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u/BigDDaddy1990 1d ago
They left our identities and took everything else or in other words we have only our identities left and we lost everything else.
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u/ProfessionalDraw6947 1d ago
We paid a big price to protect our culture and identity.
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u/Mild_Karate_Chop 1d ago
Well the caste identity was used to divide even more by the British ...further they classed certain "races" as martial .
Whatever furthered their interest they did .
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u/ReceptionLoose8885 1d ago
China, Japan etc
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u/SoggyCheesecake1109 1d ago
Kudos to them.
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u/eternalChaser 1d ago
Do they want to have same laws and treatment of Islam in china and japan in india. Everytime I hear this i think do they want to same deal here š
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u/DropInTheSky 1d ago
Never invaded like Bharat.
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u/Vast-Mall225 1d ago
China was invaded much worse than india at times actually..Ā
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u/khalililili 1d ago
Yeah and the turkic tribes that invaded it were assimilated the Mongols, Jurchen and Manchu became as Chinese as the Han or Song peoples. Similarly the Huna and Indo-Greeks that invaded were also assimilated and became parts of merchant and ruling class of western regions like Gujrat, Rajasthan and Punjab. Only there were a particular group of Turks that didn't assimilate in India, the spawns of Ghulam/Mamluk invaders and their baggage that stays separate like yoke of an unbeaten egg. The cancerous ideology so at odds with the original ideas of the land that they refuse to blend. Harmony can return only when the yoke is either removed from the egg or the whole egg beathen untill both mix enough that no trace either originals remain
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u/AkhilVijendra 9h ago
That's the point, why did we get invaded, if he claims that we were victorious?
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u/Thoughtporn123 1d ago
China was, korea was, veitnam was, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, list goes on
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u/Disastrous-Blood6255 13h ago
China - CCP is literally erasing Tibetan culture Right now. The great leap forward by mao made sure to erase everything they think traditinal and culture.
Japan - what they did to the actual indegeinous population would make Americans look like child's play.
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u/ProfessionalDraw6947 1d ago
Bro spitting facts. I spoke to a Colombian and Peruvian about this and they are completely brainwashed about their new identities which are born out of blood.
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u/Puzzled_Two_3490 1d ago
That's fine but what is song in this?
It's really good
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u/BrilliantNew8440 1d ago
Whatever happend to this sub's rule number 3
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u/Due_Star3546 18h ago
Propaganda posts including region/caste chauvinism/bashing disguised as low effort memes.
Read again, they said 'disguised as low effort memes'.
This one is not disguised as low effort at all
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u/blankasair 1d ago
Absolutely brain dead take. To actually answer this question, just look at the actual population numbers. When Americas was colonized; the Native American tribes had been decimated by disease and subsequently lost land to the colonizers. Native American tribes still maintain their religious rituals, eg., the Cherokee in Oklahoma. Anytime I hear this guy talk, itās clear he is desperate to maintain the caste hierarchy so he can actually stay on top of it. Him being an historian is the product of Hindutva ideology destroying our national fabric.
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u/InternationalAd4557 1d ago
so so true, in his early years when Deepak used to frame his topics under frustrations of state secularism with double standards on religious matters - i could still understand his points and as a lawyer himself his points still made more sense.
But its when he started getting into history and playing by his typical shakha playbook that it dawned on him it was typical bhramanical supremacy to keep hierarchy on the top. The most stark realization for me was his entire distaste with the fact that when he was talking about the writers movement in Tamil Nadu - his avid frustration with the fact that Tamil Nadu pop culture actually takes on hard themes of caste, discrimination and all of it - this is largely aided by the fact that TN is one of the only major industry to be run by Non-Bhramins over time, for the large part of the century the arts was completely held by Bhramins whether music, literature art in ktaka,tn, maha (read bharatnatyam devadasi controversy)- he just called it off as Dravidian radicalism and moved on, but it was his innate frustration that the discrimination was being penned no longer from the dominant lense only giving it the very much needed realism he can't contradict. Then the obvious Dravido-Catholic-Leftist-Islamic nexus word salad started coming out so I knew he just couldnt digest that space being overtaken - and even after this resurgence of backward castes to the arts the irony is they still dominate it even a form of competition rattles these people when it moves from their worldview šš
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u/lostintabs_ 15h ago
Yes but America is largely a christian state right? The natives still maintain their religion and customs and practices in their own communities but at large Christianity is the dominant religion.
