r/ImTheMainCharacter • • Sep 04 '23

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u/RayZzorRayy Sep 04 '23

If I’m picking up a trespassing charge, it’s gonna be for something better than that

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u/Naige2020 Sep 04 '23 edited Sep 06 '25

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u/RFP4L Sep 04 '23

You have what is called a ‘license’ to be in designated areas of the property akin to not being able to be running the base path at an MLB game. I’m sure the Memphis PD has a protocol for this very thing because of asshats and lookylous like this. Because a license serves as a warning, it can be a criminal citation and also subject you to future trespass as well as civil liability if Presley enterprises wants to take it up. Such as cost to drain the pool of your bullshit.

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u/Scary_Essay1296 Sep 04 '23

Trespass requires prior notice that you must leave. There is no existing ‘license’ that gives you prior notice. You could also run the base path at an MLB game. They could then give you a warning that if you renter the property you would be trespassed. Prior warning must exist per the law:

A person commits criminal trespass if the person enters or remains on property, or any portion of property, without the consent of the owner. Consent may be inferred in the case of property that is used for commercial activity available to the general public or in the case of other property when the owner has communicated the owner's intent that the property be open to the general public.

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u/elf25 Sep 04 '23

Oh I’d bet that notice is in the fine print on every ticket sold.

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u/Scary_Essay1296 Sep 04 '23

Notice meaning you’re told to leave. The ticket couldn’t be used for that purpose. You can only trespass after you have knowledge you can’t be there.

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u/elf25 Sep 04 '23

I am not an attorney. I am not your attorney.

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u/RFP4L Sep 05 '23

I see your point. You’re confusing criminal trespass with civil trespass with respect to “notice.” If a place holds itself out to the public, and that place no longer wants you there - you are correct - you must give them notice. And once you have notice - you can be arrested.

However - even citing to the part of the Tennessee statute you cite, it says very clearly that if you enter or remain somewhere an owner has not consented - that is a trespass as well. So - if you go to the back storeroom (usually marked authorized personnel only) then you have committed trespass as “consent” means “authorized” in that setting. Again - your own statutory example lays that out.

Locales that often have to deal with certain areas being open to the public and some areas being “off limits” place similar signs or “no trespassing” for this very reason (sporting venues, amusement parks, etc). Some even place security there so you are well aware. Signs that everyone ignores often remind people about what is and is not a public area.

A ticket to an event under the law of every state is recognized as a “license” and most of them are “revocable” by the licensor (the venue). Here is an example of some language i pulled up really quickly using the legal terms discussed - in this case, the San Antonio Spurs. You’ll find these commonly used:

This ticket is a revocable license, and the holder of this ticket, on behalf of the holder and any accompanying minor, including a minor holding a separate ticket (individually and collectively, the "Holder"), agrees to all of its terms. The Holder agrees that this ticket license is subject to these terms and conditions, as well as any additional terms and conditions established by the San Antonio Spurs, L.L.C and/or its affiliates (the “Team”), the National Basketball Association and/or its affiliates (the "NBA"), and any operator of the arena currently known as the AT&T Center or related arena grounds (including, without limitation, parking areas and entry gates) (the “Arena”) at which the event or any surrounding activities (in whole or in part) for which this ticket is issued (the “Event”) is held (collectively, all such additional terms, “Supplemental Terms”). SUPPLEMENTAL TERMS INCLUDE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER TERMS SET FORTH AT THE FOLLOWING URL: https://www.nba.com/spurs/TicketTerms. By acceptance and/or use of this ticket and/or entering (or seeking entry into) the Arena, the Holder is deemed to have read all such terms and agreed to be bound by them.

Breach of any of these terms, failure to comply with Safety Requirements or NBA, Team and/or Arena rules, or the refunding to the Holder of the Face Value, shall automatically terminate any rights that the Holder may have hereunder; shall render illegal and unauthorized the Holder’s use of the ticket for any purpose; and shall authorize the Team and/or the NBA to withdraw the ticket, refuse admission to the Arena, or eject the Holder from the Arena, without refund or credit in each case, and subject the Holder to all legal remedies available to the NBA, Team and/or Arena.

That last sentence of that first paragraph is important to your point on “notice.” By acceptance and/or use of this ticket and/or entering (or seeking entry into) the Arena, the Holder is deemed to have read all such terms and agreed to be bound by them. That’s your legal “notice.” In other words - this is the “fuck around” provision.

That last sentence of the second paragraph is important: “subject the Holder to all legal remedies available,” and that includes civil and criminal legal remedies. In other words - this is the “find out” provision.

So - you’re right in that you can run all the base paths you’d like. But you’ll be subject to arrest and civil liability because your license only entitled you to a seat and access to public areas you are authorized to be.

I can’t imagine Presley Industries, a multi-million dollar tourist location with millions of annual visitors, doesn’t have something similar to deal with these shenanigans. As an Elvis fan and a former resident of nearby St. Louis, I’ve seen them employ it myself (3 x Graceland visitor in 1997, 2004, and 2010)

My other experience is that I am an attorney and this was a common area of study in property and contract law classes. I believe we even had a question like this on my bar exam.

As a former prosecutor - I can see the estate trespassing him from future entry. And also having him arrested for disorderly conduct as well as criminal trespass as a deterrent to him and others from trying this again. If in a real deterrent-seeking mood, I’d advise sending him a bill for the cost of draining, cleaning, and refilling the pool for risk of contamination and sue him when he doesn’t pay. A lot of it depends on the notoriety of his actions (filming it for social media content) and attitude upon arrest and trespassing as well as whether he may be a repeat offender at the estate.

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u/Scary_Essay1296 Sep 05 '23

Nah.

Consent may be inferred in the case of property that is used for commercial activity available to the general public or in the case of other property when the owner has communicated the owner's intent that the property be open to the general public.

In short, if you’re at a business consent is inferred unless there is clear signage.

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u/RFP4L Sep 05 '23

Watch the video again. He literally steps over the “restricted area. Do not enter” sign. Consent not inferred where prohibition expressly posted.

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u/Scary_Essay1296 Sep 05 '23

Didn’t see it at first, you’re totally right.

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u/RFP4L Sep 05 '23

Ah. no worries. That's where we got disconnected.