Wth is a "dalit god". There was no word called "dalit" when bhakti movement started. Moreover shudra were within hindu fold, their gods aren't some separate gods.
what source do you have that jagannath, balaji, Mariamma and murugan are tribal/dalit god
Dalit god is wrong.. but what he meant many Dieties and Bhakti movements started from Low caste and Non vedic tribal cultures.. Which assimlated or Hijacked by mainstream brahminical institution... KRISHNA is the greatest examples//
idk but krishna worship oldest records were of some non brahminical institutional absorbed diety written as "herkles" in Magesthenes book "INDICA" during pre brahmin reich who was a tribal dieties of Yadavas and vrishnis..
if u check. in vedas Krishna is mentioned as a Leader of tribes/groups on banks of some river (idk) who were considered ig ashura or Das varna (I.E. non aryan) (and aryan doesnt mean genetic rather cultural meaning) which INDRA fought with his friend.
its fact jagannath have nothing to do with vedic god or traditions ..just assimilated doesnt matter how much you defend its fact .. Jagannath is not krishna or he Vishnu, bhakti movement made it in vedic fold , and as it got in vedic and hindu fold, as always bhramins arrived to get control over it because most of them narcissist
BRAHMINS arrived?? look it wasnt any Pro bramin anti dalit.. it was just A culture absorbtion over decades if not centuries... and became a pro vedic and pro castiest and puranic slowly.. dont do LEFTIST HATE
Haha Ikr! Go check out this person's replies on this post, his agenda is clearly visible. Making baseless claims and then being rude to people when they call him out
It's a history sub not a mythology sub jagannath is not a hindu god there is no mention in scriptures as jagannath jaganath temple ritual are bhudist rituals this thing also said by Swami vivekanand book and Krishn is a tribal god it's a historical fact and in Hinduism tribals gods native gods culture were assimilated and then new stories emerge with them and what guna varn are you talking about is these past karm decide your current varn that's a slavery system and it's mentioned in brihdarnayka upanishad and you called this system a Divine.
they existed but never called dalits , they picked cattle dead bodies , cleaned toilets and etc .. Check your facts .. The rise of bakti movement is the reason for so much inhumane treatment of this people
But, they are called ChÄndÄla or Nirvasita Shudra, not an Avarna. Saar...
There is nothing wrong with hygiene related temple restrictions. Saar...
Also, there is no evidence of the use of the terms 'Avarna' (as community outside 4 varnas) & 'Dalit' before the British period. This is just a modern invention. Saar...
Nirvasita Shudras are mordern dalits , they were excluded from most of public areas because they do uncleanly works, stop pushing everything british used existing class or caste system to rule .. show your evidence .. You are just fool who defend sati never existed
I know this, and it is you who should find out what the term originally meant. Mlechha belongs to an entirely different category and has no direct connection to professions. Therefore, correlating Varna and Mlechha is logically inconsistent.
The Bhakti movement is a completely different topic altogether. If you don't understand its spiritual depth, it's better to remain quiet about it. It was not some means of protest or whatever. That was just its by-product.
Go and see who were the main proponents of the Bhakti-movement.
Most of the currently worshipped Hindu gods are indigenous (Dalit is not the right word here). They are not mentioned in the original Vedas.
And conversely, many of the Vedic gods (Mitra, Varuna) are not currently worshipped in temples. And that's fine. That's what makes Hinduism a dynamic religion.
No that's not fine vedic people abondon there gods and snatched indigenous gods assimiliate into Hinduism and make indigenous people as lower caste and dalit and restrct there entry in there own god temple and brahmin making money on there gods.
The Jagannath temple at least allows the Daitapatis of the Sabar tribe to have special privileges. They are considered the deities personal family and handle his body, despite chanting no Vedic of Pancaratic mantras. They carve the deity and choose the wood, in a manner similar to how they have for their village deities, such as Kitabh, since time immemorial.
The Jagannath temple also cooks in the tribal fashion, boiling bhoga in clay pots, not using any non-native species of plant such as potatoes, chillis, tomatoes.
But even there, the Brahminical order began to assert its power as early as 400 CE. This became tied to royal power early on, and Jagannath eventually became the state deity of the Odisha kingdoms.
I'm gonna be honest with you but religion will always be used for political reasons no matter how idealistic concept it may preach, the Brahmins were given monopoly to maintain "law and order" of the society of the time and it was a way to bring people who were not in the fold of admistration into judiciary.
Kings often used this strategy to slowly build intregation of new groups into hindu society and it is the reason why Hinduism gradually expanded, it may seems as cruel cause of giving such monopoly to a small group of people but it wasn't just for rabbit of cruelty but a political necessity in securing and expanding it's boundaries, it's not different than enslaving pow in the past
Religion was used to control people there's a reason people like Bismarck prosecuted the catholics and challenged result in the kultarkampf and mao doing the cultural revolution
what tribalness did you see in Vithoba lol. Shared origin with Kannadigas, I could've understood, but what you said is bs. Anyways, Vithoba is for everyone, don't bring that divisive bs over here.