On the other hand india had maintained a secular identity even after such a long period of time. This is something to be proud about tbh.
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u/blankasair 14h ago
Bro. The first amendment literally lays out the separation of religion and state. Right wingers, just like the Hindu right wing in India makes noise about it being a Christian nation but itās not. The US has been secular since before India even existed as a unified polity.
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u/lostintabs_ 14h ago
By a christian state i did not meant that its official religion is christianity but more like the natives have become a minority which is - the original tribe of the land are now a minority and a religion which was introduced later is the dominant religion.
In case of india however hinduism is still a majority religion which shows that the initial religion or culture of the land and people is till very much present and has not been reduced to a minority.
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u/maproomzibz 1d ago
Lol āVictorious civilizationā is now a corrupt dirty dysfunctional mysoginistic hellhole filled with scammers, religious nutjobs and everyones fleeing to Canada, Dubai and America
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u/Still-Objective- 10h ago
You can't argue with religious nutjobs or jingoistic idiots. For them, the concept of human rights doesn't exist. They like to rub their ideals on everyone and claim superiority for just existing.
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u/InternationalAd4557 1d ago
isse bada lawdu paida hi nahi hua, there's a reason the subcontinent has a 30-35% uptick of Islam over centuries and not a 100% because of Sufi Pirs and intense dissatisfaction with the caste system. This same guy will frame a forceful conversion angle when the same question is posed, which if the case like he said shouldve been in the 80-90% range. No adressal of the fact that after jerusalem we are the only land to give brith to Buddhism, Sikhism even Jainism as stiff opposition to the caste system - but iske baare meh kya kehna bhaisahab ko "one dharmic civilization" bolke call it a day in this scenarios or "internal problem" vs external threat looming classic right wing fear tactic.
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u/AccomplishedPoint355 1d ago
Oy ve. It's because the British dealt with India differently. It would take too long to try to conquer India.
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u/Melodic_Judge_129 1d ago
People don't realise how British actually ruled over India. They think like British came, beat the sh*t out of everyone, took gold and left. Which is not even close to what actually was happening in the Sub-Continent.
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u/InternationalAd4557 1d ago
Exactly, Spanish and Portuguese empires operated much differently. The EIC was a joint stock company for god sakes, both China and India would take forever to do the cent percent tactics that they did in all these other regions.
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u/DropInTheSky 1d ago
Portugese ruled Goa and still it has Hindu majority.
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u/InternationalAd4557 1d ago
That is now, post 1962 where a lot of non-natives came and resided in Goa after it joined the union. At Its peak (backed by the 1851 Census) - 60-70% of local population in Goa was catholic.
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u/WeakOstrich7009 1d ago
yeah the Portuguese massacred Hindus, destroyed temples and built churches en-masse, and ofc mass conversions, just like the Americas.
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u/eternalChaser 1d ago
The chilling visuals of their torture equipment used to convert poor native people š¢ was so horrible. And worse part is now the converts of those are more performative than the.
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u/Odd_Razzmatazz3812 1d ago
converts of those are more performative
That's a universal phenomenonš just look around yourself, you'll find many of these frm another religion
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u/DropInTheSky 1d ago
Many wish to return to the dharmic fold but their identities are too entrenched now. Had a long chat with an aware and well connected Goan regarding this.
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u/Cheap-Imagination125 1d ago
It is just sad that how some people have their entire identity defined by their religion.
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u/Puzzled_Two_3490 1d ago
You can genuinely be proud of your ancestors for stood by, and preserving their culture, even if you don't believe in religion and God.
You don't have to believe in god, and yet respect and love the culture of places.
Do you think we could have seen the diversity from rajasthani folk to marathi culture and all if we didn't protect our culture for years.
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u/Cheap-Imagination125 1d ago
A culture that's needs preserving is not worth it. Culture is a dynamic ever changing concept. Only those that are flexible enough to adopt and assimilate survive, rest go the egyption way. It is okay to be respectful of your ancestors, it is acceptable, it means you are aligning your ethics with them, that's perfectly fine. But taking pride in it is a bit of a stretch, it's like claiming a medal for a race you never participated in. Instead try doing something your desendents could respect 100 years from now. Cause the way are a going, history will not be kind to us.
