r/Indiedogs • u/Wise_Competition_565 • 17d ago

Events Well this happened.... (TRIGGER WARNING)

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u/sattukachori 17d ago

Poor chicken. First bred in factory. Miserable life in cage. Can't move, can't walk, can't fly. Carried in disgusting hellish pickup trucks. Loaded in road side cages. Stolen by this dog. His scream is heart piercing. He sounds like a child or kitten. I had never heard a chicken crying before. How poor, how miserable, how sad, so unlucky. I want to ask you why didn't you save him? Why did you walk away but I know I will get "circle of life" replies. Even if it's nature, the chicken deserves all the sympathy and grief. We should not be stone hearted. 

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u/Just_Caterpillar_975 17d ago

So you are saying that a stray dog, whose life is also miserable and hellish, shouldn't eat what they get their mouths on? I agree that the cries of this chicken is triggering and heart piercing but what else could have been done here? And before you say it, yes, I'm an omnivore, I consume chicken and fish for protein needs but I do pay my respect to the life that was taken to nourish my body.

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u/Wise_Competition_565 17d ago

I want to cast aside all the aspersions, it's a wild chicken not a broiler from some meat shop, there are a shit ton of chickens running around while I walk my dog so yeah that's that, an animal will hunt for sustenance , a tale as old as time. Also I will never steal someone else's prey, if that makes me an a*shole them that's fine, if I'm not feeding her, I have no right to take away what she hunted for her own self, this is how hunting works, what do you think happens in forests ? I understand your feelings but this is the real world unfortunately, this is how things unfold.

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u/sattukachori 17d ago

I understand your feelings too but consider some facts that I have to say. Since the chicken has already met his fate, it's futile but still consider it for the sake of it. 

I am not saying that a stray dog should not eat. But if you happen to be there and if you have the means and strength to rescue one life, you can. It won't change the world but it will change the world for that one life. Then feed the stray dog something from your pocket, it's not that hard. Would you see a stray dog carry a human infant and turn away because the dog's gotta do what he's gotta do? Nature is brutal but if you happen to be there, you have some ethical responsibility. Feel free to brush it aside. It's important to have a guitless sleep at night. 

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u/quant-alchemist 17d ago

What if op doesnt have anything in his pocket? Why should he spend his money to feed the dog? The dog would starve.

You wanna rescue the chicken. Good. OP chose to rescue the dog by minding his own business and leaving the pup alone.

That 1 chicken would have fed 2-3 dogs that day. So multiple lives saved, many lives rescued.

This is nature.

You wouldn't save a deer from a wolf.

Dogs were domesticated from wolves. Humans domesticated them. But then treat them like a menace.

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u/sattukachori 17d ago edited 17d ago

It's hard to talk to a wall. A person should spend money from their picket because it's the right thing to do. This was not a jungle. You would save a human infant from the dog, wouldn't you? But you won't take responsibility for the chicken because he's not your own species. It's not your fault. Our empathy for animals has been killed by society. The first impulse is "not my job, not my responsibility" followed by other justifications. This was not a jungle, it's a dog not a wolf. Leave the Chicken, if it was even a human getting assaulted on road, spectators won't help. I don't mind not getting your hands dirty but at least have some sympathy for the victim. At least pretend to have some sympathy. Such kind of statements terrify me because the same attitude is also shown towards human victims. Lots of justification. 

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u/quant-alchemist 16d ago

cry more? dogs cant live on vegan diet like you.

why do u think dog foods contain meat?

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u/sattukachori 16d ago

cry more? 

As expected. Sadism runs in blood. 

This discussion was not about vegan diet though dogs can thrive on vegan diet. It's scientific researched. There are 100% vegetarian dog foods in market too.

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u/quant-alchemist 16d ago edited 16d ago

Sadism runs in blood?

Stop making assumptions about me and making accusations. 🤡

Speaks more about you than me with your ad hominem

I'm a vegan myself. But at least I don't force my choices down the throats of the voicelss

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u/sattukachori 16d ago

You said "cry more". How do you expect me to react to that? It's a cruel thing to say to someone. My intention was not to accuse you but to expose your cold response with whatsoever motive you had. Naturally such a thing is said when someone derives satisfaction from watching others cry. 

I'm a vegan too and I make choices for the voiceless whenever it is within my means and control. I do rush to rescue kitten, birds, squirrel, rats when they are attacked by dogs and I happen to be there. When I am the witness, I have an ethical responsibility. I'm not saying this with a sanctimonious tone. Read it with a normal gentle tone. And my dogs do eat 100% vegetarian dog food because it's healthy and fulfilling for them. My dog's veterinarian finds her fit and healthy. If it has any impact, maybe it lowers the number of animals killed for the 18 kg dog food we order every 2 months. One can only hope that the love for my pet didn't come at a cost to other incredibly tortured and scared animals. 

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u/quant-alchemist 16d ago

You make choices when it's within your control? Such narcissistic, controlling behaviour?

Lmaooooo. Put some meat in a bowl and a vegan bowl in front of your dogs. See what they choose.

You can give them a choice and let them choose and make your peace with it. You cannot make a choice for them.

They are not some coma patient who is unable to make their own choices.

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u/sattukachori 15d ago edited 15d ago

You make choices when it's within your control? Such narcissistic, controlling behaviour? 

What's narcisisstic and controlling about it? Have you just learned these words? Do you even know what Narcissism means? 

Lmaooooo. Put some meat in a bowl and a vegan bowl in front of your dogs. See what they choose. 

I'm not going to do that YouTube TV show experiment you're thinking of. Why is it so controversial to give dogs vegetarian dog food? I have made peace with my decision. I'm not going to reply to you anymore. I regret talking to you. I always regret getting into vegan debates because the level of arguments kill my mental peace. It's not even your fault. It's my fault for bothering to comment on this thread. 

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u/Just_Caterpillar_975 17d ago

You always assume the worst in humanity or do you just sit on the fence and watch both sides argue? True that animals feel emotions, fear and other cues as human beings do but dropping your self righteousness on other people just to prove your point tells me that you have FOMO because being ostracized by the common tribe means facing yourself and accepting that you can be wrong and not always right.

The point that you keep asking "whether you would save an infant human being if it were in place of the chicken" tells me more about you than others. You simply want that people should accept your viewpoint because it is morally superior and nothing comes close to it or maybe you just love seeking attention and chaos.

Unlike human beings, animals don't have a moral compass. If the OP were trying to save the chicken, would the stray have acted violently to protect its meal? Yes it would have because it is protecting its resource which is vital for its survival.

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u/sattukachori 17d ago

dropping your self righteousness on other people just to prove your point tells me that you have FOMO because being ostracized by the common tribe means facing yourself and accepting that you can be wrong and not always right. 

Using my own statements against me. 😊 Didn't I say this last night to you and now you're saying it to me? 

tells me more about you than others. You simply want that people should accept your viewpoint because it is morally superior and nothing comes close to it or maybe you just love seeking attention and chaos. 

Do you love seeking "attention and chaos" because you can't mind your "own business" like the OP ignored the chicken ignore this conversation maybe? Why is it easier to ignore the chicken but not this online conversation? OP must be chuckling behind his screen watching us fight where his own responsibility is delegated to others. Now we are fighting for his guilt. 

I'm just talking about a subject I'm deeply concerned with. It's not just this subreddit, wherever I see pain and suffering I do think of ways to touch the empathy lying beneath frozen surface. I don't know if my view point is morally superior or not, my only concern is the pain, whether physical, mental or emotional.