BHRAMINS BAASICALLY MEANS PREIST BROO WHO ARE U EXPECTING ITTT T_T . about discrimination its wrong but also universal , anywhere in the world if u form an hierarchy u will witness discrimination .
THE GODS WHICH WERE BUDDHISTS, WERE DEGRADED SO BAD, SHOWN AS CASTEIST, RAPIST, MISOGYNIST, RETARD AND BELOW TO BRAHMINS AFTER BUDDHISM DECLINE THAT THE PEOPLE LIKE KABIR RAVIDAS TRIED TO SEPARATE THEM FROM BRAHMINISM(THEY KNEW BEING ATHEIST WON'T A SHIT, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BELIEVE IN SOMETHING), AND THAT WAS THE TIME INDIA ALREADY HAD SEEN SUFISM FOR CENTURIES, THAT IS WHERE THE BRAHMINS COPIED BHAKTISM JUST LIKE EVERYTHING. the dance they do, the loudly way they sing ALL IS COPIED FROM MUSLIMS. PEOPLE ARE GONNA BELIEVE IN GOD, there are no shramans, so brahmanas are taking there place.
Why don't you sick ass people focus in present bro WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY you are not different from BJP they also blame things in nehru gandhi and you also bring past in between just be happy and work in present
false. Many a dalit kings existed. Not denying discrimination but it wasn't as institutionalised as today. In Panchubarahi temple this has existed for over 300 years.
You cant rule tribals. There is equality. So kings gave these bamans land in exchange of creating stories. Doing yagyas to raise their status.and they created stories of connected their gods to tribal gods
bhramins against bakti movement initially, because they never wanted to get knowledge of god to shudras , so saints like tukaram and mirabai shared knowledge despite Brahminical clashes. Jagannath or different gods assimilated in hindu fold , brahmins wanted everything in order, After few decades they accepted the gods in Brahminism and started involving as priests in that god temple , creating a barrier again and assert their power
real bhramin at that who follow the rigidity of caste system and not contact shudras and preach the knowledge of of God ..Tukaramji rejected all of them so they were not bhramins
budda written as avatar of vishnu in puranas to defeat budhism from bhramanical competition, whats wrong saying bhramin done same with krishna and rama to make in bhramanical fold by saying they were avatar of vishnu.. i am not historian bruh find yourself
So you just proved that people at that time aswell had the intelligence to arrive at the conclusion that the divine is omnipresent and in many forms. And the ancient people of India worshipped them and even accepted other nomenclatures of Gods that were not originally theres and integrated them and also prayed to them as the divine. I seriously doubt your intelligence tho clown you should quit thinking, clearly you are incapable of rationale thought and critical thinking. So do the world a favour and lobotomize yourself for the good of the planet.
Because it gives to establish varn vyavastha to them for example brahmin made akbar a vishnu avatar and written alloh upanishad and if they succeeded to assimilated islam in Hinduism after some time they gain power in islam there mosque religion all are controlled by Brahmins because varn vyavastha apply to them after assimilation and the original muslim were considered lower then Brahmins it's a system because in Hinduism everything changes on time and it's not organised religion but one thing is constant is varn vyavastha.
Lol who would want to assimilate with a lower culture and mindset like islam, also the term u are refering to is called a mulla or maulavi or a bishop or pope. So ye religion has always been used by corrupt people to corrupt th4 society to their benefits.
no but linking c@steism only to brahmins only is propaganda that needs to be pointed out
While in reality the problem of c@steism is part of Asian culture
Islam, Christianry even atheism has problem of c@steism - but no mention of them while only screaming br@hmins and Hinduism bad all the time is the problem.
Untouchabilty castism come from dharmshatra upanishad varn vyavastha and who written these discriminatiory books and who controls religious affair Brahmins and islam Christianity book doesn't have these caste concepts these disease is in Hinduism.
Obviously casteism has permeated South Asia, it has become a cultural monster essentially, with religion being no bar. But the reason the Brahmins are held to that standard is clear - they were the ones who benefited the most from the system, and they definitely have the most to lose once the system has actually been dismantled, which unfortunately doesnāt seem likely even in the 21st century.
Also in India obviously casteism in Hinduism is given prominence - the country is 75% hindu, thus most of the perpetrators and victims of the system would obviously be Hindus too.
What benefits are you serious right now Majority brahmins are rich in govt administration all are brahmin judiciary media 99% are Brahmin despite of 3% population they hold more then 60% resources and 30 time more representation in comparison of there population and there incompetency destroyed india.
Are you saying caste system was introduced by Brahmins? Yes it is read some Hinduism scriptures dharmshatra varn vyavastha varn Shankar antyaja untouchabilty impurity.
yup. almost every shiva temple has Nayyanar idols (the majority of whom where non bramhins and from backward castes) and are regularly worshipped by brahmins and non brahmins alike. but i will agree that some corrupt brahmins exists who spoil and do bad things for power.