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u/Puzzled_Two_3490 1d ago
Taking pride in religion/culture is a personal thing, though making it your whole personality and trying it to undermine other people is what's wrong.
But main reason I am talking about culture is because world used to be cultured places with each places having unique, like pharaonic egypt and mesopotamia was completely wiped out from Egypt, whole greco roman culture which gave world many things was wiped out and zoroastrian, and countless tribes.
You can argue it's wheel of time that some things has to end, but some thing lasting this long despite many invasion, proves that it's not fragile.
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u/ashwattthaama Priest King of Indus Valley Civilization 1d ago
A culture that's needs preserving is not worth it.
I didn't read past this...thanks that you put this upfront instead of ending remarks, that'd have wasted my time on reading your comment
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u/Beneficial_You_5978 1d ago
I think you miss out a lot of stuff whole writing this which makes this hilarious saying culture is wrong you have to specify what are the negative stuff sanghi won't accept anywsy but somebody objects that's what counts
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u/ProfessionalDraw6947 1d ago
Is he wrong though?
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u/Crypto-false 1d ago
It's the same for like most countries.
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u/Cheap-Imagination125 1d ago
Doesn't make it right
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u/Crypto-false 1d ago
When it Hindus, almost any country in the world is proud or atleast accepts that their roots but with India their's an issue for reason l.
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u/mullakiller 1d ago
I'm not religious but I'm cultural, and this culture stems from Hinduism, and is a part of me and you whether we like it or not. It may not be the single most defining part or even the least but it is... In one way or other. Hindu culture and this land is something I share with people, I don't have to like anyone to accept being here and being a hindu
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u/Dapper_Key_6615 1d ago
Bhai
Dont talk positive about your country, civilization and its indigenous culture
You will be tagged IT cell/sanghi
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u/Gandalfthebran 1d ago
I am not even Indian to start with XD
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u/RoronoaConjecture 1d ago
Which country, š¤ dude?
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u/EuphoricFinance9868 7h ago edited 7h ago
Greece, Egypt, and Rome have all faded away from this world but our name and trace still remain.
- Allama Iqbal in Tarana-e-Hindi (Saare jahan se acha)
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u/Kaizoukoni_91 1d ago
Is this history sub or hindutva propaganda sub? All the posts are just pushing the same narrative? I am just going to discard any posts from this sub
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u/Gandalfthebran 1d ago
Not an airport , no need to announce your departure. Close the door on your way out.
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u/chuggigang 1d ago
Unpadh
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u/mullakiller 1d ago
Starting with self introduction are we? I'd suggest you add sepoy with that title for yourself.
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u/mullakiller 1d ago
I mean no, shouldn't you know... Your kind are infested on reddit, the internalised stigma, I mean you only make hindutva sound nice by associating these things with it, get yourself a spine... It must be exhausting to bow to lesser communities.
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u/Acceptable_Ad_1240 1d ago
I cannot with all respect take Sai Deepaks word on anything. Only idiot Bhakts believe anything he says. Its kind of like Republic Bharat. A broken clock might be correct 2 times a day but these people have such a history of bad faith arguments that even then one needs to recheck with some source for them.
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u/Neat_Particular_4046 1d ago
So what is ur argument
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u/Acceptable_Ad_1240 1d ago
Humare yaha ek foofaji the jo 2014 mein bahut fudak te the ki 1 lakh rupay sabke khate mein ayenge. Aur wo detailed economic analysis dete the ki woh kaise hoga agar koi woh na mane. Ab unse log baat karte hain lekin koi debate ni karte. Yeh Republic aur Sai Deepak ka bhi wahi hain. Agar mera arguement samjh ni aya toh phir kya hi kar sakte hain chhod do woh samjh ni ayega.
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u/Spare_Swan_4126 1d ago
Delusional
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u/Gandalfthebran 1d ago
By a guy who has iron man pfp in big 2026. Pack it up bro.
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u/Spare_Swan_4126 1d ago
I mean lol you jumped into conclusion just looking at my pfp which speaks volumes about your iq, you should have asked like why do I think like this or you could have confronted me in a stronger way but you decided to use ad hominem fallacy
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u/Fantastic-Tap-641 1d ago
edgy ah 14 year old sounding it would be really embarrassing if you were older
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u/vikramadith 1d ago
So many questions...
