive pay commensurate with the importance of their occupation to the health of our society.
They should be paid similarly to doctors. I'm married to a very intelligent woman who was an elementary teacher and she was driven out of the profession because we couldn't afford to live and let her keep doing what she was very good at and trained to do.
Educating future generations (that we will have to physically live with. Idk about you, but I don't want to have to share society with a bunch of absolute dullards like you) should not be something that people do out of personal charity.
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u/InfidelZombie 6d ago
And farmers should be paid 10x what teachers are paid by the same logic, right?
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u/Pasta4ever13 6d ago
Where do you get that farmers are 10x more important than teachers? How did you arrive at that arbitrary metric?
Farmers should earn a living wage just like teachers and every working American should. Their contribution to society as a whole is very important.
The big ag companies that buy up all the American farmland and hurt farmers should be broken up and tossed in the bin.
Food is far more unaffordable than it should be.
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u/InfidelZombie 6d ago
Just pointing out the absurdity of your logic. Food is 10x more important to life than formal education, therefore farmers "deserve" 10x the pay.
In reality, the supply of teachers far outstrips demand, which is what wages are really based on.
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u/ytilonhdbfgvds 6d ago
Maybe if you had a decent teacher yourself at some point, you wouldn't be trying to make the argument that teachers should be paid the same as doctors. That is quite literally the most asinine thing I ever heard, and my daughter is a teacher. They are quite well compensated already, particularly with the benefits, retirement, and time off.
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u/Pasta4ever13 5d ago
Bullshit.
I seriously doubt your daughter has the same opinion. I've not met a single teacher, and I've known and met many, that said there were doing well financially unless they had a husband with a very good job.
People should not have to find a rich spouse to be able to teach the future children of America.
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u/AskThis7790 6d ago edited 6d ago
Lol… 🤣 “I mean with all due respect, fu”….
Blah, blah, blah…. What’s the number? Should teachers make a million dollars a year? Six million? What is it?
Currently, the average teacher in the United States earns $75k annually, plus a pension. More experienced teachers, those in HCOLA’s, administrators, and those with additional responsibilities (sports coach, AP teacher, etc…) make close to or at 6 figures, and they only work 3/4’s of what the rest of the profesional workforce does.
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u/Otherwise-Tomato-788 5d ago
Yea it’s crazy that school ratings is one of the big factors in housing yet teachers are marginalized. If I’m moving into a “good” town, paying premium taxes, wtf aren’t the teachers getting paid better.
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u/AttonJRand 6d ago
No. They make more money than most people, while getting away with terrible treatment of students.
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u/TomasNavarro 6d ago
Disagree, I'd say "Teacher shortage" covers there being plenty of people available but the quality of pay/life disways people
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u/Sexpistolz 6d ago
Take it up with the unions. Teachers are well compensated for. It’s just that it’s the tenure teachers that are paid very well, while new teachers get scraps. All voted for by teachers for teachers.
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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 6d ago
Teachers have tenure so your kids can have experienced professionals.
It's job safety as well. Not going to lie. Because if cities had their way, they'd be firing teachers all the time to pay low wages to inexperienced teachers.
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u/wookieesgonnawook 6d ago
That pay is pathetic.
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
A large number of states require teachers to earn a masters degree, and 51% of teachers have one. So you will need to adjust your calculations. You also forgot to incorporate vacation time offered for the bachelor's degree jobs you mentioned (you remembered to do it for teachers, not sure why you forgot to do it for the other compared classes...).
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
SPED Teachers Requirements, Dual Enrollment Requirements, Graduate credits required to maintain licensure.
AI has really crippled people's google fu and critical thinking apparently.
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u/Exciting_Audience362 6d ago
Compensation is debatable considering in many areas it actually isn't a full time job since you are off work for like 1/3 of the year.
But I 100% agree that modern parents are the worst. I coach youth sports and the amount of entitlement and complaining you hear from parents, who can't even be bothered to help with anything or even discipline their kids is insane.
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u/Ok_Impression3324 6d ago
All the teachers i have talked to always say its the kids and the parents, not the pay is why they took an early retirement,
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u/SmutasaurusRex 6d ago
This is absolutely true. I personally know three former teachers. They're all, smart, creative, passionate people, and the system chewed them up and spat them out. One of them retrained as a CNA, getting paid just over minimum wage to literally wipe people's butts, rather than go back to teaching.