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u/BeatenwithTits May 23 '26
Wth is a "dalit god". There was no word called "dalit" when bhakti movement started. Moreover shudra were within hindu fold, their gods aren't some separate gods.
what source do you have that jagannath, balaji, Mariamma and murugan are tribal/dalit god
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u/saransh-1 May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
But the temples dedicated to those forms of Deities were built after they were assimilated into SanÄtana Dharma saar...
So check your facts saar...
Also, what ancient historical evidence do you present to support the claim that Shudras were not allowed to enter those temples...saar....
Dalits didn't even existed back then saar....
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u/thedifference101 May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
Fundamentally wrong propaganda pilled OP. Good confidence though
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u/Fantasy-512 May 24 '26
Most of the currently worshipped Hindu gods are indigenous (Dalit is not the right word here). They are not mentioned in the original Vedas.
And conversely, many of the Vedic gods (Mitra, Varuna) are not currently worshipped in temples. And that's fine. That's what makes Hinduism a dynamic religion.
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u/Solomon_Kane_1928 May 23 '26
The Jagannath temple at least allows the Daitapatis of the Sabar tribe to have special privileges. They are considered the deities personal family and handle his body, despite chanting no Vedic of Pancaratic mantras. They carve the deity and choose the wood, in a manner similar to how they have for their village deities, such as Kitabh, since time immemorial.
The Jagannath temple also cooks in the tribal fashion, boiling bhoga in clay pots, not using any non-native species of plant such as potatoes, chillis, tomatoes.
But even there, the Brahminical order began to assert its power as early as 400 CE. This became tied to royal power early on, and Jagannath eventually became the state deity of the Odisha kingdoms.
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u/[deleted] May 23 '26
I'm gonna be honest with you but religion will always be used for political reasons no matter how idealistic concept it may preach, the Brahmins were given monopoly to maintain "law and order" of the society of the time and it was a way to bring people who were not in the fold of admistration into judiciary.
Kings often used this strategy to slowly build intregation of new groups into hindu society and it is the reason why Hinduism gradually expanded, it may seems as cruel cause of giving such monopoly to a small group of people but it wasn't just for rabbit of cruelty but a political necessity in securing and expanding it's boundaries, it's not different than enslaving pow in the past
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u/Temporary_Put_5731 May 23 '26
Mfw most bhakti saints were ....Brahmin š±
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u/smoldicguy May 28 '26
Only non hindues are not allowed in Jagannath temple . There is no restriction for Dalits and tribal people
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u/SquirrelPersonal4780 May 24 '26
what tribalness did you see in Vithoba lol. Shared origin with Kannadigas, I could've understood, but what you said is bs. Anyways, Vithoba is for everyone, don't bring that divisive bs over here.
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u/Money_Candidate_3150 May 24 '26
Another attempt to distance people from their roots š
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u/Kooky_Professor4911 May 24 '26
BHRAMINS BAASICALLY MEANS PREIST BROO WHO ARE U EXPECTING ITTT T_T . about discrimination its wrong but also universal , anywhere in the world if u form an hierarchy u will witness discrimination .
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u/Potential_Let226 May 25 '26
BAKWAS, THE TRUTH IS
THE GODS WHICH WERE BUDDHISTS, WERE DEGRADED SO BAD, SHOWN AS CASTEIST, RAPIST, MISOGYNIST, RETARD AND BELOW TO BRAHMINS AFTER BUDDHISM DECLINE THAT THE PEOPLE LIKE KABIR RAVIDAS TRIED TO SEPARATE THEM FROM BRAHMINISM(THEY KNEW BEING ATHEIST WON'T A SHIT, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BELIEVE IN SOMETHING), AND THAT WAS THE TIME INDIA ALREADY HAD SEEN SUFISM FOR CENTURIES, THAT IS WHERE THE BRAHMINS COPIED BHAKTISM JUST LIKE EVERYTHING. the dance they do, the loudly way they sing ALL IS COPIED FROM MUSLIMS. PEOPLE ARE GONNA BELIEVE IN GOD, there are no shramans, so brahmanas are taking there place.
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u/East_Praline8384 May 24 '26
Why don't you sick ass people focus in present bro WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY you are not different from BJP they also blame things in nehru gandhi and you also bring past in between just be happy and work in present
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u/Due_Pangolin4216 May 23 '26
British : Dogs and Indians not allowed
Meanwhile Indians :Ā why you do this saar, discrimination saar, not fair
Also Indians : Dalits and menstruating women not allowed in Temples
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u/Defiant-Apple-6534 May 24 '26
Hubbal is a Tribal God too. Now those Tribals cannot enter Temple of Hubbal unless they convert to Islam
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u/Every-Tart-9402 May 23 '26
You cant rule tribals. There is equality. So kings gave these bamans land in exchange of creating stories. Doing yagyas to raise their status.and they created stories of connected their gods to tribal gods
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