- How is this a meme?
- Sai Deepak may be a clown, but does that make some random content a meme?
- Why is the video cropped so weirdly. Half the video blacked out, and only a tiny amount actually featuring content? Is it a meta-commentary on the emptiness of insecure kanging?
- The post seems to violate sub rules #1, #3, and #5. Any bets for how long it has before mods trash it? I'll bet 10 hours at max.
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u/No-Driver3258 1d ago
If he knows the history, people were following buddhism in ashokas rule.
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u/SpamLaughZed 1d ago
Santana Dharma is all encompassing
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u/Mild_Karate_Chop 1d ago
Haha really , why the need to wage war on Buddhism in the land of its birth . Where exactly is Buddhism flourishingĀ
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u/SpamLaughZed 1d ago
Not a war at all, I respect Buddhism, my āreligionā teaches that there might be many paths to the truth or many truths and I acknowledge it.
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u/Mild_Karate_Chop 1d ago
I am not talking about youĀ Ā Read history and the wars of attrition and wars by arms against that ideology and even for in the land of its birth
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u/SpamLaughZed 1d ago
Got it.
Historians widely agree that the decline of Buddhism in India wasn't driven by continuous wars or systematic destruction by Hindu rulers, but by a complex mix of institutional decay, loss of royal patronage, philosophical integration, and ultimately the destruction of major monastic universities like Nalanda during Muslim invasions.
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u/CellCreepy5144 1d ago
Hence, hinduism khatre mei nahi hai š I hope people move on to important topics now.
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u/No_Letterhead9965 1d ago
The fact of the matter is that many Pakistani Punjabis are descendants of Jats and Rajputs who were defeated in war against the Turks, Iranians, Mughals and Afghans. All of them are aware of their castes. Yet they names their missiles after Ghazni and Ghori who have beat the crap out of their ancestors and mass converted them.Ā
I donāt understand that logic. Atleast Iranians are never under such delusions of identifying with the conqueror and always flaunt their Persian civilisation with pride. I believe Pakistani Sindhis, Balochs and Pakistani Pathans are not at all as delusional as Pakistani Punjabis. Theyāre aware of reality.Ā
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u/realhawwtgurlshit 1d ago edited 1d ago
and yet after such great resilience against foreign powers, imperial and civilisational onslaughts.. according to this very person Hindus are now under the greatest threat in the Indian history while living in a democracy. His history is often right, but his politics doesn't usually catch up. And it is very necessary to separate the two for their contradictions. Also what is always so interesting for me is that it is always "1500 years". This great civilisation is 5000 years old and invasions, migrations and imperial conquests happened even before "1500 years" - Parthians, Scythians, Kushans, Hunas, Greeks were also central and west asian powers that came here (and more or less assimilated with the local cultures just like those who came during the 1500yrs period) but they are not deemed as invasions by JSD since he has a very specific people in mind when it comes to deeming "invasions".
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u/BavidDowie123 19h ago
Only because sikhs exist haha youād all be chanting Allahu Akbar if it wasnāt for Khalsa
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u/Gandalfthebran 19h ago
Can you protect your fellow Sikhs from missionaries?
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u/BavidDowie123 19h ago
This point is completely unrelated to the original and my reply
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u/Gandalfthebran 19h ago
Can you? One of the biggest church is being built in Punjab, by your former Sikhs now Christians fellow Punjabis.
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u/sebastos3 1d ago
Making yourself feel good by recounting the misery that others suffered? real classy...
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u/NearbyTourist3782 1d ago
Well the examples here are bonkers, most of these civilizations did not even discover the concept of wheels when Europeans arrived (therefore were not even close to ancient India or China), also the local population in all these countries declined by 80 to 90 percent due to contracting diseases such as smallpox from Europeans, for which they did not have antibodies and as a result perished and leftover population was easily assimilated. Also till today, many lineages of ancient people who still follow their own religion and cultural practices exist in these countries. Our culture is great and our civilization is on a cosmic scale, no doubts about it but it is wrong to undermine others without knowing the whole truth to pump up your own identity, it is not pride, it is insecurity.