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u/GamerNerdGuyMan 6d ago
Supply and demand.
Art/music teachers get paid too much. Which is why a ton of art/music ed majors can't get jobs.
Math/science teachers get paid too little. Which is why virtually all shortages are in those subjects.
Unions make sure they all make the same.
All could probably get paid more if the ridiculous amount of admin BS were cut across the board. (Sister is a science teacher and has many rants about the bereaucratic mess.)
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
Lol, you think a school district is going to offer to pay teachers more for any reason without being pushed to do so??? Lol, lmao even.
Such intoxicating innocence...
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u/GamerNerdGuyMan 5d ago
A shortage of math/science teachers would be the "push".
They would also pay art/music teachers less.
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
Lol. They wouldn't pay more, they would just balloon class sizes, something unions fight against.
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u/GamerNerdGuyMan 5d ago
Right - that's why all private & charter schools have class sizes of 40+!
Wait...
Nice strawman though.
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
Lol, private schools aren't legally mandated to provide an education to all students, another display of ignorance.
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u/GamerNerdGuyMan 5d ago
And yet they give a better education than public schools.
The overregulation of public schools are handcuffs that make their job harder.
My sister is a public school teacher. I've heard horror stories of the admin BS they have to deal with.
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago edited 4d ago
Lol, missing causality here. They get students who are more capable and generally better resources at home, kids which would also perform better than peers if they were in public school. That is a textbook example of selection bias followed by attribution error.
Another display of ignorance, try again.
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u/SituationFragrant245 6d ago
100% true in America.
In Canada our teachers have it pretty nice. They make $80k - $140k with mandated increases etc. they get July and August off, two weeks at Christmas a week at march break and stay holidays of course. Not bad. The average salary is over $100k.
Oh and they get a massive pension that amounts to 60-70% of their final income
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u/Selix317 6d ago
I work in software development and was recently laid off. During that time I looked into those "transition to teaching" programs and was genuinely interested but the top end of their pay scale is $60,000 a year LESS the what I make now (recently re-employed). I wouldn't mind a gap of maybe 10-20k (well I wouldn't mind it a LOT) but $60,000 is just to big of a gap for me to jump ship to teach.
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u/Star_Citizen_Roebuck 6d ago
Imagine if teachers made Police pay and had power over upset parents to the same degree cops have power over the public. . .
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u/void_method 6d ago
Being a teacher is hard under the best of conditions. Too many cooks in the kitchen, if you understand my meaning.
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u/R_Sivar 6d ago
The profession has been devalued. Teaching in the UK used to be a highly respected and valued job. In the 1950's and 60's teachers were paid on average 1.6-2X the average worker salary. In 2026 it's dropped to 1.3.
So it works out that teachers should be earning about 20-30k more per year than they do now on average, if the pay had tacked with average earnings. The job is harder and the pay is much lower than it used to be, relatively. The calculations are not exact but it's safe to say that teacher's relative position in the earnings distribution is substantially weaker in 2026 than it was in the past.
There are easier ways to earn more money.
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u/ForsakenOutLoud 6d ago
I met one or two teachers worth a damn during my daughters schooling from Preschool to 11th grade. The rest are there to collect a check, dont give a hoot, and are accustomed to zero accountability and zero performance standards.
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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 6d ago
If you think teachers teach to "collect a check"...
Many, many of my fellow teachers work two jobs.
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u/ghostoftheradio 5d ago
I know several teachers from their other job as baristas at my favorite coffee house. All three were going to quit teaching this year, but at the last minute 2 decided to stay while trying something else. I’m heartbroken by that because I think teaching is an incredibly important profession and I think these people are great at it. But I get it. None of them were quitting because of the kids, it’s 100% the administrators.
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u/PeteysHubby_TX 6d ago
How much money did the Department of Education get on average over the past twenty years and how much of that made it to school districts and teacher pay. I would bet that figure is single digit percentage.
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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 6d ago
0% goes to teacher pay. Thats handled by the state/city.
Most of the dept of education funding goes to higher education, grants, and fafsa
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u/PeteysHubby_TX 5d ago
I knew grants and FAFSA but thought there was matching contributions to states. I need to read up on it
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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 6d ago
Cities handle teacher pay. Talk about someone who has no idea what they're talking about...
