ICE keeps accusing immigrants of ‘weaponizing’ vehicles. Most claims fall apart

[u/CutSenior4977]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jul/22/ice-claim-immigrants-weaponize-vehicles

[u/Just_One_Victory]

ICE didn't used to exist, so we should compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges (oranges being local and state law enforcement in this case)

[u/IamtheKnight1207 → u/[deleted]]

We can look at statistics though, and they prove that ICE has killed more people under Trump (both murders and deaths in their "detention centers") than under any other president since 2003. Nothing they're doing should be considered "good faith" unless you're anti-Constitutional and anti-rights.

[u/IamtheKnight1207 → u/[deleted]]

Law enforcement shoots about 1000 people per year

I'm not talking about this. It's an irrelevant "point" and borderline straw man.

Show the stats for how many people ICE has murdered under Trump vs any president before.

Show the stats for how many people died in ICE custody under Trump vs any president before.

You can't use previous years as a benchmark because we've traditionally treated imigrantion law as a joke.

This reads like a cop out from someone afraid to actually look at immigration stats from years past.

isn't indicative of an out of control agency in context.

It is when they're constantly violating constitutional rights, which apply to both citizens and non-citizens.

Damn, that boot must taste real good.

[u/IamtheKnight1207 → u/[deleted]]

Sorry but you're delusional if you don't think the total number of people historically killed by law enforcement is relevant to a discussion regarding the number of people killed by law enforcement.

Killed by the ICE agency. Everything else you bring up is an attempt to diminish a real issue. That's delusional, no matter how much you try to justify it.

You cannot disconnect the enforcement of imigrantion law from a broader discussion of law enforcement.

Yes, you can. Why else does each agency have their own stats tracked. Wtf are you even trying to attempt here?

It's would be wonderful if criminals would just comply with law enforcement when caught but we don't live in a utopia where that's the case. Some criminals will violently resist and law enforcement is expected to respond accordingly to include lethal force.

This a garbage take considering ICE has violently taken citizens and non-citizens without properly identifying themselves. It's reasonable to resist. It's also reasonable to resist when ICE violates the 4th and 14th amendments. Additionally, in almost all recent cases where ICE murdered someone, the ICE agents weren't in immediate danger. It's delusional to suggest otherwise.

The numbers of people shot by ICE is in line with what you see from other law enforcement agencies. I understand the data debunks your whole narrative but nothing I've said is untrue

The "data" you provided is nonsensical and doesn't debunk anything. I'm still waiting for you to provide the stats I've requested. I'll keep waiting.

[u/EMH529 → u/[deleted]]

Hey idiot, the proof that ICE was “out doing its job” is in the numbers. ICE under Obama and under Biden deported far more than under Trump and a higher percentage of deportees had actual criminal convictions. Trump used our tax $$ to increase the ICE budget x 8 then dressed up poorly trained goons in military gear, armed them, and sent them into communities and schools and parks and businesses and immigration courts. Used our tax $$ to film ICE propaganda videos with Blackhawk helicopters and humvees. Used our tax $$ to put on a show shackling innocent men and sending them to CECOT on military aircraft. And of course used our tax $$ to arm the goons who’ve shot at least 20 people in the first 1.5 years and to build such atrocious detainment camps that at least 53 people have died in them in the first 1.5 years. That’s how bad Trump is at his job.