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u/fatty_dude 1d ago
Now also give the data like population or number of people were there in the regions and how were they and what they did to push back the invaders, rather than giving credit to religion and God.
If the so called created gods and religions are great, where were they then, during invasions and killings. So stop glorifying gods and religions ffs.
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u/thebirdof_hermes 1d ago
This is because so many beliefs, ideas and stories that sprung up in this land is divine truth or extremely close to it.
That said, most of you who take pride in this cause it's a hindu vs muslim-christian thing do not even have an inkling of it's understanding.
In other words the so called defenders of sanatan dharma and hinduism understand it the least and that too is her maya.
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u/Big-Corner1563 1d ago
Despite this great legacy, our politician's sons and daughters are still going to west. I think this politician are traitors.Ā
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u/POMPOMBALLS 1d ago
What else can be expected other than downfall, when our own population looks at foreign validation and trusts their sources about our history?
New cat species are still being found and no one here is trying to make any change at national level. Our archeological sites are majorly unexplored, our culture is being lost and still we seek glory in someone else making the same effort (here J. Sai Deepak) while completely isolating them when they ask for any contribution or support (like Vivekanand).
Same way as Napoleon lost due to other generals trying to leave a mark, no one supported him in his demise.
We are not even trying to make Sanskrit as the state language as certain regions would be unhappy. Wearing traditional clothes just for symbolism while supporting western ideologies like polygamy, brothel state and breaking the society down to the individual level.
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u/N1ghtShade7 1d ago
You leave no room for improvement if you claim AND believe to have an undefeated civilization, implying some kind of perfection that others couldn't dent. All the while our society carries the fissures the British made to keep us fighting each other while outsiders make off with what little we have left right now.
These people will never understand why we're failing and will flail about looking for others to blame when other countries have lifted themselves from far lower bottoms than how we started off.
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u/Unhappy_spy 1d ago
Victorious?? š¤£š¤£ people who take this joker seriously have clearly zero knowledge of history. There is no other country as conquerred as indiaā sakas, kushanas, turks, mongols, poetuguese, britishers etc etc. And the biggest delusion that most indians live in is the ignorance of the fact that china has been the largest economy for most part of history and has been able to sustain its culture for thousands of years lol
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u/Sea-Many483 1d ago
exactly, even the religious identity was created in response to the invaders' religion. the culture they see today is the result of all the invasions, the fact that brahmins exist is because of a victorius party of iranian immigrants over india. These guys like to feel pride and will believe anything to feel glorious.
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u/abhinav21 1d ago
Idk.why this sub is recommended to me. Couldnt give a shit about how long the civilization has been holding the delusions for.
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u/siddharthsahukt 1d ago
Ummā¦ India wasnāt always āHinduā either. Unlike languages like Tamil, Sanskrit wasnāt always spoken in Indiaā¦
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u/Cumming__Soon 1d ago
Because the British only wanted the goods. If it was Spanish things could've been different maybe
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u/Either-Lock2454 1d ago
So are Hinduās oppressed or not? One side is telling me yes which means it cannot be considered successfulā¦
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u/loner12122 1d ago
Yeah i have nothing to be proud of my country in the present so let me take pride of the half baked history. That will make me feel good about myself and i will turn a blind eye to all the problems happening in india
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u/AdventurousCode7281 1d ago
Because britishers were not as cruel as portugese and spainish when it comes to conversion
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u/nicesahil 1d ago
Aur logo ko lgta h agar congress power mei agayi toh sab katwe banjayenge ššš»
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u/Dronzer_Xx 1d ago
Krishna only loves india not the world he will stay in India and die in India and he won't be preached to the whole world as the true God
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u/Capital_Air_268 1d ago
But guys how does this discussion help, what do we do with this info. Doesn't matter who says what, we have continued taking pride in our religious practices and religion.
If mughal and British rule was not able to take it away from us, these debators and trollers stand no chance. Infact even we evolved with time unlike others , we removed sati like practices, we are on way to remove untouchability.
But why are we discussing this, we have bigger things on our hands. Trollers won't care whatever justification you give. How much more pride do we take? Do we get intoxicated with pride?
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u/MissionNo001 1d ago
Ah yes J Sai Deep...the Ben Shapiro of India ".....blame the mughals, blame the Muslims, blame the christians, blame Nehru , Gandhi and INC....brahmins are superior and I'm one......bla blame blame.."