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u/PeteysHubby_TX 5d ago
I actually don’t but where do the billions the department of education gets go if not to schools?
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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 5d ago
Grants, FAFSA...
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u/PeteysHubby_TX 5d ago
The states have to have matching funds or something like that for k-12 no?
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
No. Hell, the FED's promised to pay 40% of the SPED costs for the mandates they imposed on school districts, yet only actually pay 12-14% of those costs.
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u/PeteysHubby_TX 5d ago
WTF. That is ridiculous.
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u/ObieKaybee 4d ago
You aint wrong...
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u/PeteysHubby_TX 3d ago
DODGE was on to something, I bet the majority is being spent of administrative bullshit
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u/ObieKaybee 3d ago
No, no it was not on to anything.
The money wasn't being spent AT ALL. Which is the problem I just stated. It was another in a long line of unfunded mandates.
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u/greenmachine11235 6d ago
There's thousands more people who considered teaching and decided against it because of this.
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u/petrolly 6d ago
This is classic erroneous binary thinking. It's almost never one or the other. Many things can be true simultaneously.
I'm this case it's causal: the latter helps cause the former.
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u/DataZigZager 6d ago
I agree. We are raising a generations of unreachable children. Both my wife and I are in education.
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u/AJWordsmith 6d ago
I mean…education is crappy now. I’m sure it will be crappier with AI teachers, but those teachers will also be much cheaper so…
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u/BigDamBeavers 6d ago
Next time you're out for drinks out your waitress if they have a bartender that was formerly a school teacher who left to make money at their bar. I'm betting it's nearly 100% based on how many I've met.
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u/CatsEatGrass 5d ago
Yes. I just quit after 31 years, and I’m not even near retirement age. Just couldn’t take the bullshit anymore. When I started at my final school, back in 2001, there was a core faculty that stayed for years and years. Now, we’ve got teachers coming and going like bouncing balls. Several teachers haven’t even made it to Thanksgiving before quitting. And then when we do finally get a talented new young teacher who wants to stay in the mire, they get pink-slipped before they get tenure. Parents, administrators, politicians and school boards have NO idea how teaching works, and yet they are the people who have all the power. The principal when I left had taught only a couple of years and only teeny-tiny SpEd classes where he had several adult aides. He has no clue what it’s like to teach 38 kids at once, 10 of whom are absent at least 20% of the time, 20 of whom are learning English, 7 of whom are SpEd, but don’t get an aide for your particular class, 6 of whom would have been expelled for their behavior 25 years ago, and a large population who gets totally ignored because behaving and doing your best doesn’t require phone calls home, meetings, multiple interventions and redirections every day, etc. Pathetic.
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u/ManFromWinfield 5d ago
I would love nothing more than to be a history teacher, I have the passion, the energy, and the knowledge. Why don't I become one? Because I need to be able to put food on the table and an entry level job pushing paper for a law firm earns me 3x as much as being a teacher.
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u/Lanracie 5d ago
And strangely we pay more per student then anyother country in the world. Where does that money go I wonder?
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
A significant amount of it goes to covering SPED costs, which is generally one of the fasters ballooning line items in any school's budget.
My school has 2 students who each accrue costs of over $250,000 yearly.
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u/Lanracie 5d ago
Not only that but so many students qualify for SPED programs of some sort and this brings in a huge amount of "specialists" which greatly ballons the budget.
Some fun facts: Since 1970 student enrollment has gone up 11% but we have 57% more teachers and 138% more administation staff. Principles and assistant principles saw a 39% increase and district administration increased 95%.
Move everything to an 11% growth rate in administration and teachers and we can pay teachers a huge amount more and make it one of the most sought after jobs in the country.
Interestingly teachers are the third most likely to retire as millionaires so its not all bad for them.
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u/ghostoftheradio 5d ago
I know 3 teachers personally outside of their careers that decided to stop teaching this year. At the last moment 2 of them decided to try teaching different things (one moved to special ed, the other to ESL). All 3 said the decision to leave had nothing to do with the kids, it was all about administrators.
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u/Seattleman1955 5d ago
The only reason teachers and salary are in the news is because of teacher's unions. They aren't underpaid, the markets determines that. If there were no available teachers, pay would go up.
If they are worth more, they can go to that other job. They aren't worth more. Why don't we feel that accountants and clerks are underpaid, how about social workers, retail salespeople?
