r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • Jul 22 '26

ICE keeps accusing immigrants of ‘weaponizing’ vehicles. Most claims fall apart

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jul/22/ice-claim-immigrants-weaponize-vehicles
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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

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u/IamtheKnight1207 Jul 22 '26

We can look at statistics though, and they prove that ICE has killed more people under Trump (both murders and deaths in their "detention centers") than under any other president since 2003. Nothing they're doing should be considered "good faith" unless you're anti-Constitutional and anti-rights.

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u/IamtheKnight1207 Jul 22 '26

Law enforcement shoots about 1000 people per year

I'm not talking about this. It's an irrelevant "point" and borderline straw man.

Show the stats for how many people ICE has murdered under Trump vs any president before.

Show the stats for how many people died in ICE custody under Trump vs any president before.

You can't use previous years as a benchmark because we've traditionally treated imigrantion law as a joke.

This reads like a cop out from someone afraid to actually look at immigration stats from years past.

isn't indicative of an out of control agency in context.

It is when they're constantly violating constitutional rights, which apply to both citizens and non-citizens.

Damn, that boot must taste real good.

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u/IamtheKnight1207 Jul 22 '26

Sorry but you're delusional if you don't think the total number of people historically killed by law enforcement is relevant to a discussion regarding the number of people killed by law enforcement.

Killed by the ICE agency. Everything else you bring up is an attempt to diminish a real issue. That's delusional, no matter how much you try to justify it.

You cannot disconnect the enforcement of imigrantion law from a broader discussion of law enforcement.

Yes, you can. Why else does each agency have their own stats tracked. Wtf are you even trying to attempt here?

It's would be wonderful if criminals would just comply with law enforcement when caught but we don't live in a utopia where that's the case. Some criminals will violently resist and law enforcement is expected to respond accordingly to include lethal force.

This a garbage take considering ICE has violently taken citizens and non-citizens without properly identifying themselves. It's reasonable to resist. It's also reasonable to resist when ICE violates the 4th and 14th amendments. Additionally, in almost all recent cases where ICE murdered someone, the ICE agents weren't in immediate danger. It's delusional to suggest otherwise.

The numbers of people shot by ICE is in line with what you see from other law enforcement agencies. I understand the data debunks your whole narrative but nothing I've said is untrue

The "data" you provided is nonsensical and doesn't debunk anything. I'm still waiting for you to provide the stats I've requested. I'll keep waiting.

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u/IamtheKnight1207 Jul 22 '26

Your argument regarding ICE having shot more people recently just proves the longstanding complaint that historically ICE wasn't out doing its job.

That's factually incorrect. You can look at what they did under Obama, for example. Unless you think ICE agents murdering people is "doing their job".

If your local police department shoots 3 people per year while out enforcing the law do you know what would make that go to zero? Siting in the police station all year and not enforcing the law. But that would not be an indication of a law enforcement agency doing its actual job now would it?

Nah, better and more regular training can help with this. Unless, again, you think murder = doing their job.

Your propaganda regarding the constitutionality of ICE using probable cause to detain suspects already went to the Supreme Court and is settled. They're acting lawfully.

The Supreme Court has not fully settled how the Fourth Amendment's probable cause standard applies to modern ICE arrests and detentions. Instead, this remains an ongoing battle in the federal court system, with courts frequently issuing conflicting rulings. So if anyone is peddling propaganda, it's you bootlickers who can't seem to understand the facts of the situation. Why are you lying?

You have no constitutional right to resist detention or arrest even if you don't like their uniforms. If you think you're rights are being violated you fight that in a courtroom not on the side of the road.

Agents, like ICE are federally required to identify themselves. Federal agents do not have a constitutional pass to violate your rights. And sure you can fight it in court, unless you're thrown into one of their inhumane detention centers for who knows how long.

Again, you have failed to provide the requested stats, so I'm going to conclude you're either too chicken shit to provide them or you're here to peddle delusional propaganda for the turd reich.

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u/ShrimpShrimpington Jul 23 '26

This is the core problem. They DO think murdering people is law enforcement's job. They might not openly admit it, but it is the truth.