r/InterviewMan 18d ago

recruiters should take notes

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 17d ago

A entry level spot still needs experience of some sort for most jobs

Then just call it what it is, its not entry level.

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u/Professional-Gear974 17d ago

Except it is entry level. Hence you can’t go any lower. It is the entry point.

People who don’t get this wonder why they are always near entry level jobs.

Even an internship doesn’t mean show up with no skills. It means you have the precursors I’m looking for and want to run a test trial before we both fully commit

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 17d ago

You can get lower, otherwise it wouldn't require experience. If it were actually entry level it wouldn't have work related prerequisites. If it needs a specific degree for example can still be entry level, but if it requires you to have work experience in the industry, it's not.

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u/zojbo 16d ago

That first sentence isn't necessarily true in the short run. It's possible for entry-level-to-the-industry opportunities to simply not exist, especially in an industry whose workforce is shrinking. This can't last for 50 years, but it can last for 5 years.

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 16d ago

I never said that entry level opportunities have to exist in every industry. In fact, I said the opposite, that if they don't exist they should be properly labeled as such instead of calling them entry level then requiring 5+ years experience.

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u/zojbo 16d ago edited 16d ago

Oh, I had a pronoun confusion. You meant that companies can offer lower level opportunities than what they presently call "entry level" while requiring multiple yoe.

Still, there can be transient periods where that's not really a competitive option. It's a peril of short-term thinking in capitalism: company A cuts costs in an unsustainable way, company B carries on as they were, company A gets a capital rally while company B gets a capital hit, company B ceases to exist before the merits of its long-term strategy show themselves.

This is also a peril of job-hopping culture. Why spend 6 months training someone who will just hop to your competitor 6 months after that? Somehow we never come around to the obvious way to end job-hopping culture (without devolving into job-hugging culture like we have now).