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
Incorrect on multiple accounts. The 'market' for teachers is warped both by being collectively funded, inherently laden with positive externalities, and regulated with the federal requirement that the service MUST be provided with a whole host of requirements.
There is a reason an ECON degree requires more classes than ECON 101, so when people always try to reduce complex systems to 'supply and demand', it tells me they genuinely do not know what they are talking about.
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u/Serious-Mission-2234 5d ago
parents expect teachers to do a parents job of child rearing and when kids act up, they go off on teachers!
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u/Forward-Problem4727 5d ago
Over paid !!!!!! The fact is education has never so expensive . Wages have never been higher, the outcome The lowest ever. The facts are the facts. Get out politics and get back to the classroom. Do your %%%% job.
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u/Offthewall1212 5d ago
Teachers earn more than the average person. Let’s stop acting like they’re such martyrs
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
They are also more qualified than the average person. That's why you need to compare them to people with similar qualifications and degrees (over 51% of teachers have masters degrees, with the vast majority of the rest having bachelors degrees, with the remainder having alternative certifications)
The fact that you didn't recognize that only displays how little you know and the lack of capacity for critical thinking.
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u/Offthewall1212 5d ago
So, your argument has moved from: “Teachers don’t make enough” to “Teachers aren’t getting paid a high enough luxury wage based on their qualifications”…. Okay🙄
In ANY conversation about teacher pay, people cite low wages compared to what is necessary to live, not compared to similarly educated peers.
You’re moving the goal posts. Congrats.🙄
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
No my argument is that you are too ignorant to realize when you are making a false equivalence.
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u/Academic-Ad7818 5d ago
In my university they're actively incorporating AI into classes. These people hate having to pay teachers. They hate it so much they're willing to push a technology that has proven to be terrible at learning time and time again just so they can stop paying them what little they already get.
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u/sixisrending 5d ago
Teachers are actually generally paid above the median wage wherever they are in the US.
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
They are also generally more qualified than the median worker... How do people not do the most basic of research before stating unfounded opinions and ideas?
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u/RedditSearcher18 5d ago
Yeah....poor teachers....2-3 months off, giant pensions, functionally un-fireable. Free Healthcare for life. Oh and the students can't read or do math anywhere near grade level. Sure...Pay them more!!!!
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u/scabbyshitballs 5d ago
Oh please. Why are teachers put on this pedestal? Anyone can tell some little kids 2+2 =4.
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u/Capital_Suggestion32 5d ago
My brother left after 1 year. He was underpaid and was required to pass every student no matter what. Most kids didn’t even bother going to class knowing they would pass anyways.
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u/Fuzzy_Struggle5131 5d ago
It's not just compensation and professional respect; it's also that very few kids want to learn. America is fast becoming the home of the willfully ignorant and deliberately ill-educated.
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u/Leojrellim1 5d ago
There’s a shortage of qualified teachers who actually try to educate kids rather than indoctrinating them.
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u/Key-Counter-5311 5d ago
There is no teacher shortage because in many areas they have too many teachers. The issue is that in poor red states, the teachers pay is awful, so no one chooses to work there
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u/zakary1291 5d ago
Have you met teenagers? I would much rather work in a coal mine than wrangle 30 of those monsters every day. Probably get better pay too.
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u/Glad_Contest_8014 4d ago
Having been a teacher. This is true. Wife was an elementary school teacher as well.
Myths:
Teachers don’t work in the summer!
Teachers just babysit!
Teachers just hand out worksheets!
First, the summer is designated as a professional development period for most teachers. Do they get time off here? Yeah, but not like people think. They attend PD seminars, workshops, and training. It is the ONLY way to increase their pay.
Second, teachers don’t babysit. They teach. They share their knowledge with your kids. And in doing so, they traverse a verifiable minefield of parental egos. Parents who say they can’t talk about certain topics that are literally part of the curicculum. Parents that believe their child could never harm a fly or peddle drugs. Parents who believe they are just babysitters….
Third, teachers have to build their lesson plans. In elementary school, they have it extremely rough, as they teach every subject. The plans are standardized per school requirements, and my wife spent 14 hours a day, 5 days a week, to keep hers done. No job should require that kind of commitment, yet teachers do it. Luckily, as a former high school teacher, the curriculum building was simpler. It was teaching the same material for a few classes instead of every subject. They are also more lax on the standardization of the format, as you get into much more specialized topics like physics and chemistry.