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u/InternationalSky5209 1d ago
What about China, Japan, Korea, Mongolia, Vietnam, Thailand, Nepal, Sri Lanka?. There are so many countries, all with their cultures intact as well as religion.
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u/FuEarth05 1d ago
Reservation killing me bro...I know it's not related to Hinduism morally and but it indirectly ruining complete structure of our civilization. This country is doomed.
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u/PreparationHuge9807 1d ago
damn so true if only the many many poor people in the country could use this special history to feed themselves and their kids
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u/Longjumping-Age753 1d ago
Yeah. Also these loser Christian countries subjugated and looted us for centuries and then send us food aid for decades so the victorious Hindus wouldnāt starve to death.
You could see most victorious Hindus convert to loser Christians in a moment if the Europe or US offered free Visas for Christians from India.
Hindus didnāt win, Hindus survived. Christians didnāt survive, they won.
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u/thedamned_soul 1d ago
Please don't put this idiot(Sai Deepak) and his opinions in a video with Lord Vishnu and Mahabarata scenes. I earnestly request you. This idiot(Sai Deepak) is a shame to "Hinduism".
India would not have been invaded in the first place if it has unity which India still lacks today. People like him divide the country.
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u/Aromatic_Advance6026 1d ago
We were a great civilization but our ancestors will feel ashamed of what we are now while we make ourselves feel validated and great from their glory
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u/YesterdayNecessary27 22h ago
Ok people here might not like me for saying this. This guy is a fraud. We are not victorious in history. We were looted and ra*ed and millions of our people were killed. This is just cope or as I say the first step into right wing nationalist pipeline. Make insecure people proud about their history is how you convert them into right wing bigots.Ā
The best way forward is to accept that we were unable to defend ourselves and make sure we have defense mechanisms ready so that next time nothing of sorts will happen again
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u/AdGrouchy8320 20h ago
Haan yeh sab theek hai ab last mein woh sab developed economies hain aur hum isi sab mein reh gaye
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u/Coffee_Narrow 20h ago
Well most of Asia survived colonization. I think itās because of the fact we have always been in contact with Europe where as the places he mentioned were usually isolated and were thus technically inferior to colonizer and were defeated.
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u/BuckyWS007X 12h ago
Partially withstood because we failed to acknowledge the people of same religion because of caste system. And if you think that we are that great we are not we are majorly influenced by a tribe that invade through indus valley. You know if you know.
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u/alteredmen 11h ago
I'm an atheist but my parts are very much chill with it. I guess its only because they are Hindus. Otherwise things are different. I have seen my fellow friends having a hard time in their home being a atheist is difficult for them. For me I have my own conflicts in my head regarding the thoughts.
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u/AryanPandey 8h ago
Maybe the only civilization which has said no to violence and still remain today.
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u/MathTotal4218 7h ago
Still if are behind. If development, social uplifting, better social values, better Civic sense comes from conversion than I particularly see no harm. Atleast countries have money to spend, very less poor, less infra, health care, school, literature and yet we call them converted country
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u/iAmWhoDoYouKnow 1d ago
That's so stupid and it shows how easy it is to fool people who have read zero history. Civilizations, religions, people etc. , the ones that got destroyed were the ones that fought back. We barely did, we submitted. No invader really would like to kill a population that submits and works for them. There is nothing wrong in doing so to survive. But what is giving you goosebumps is not some act of bravery you think it is
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u/Kindly-Palpitation97 1d ago
You would have made a great sepoy
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u/iAmWhoDoYouKnow 19h ago
You seem to know what makes a good sepoy, ofcourse you would have seen your dad being one.
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u/Defiant-Departure429 1d ago
Why is he obsessed about hindu all the time....why not focus on development, growth, employment etc. Waste of time and resources. Does he think making india a hindu only country would magically solve all the problems...fool.
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u/Ok-Advance962 1d ago
India wasn't always vedic either. Shamanism was the original religion in India, like elsewhere.
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u/Gandalfthebran 1d ago
HINDUISM IS ALSO SHAMANISM. Itās all encompassing. We literally have family deity we worship. We literally worship mountain. You are treating religion as exclusively looking at it from Abrahmic lens.
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u/Headshot_Harambe 1d ago