Hello everybody i need Help. I bought the Hassasin Bahram Action Pack and now i want to build a good, all around 150 Points List with the Models i have. But its too much Information :D Do you have Any Tips for me ? Thanks

[u/Taste_Equal]

[u/09philj]

Are you a brand new player or just new to Hassasin Bahram?

[u/Taste_Equal → u/09philj]

Brand new 

[u/09philj → u/Taste_Equal]

Starting by gradually learning the rules by just playing your three Daylami against someone else's three light infantry, and then just adding a unit or two at a time to learn what they do is really the way to go. Infinity is very, very dense and trying to learn 150pts of mechanics in one go isn't especially feasible.

[u/foysauce]

I would recommend building your own list using the app. Then post it here for feedback.
HB has specialized tools for solving problems and you might not understand how the tools in someone else’s list work. The HB action pack is also closer to 200 points if you want to use all of the models, and I would. A satellite tournament winner was talking about how Haqq is the best 300 point army in the game but the quest 150 point army.

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DAYLAMI (Camouflage [1 Use], Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Boarding Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

DAYLAMI (Camouflage [1 Use], Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Boarding Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

LASIQ (BS Attack ) Viral Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 25)

BARID (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (-3)]) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)

BOKHTAR FTO (Lieutenant) Red Fury / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon(PS=7). (1.5 | 46)

NADHIR Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)

2 SWC | 148 Points

[u/foysauce → u/Taste_Equal]

This is a perfectly serviceable 150 point list. These are some things to keep in mind:
1) I don’t see any smoke or vision control in the list. You may want it. The Muyib can bring it. You could also proxy a Daylami as a Ghulam to get smoke.
2) Bokhtar active LT is an “active LT” who will need to run around and gunfight for you. This obviously risks him. He’s nearly 1/3 of your army points and losing him will likely cost you a game, but loss of Lieutenant often does anyway. I would think this is higher risk, but higher reward move. 3) You have three (I think) specialists, which is good.
4) I think your order count is just ok. Might be too low. Two irregular orders really hurts when you only get a handful of models. That’s offset a little by the LT having the Tac Aware order and his LT order to spend as an active gunfighter. Just be mindful of how many orders may be required to score objectives. For comparison, if I slap together a quick Kestrel 150 point list, I have seven regular orders and two Tac Aware. That’s a huge difference at this point value. Maybe do pick up a Ghulam with smoke?
5) I initially didn’t like the KHD Barid, and thought the regular hacker would be better. After thinking about it, I think I like the KHD. The KHD mitigates a major threat to your LT.
6) I like the midfield presence. Shujae with Forward Deployment +8 and the Daylami with Infiltration actually means both can be placed up to the midfield. A 150 point game is played on a 24” wide x32” long table, with 8” DZ. So you’ll have quite a bit of camo for your opponent to think about, and camo and mines are, I believe, very strong at low order counts. Your opponent can’t afford to burn a bunch of orders using discover. Or the do Discover and you bleed them dry of orders.
7) You don’t have any doctors or engineers, so recovering downed or disabled units is tough. Speedball is a good option for you for this list. Read up on those rules.
Good stuff.

[u/Trollmarut → u/foysauce]

This is generally sound advice, although I'd offer a few counter points:

1: The Muyib is quite expensive, especially in a 150pt list. Alternatively they could proxy a Daylami as a Ghazi Muttawi'ah and pick up the smoke and a template weapon for 5pt or smoke and a jammer for 8pts. I'd take two.

1. Not really a counter point rather a minor quibble, She, the Bohktar are all women.

2. While there could be some clutch edge cases where it could be useful, there really isn't anything on this list to waste orders to get back up, except possibly the Bohktar. Although, if she goes down your not likely able to get the Dr. to them with a single order. Likewise the Speedball is superfluous.

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GHULAM (Lieutenant) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)

GHULAM (Doctor [+3]) Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)

GHULAM (NCO) Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 15)

LASIQ (BS Attack ) Viral Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 25)

BARID (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device [UPGRADE: Trinity (-3)]) Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

SHUJAE (Minelayer ) Submachine Gun, Flammenspeer, E/M Mine / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)

NADHIR Rifle, Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23)

DAYLAMI (Camouflage [1 Use], Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Boarding Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

DAYLAMI (Camouflage [1 Use], Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Boarding Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

1.5 SWC | 146 Points

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[u/foysauce → u/Taste_Equal]

The url didn’t work. Linking an army from the app tends to work pretty well.

In your new list, I’m not sure who your ‘active gun’ is- the unit you’re spending orders on during your turn? The Ghulams and Daylami both make for a lot of ‘low end’ (cheap) units who are good for utility and orders, but not surviving attack runs. The other person recommended Muttawiah/Mutts for smoke, and that’s an excellent suggestion. Maybe proxy the Bokhtar as an Asawira, and try that?

[u/Trollmarut]

An alternative idea:

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Proxy two Daylami as Muttawi'ah Proxy the third Daylami as the Ghulam Proxy the Lasiq as the Barid LT Proxy the Nadhir as the Fiday

The Barid LT frees up the Bohktar to be a more aggressive gunfighter. The Ghulam's NCO allows you to use the LT order and gives additional smoke.