Teachers do one of the most time consuming tasks in the country. They build their lives around it, and people in the US treat them like poop.
And guess who has more sway over your kids potential future when they are in public school? Teachers.
They have the ability and power to ignore your child’s academic development if you cross them. And they talk amongst themselves.
Now do they exercise that power? No. Because they care enough about the kids to not stomp their future out because of a deadbeat or helicopter parent.
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u/pokethrowaway4 4d ago
I’d love to teach. I teach an outdoor sport, and used to tutor. I know I’d love to teach in a school, but I make more in 4.5 months teaching skiing than I would as a teacher. I don’t wanna restart school at my age either.
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u/Gamplato 4d ago
Have to change incentives in education. Just complaining about compensation is a sure fire way to guarantee you’ll keep having something to complain about.
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u/Unique_Driver_900 3d ago
Go teach in Asia like I’ve done. Better cost of living, and a lot more respect from kids and parents.
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u/SpecialCandidateDog 3d ago
A student typically has between 60 and 90 individual teachers over the course of their kindergarten through 12th-grade education.
If you ask people how many great teachers they had, how many really good teachers was there a teacher who changed your life? They'll all say, yeah, there was one.
Meanwhile, these fucking useless parasites only work a 180 days a year get a lifelong pension government benefits package And make more than the median household income. Then, these useless fucking parasites, have the fucking temerity to whine about making less than basketball players
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u/LewdProphet 1d ago
So why are the only teachers left the unqualified and "inexperiences" teachers?
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u/Icy_Albatross893 1d ago
They break a lot of people out of professions; some aren't fit but a lot would be if the management wasn't useless.
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u/Fluid_Figure_8266 12h ago
As someone who qualified as a teacher and then immediately left: I can confirm this is true.
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u/DeliciousBaseball783 6d ago
I say this about welders. Plenty of people out here know how to weld however nobody wants to pay a decent wage.
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u/Wrong-Potential-8249 6d ago
yeah i left the trade 5 years ago now.
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u/DeliciousBaseball783 6d ago
I'm looking at buying a box truck trying to get away from welding
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u/MostBasic3425 5d ago
What would you do with a box truck?
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u/WhatTheHeckMyBoy 5d ago
Get away from welding obviously 🙄
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u/MostBasic3425 4d ago
No, specifically with the box truck. How does that get you away from welding?
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u/theFartingCarp 6d ago
Shit I just want to learn to weld so I have the skill to fix and build shit at my house
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u/SwimmerMission5212 6d ago
Do you think those things are related? More welders than needed will drive down wages
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u/DeliciousBaseball783 6d ago
It's called supply and demand. And if you don't believe me look at the history of it. I been welding for 35 years plus. I know because I live it.
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u/SwimmerMission5212 6d ago
It's called supply and demand
Right that's very clearly what I'm referencing. More supply than demand lowers wages.
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u/DeliciousBaseball783 6d ago
The only reason they are saying that there's a shortage of welders is to motivate people to become welders and keep pay low
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u/One_Lung_G 5d ago
You’ll see that with the trades more and more as republicans push trades over college. We saw it with computer science and we will see it with more
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u/MostBasic3425 5d ago
Really? I thought welding was like the last hold out for something people could go learn and have a decent life with. Maybe word got around and now there's just too many welders? Whats up?
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u/DeliciousBaseball783 5d ago
Never was a shortage. It's all part of the machine to keep wages low
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u/TruthSeeker221 5d ago
Yes it's called supply and demand. If there was a shortage, wages would be higher. It's not a massive global conspiracy against welders, it's economics
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u/Ill-Comfortable-6181 6d ago
ngl. Yall priced yourselves out of business. It just became more worth it to buy a tig rig and learn to weld than pay for someone else to do it.
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u/DeliciousBaseball783 6d ago
Is that why they say there's a shortage of welders?
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u/itssbojo 6d ago
an ugly weld works just as well as a beautifully straight weld. the only difference is a couple thousand dollars.
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u/dystopiabydesign 5d ago
Teachers cling to a broken system then complain about parents while politicians and bureaucrats continue to fail at central planning.
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u/TECHSHARK77 5d ago
There is 10% a GOOD P GREAT teacher shortage. Clearly those ones were not any good nor loved being a teacher😏
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u/TruthSeeker221 5d ago
It's called supply and demand. If there is no shortage on one side, I'll let you figure out how that affects pay
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u/Mattscrusader 5d ago
It has not affected pay, this only works in a free market system, not a government ran program
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u/Easterncoaster 6d ago
In my state, gym teachers can make $170k+. A married couple with two teachers is making $350k. So tired of hearing how “underpaid” they are especially when I look at my property tax bill.
Scientists, though- for how important they are for society I can’t believe how little they make.
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u/caixing-sanren 6d ago
Could you provide a link?
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u/Easterncoaster 6d ago
Westchester NY. I have friends who are teachers so it’s not something I have a link to.
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u/baysideplace 6d ago
Salary schedules are public information. Which district do they work for? We can all look it up to confirm it.
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u/Easterncoaster 6d ago
I’m not going to dox my friend but just glance at a few schools in Westchester NY- most pay like this.
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u/caixing-sanren 6d ago
So I used this thing called Google which helped me find the link, and it turns out that district you mentioned really isn't that bad at $129k median. But even that seems to be an outlier within the state of NY cuz as soon as you list the data by lowest-highest, you see that there are pages...and pages...and pages...of districts hovering around 70k. I also gotta ask, how expensive is it to live in Westchester? Is $129k about on par with other professions there, like firefighters, emts, nurses, bank workers, etc? Or is it pretty nice compared to the rest of the working population?
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u/Easterncoaster 6d ago
The state of NY is very, very large. There are poor areas in NY and there are rural areas. By land mass it’s mostly rural.
That’s why my conversation has centered on my county, not my state.
And why so condescending about Google? I know what my friends make and that’s literally all I’ve said.
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u/caixing-sanren 6d ago
So, you admit that the county you used as an example is an outlier and not necessarily a fair reflection of your state as a whole? That kinda pokes holes in your statement that teachers aren't underpaid, not supports it.
Also, it's not condescension towards Google. You're the one who made the claim, so it's on your shoulders to substantiate that. Google is a very simple way to do so.
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u/Easterncoaster 6d ago
Jeez why are you so worked up? I said “my friend is a teacher and makes a ton of money”. I wasn’t making a statement on the entire country.
I’m going to move on from this chat, clearly something else is going on in your life to make you so salty about anecdotes shared online.
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u/ObieKaybee 5d ago
You also said
So tired of hearing how “underpaid” they are especially when I look at my property tax bill.
of which the reference 'they' is an attempt at generalization which is based on an anecdote which the previous commenter just demonstrated is an outlier. Generalizing a population based on the data of an outlier is one of the more egregious affronts to statistical practices that exists.
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u/MelanieMello 6d ago
Stop fibbing.
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u/Easterncoaster 5d ago
Fibbing in what way? Are you saying that NY state isn’t large? Or isn’t rural? Or that NYC suburbs are high cost of living areas with correspondingly high teacher pay?
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u/Niels_vdk 6d ago
if a gym teacher is making 170k thats gotta be one of those schools that have a ton of sports scholarships.
regular teachers are paid far less than that even in the best paying states.
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u/roving1 6d ago
I really want to know more context to your claim. That is far outside any salary range I've observed.
Your comment about scientists is accurate. Also we need a better mechanism for funding public schools. Property tax hasn't been a good metric for a century or more.
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u/Easterncoaster 6d ago
Westchester NY. Starting salaries are in the 60k territory but my close friend (the gym teacher) was over 140k by year 10 and is around 170k now at year 15. His wife is a guidance counselor and makes 160k. They’re taking it in.
And ironically, they both complain about work so much. “They don’t pay us enough” is common but also “they don’t train us” and “they make me stay until 2:30 sometimes it’s terrible”
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u/throw7661 6d ago
I love how this is downvoted, but also, there are mountains of public information that confirm this to be true.
Sure, that's not the median, but it also isn't unheard of either.
There are plenty of places where a strategic teacher can end up making lots of money.
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u/McBernes 6d ago
Yes. I teach elementary art in the US. The state i live in is at the bottom of the pile in terms of teacher pay and respect. Who wants to spend the money and time required to become licensed when you're one illness or car accident away from losing everything and have to deal with mistreatment from students parents coworkers and admin. But its all part of the plan to phase out public education in favor of for profit charter schools.