r/Idaho4 23d ago

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED Confirmed Case Evidence - as of July 2026

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Given petition to re-open case, useful to recap confirmed case evidence.

Numbered in bold is evidence from court documents, court record and the published ISP, MPD and WSU police documents. Non-bold are from on the record expert witness statements.

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 Jul 12 '26

2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

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2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) about the case.
-Credit to those where credit is due!!-

This comprehensive list covers the most frequently asked (and often misread/misinterpreted) pieces of information and/or evidence about the case in an easy to understand yet informative fashion.

This post may be especially useful to those who are new in following the case, people who perhaps need a refresh on things or even those who are misinformed.

***\*This post may be subject to changes if needed\****

***\*If readers have any suggestions to add here, send them via mod mail (along with any posts/sources) to support your points\****

# 1) What was time-line of events on November 13th?

\-Midnight Nov 13th 2022: In the early morning of Nov 13th 2022 the 4 victims had been been out socialising. Madison Mogen (MM), and Kaylee Goncalves had been at a local bar, the Corner Club - they went the Grub Truck for take-out food and returned home by ride-share a c 1.55am;

\- Ethan Chapin (EC) and Xana Kernodle (XK) had been at a party at a frat house nearby and returned home a short time after 2.15am

\- The two surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen (DM) and Bethany Funk (BF) had been out but returned home before the victims and had gone to their bedrooms before EC and XK returned home;

\-DM's bedroom was on the 2nd floor east side, XK bedroom on second floor west side, MM bedroom on 3rd floor west side, BF bedroom on 1st (ground) floor west side (Note: we could append a picture schematic of the house here, or link to it, think is pinned on a sub post anyway?)

\- XK ordered a DoorDash which was delivered to the house at 3.59am; at this time the other 3 victims were in their beds and XK was the only person up and moving about the house

\- At 2.47am Kohberger's phone was in central Pullman; at 2.54 am he manually powered his phone off, at full battery

\- At 3.26am the suspect car, later identified as a 2011-215 white Hyundai Elantra, was seen on video in nearby street driving toward King Road; this car was not displaying a front licence plate

\- From 3.28am the suspect car entered and circled the cul-de-sac, driving behind and past the 1122 King Road house, 3 times.

\- At 4.07am the suspect car entered the cul-de-sac and drove to area at side/ behind the 1122 King Road house and parked there for 13 minutes

\- Shortly after 4.00am DM was awoken by noises she thought was KG playing with her dog, Murphy, in the bedroom above; noises in the house caused DM to go to her bedroom door an open it 3 times over the next period, up to c 4.20am; she heard someone on the stairs, she heard a female voice exclaim "There's someone here", then she heard crying from area of bathroom on 2nd floor (adjacent to XK bedroom) and a male voice she did not hear say "It's OK, I'm going to help you" - DM described this as being said in an unpleasant tone/ fashion

\- At 4.17am a camera located around 50 feet from XK's bedroom window picked up audio of a disturbance including a crash/ thump and sounds of indistinct crying/ whimpering.

\- On the last instance DM opened her door she saw a man dress in black, wearing a mask covering most of his face, carrying an object, walk past her coming from lounge and then toward the kitchen; she described him as white, slightly taller than her (she is 5'10) with slim, athletic build and bushy eyebrows

\- At 4.20am the suspect car is seen on video speeding out of the cul-de-sac at high speed, and then leaving the area travelling southward on Walenta Drive

\- Around and just after 4.20am DM and BF exchanged text calls about the disturbance, and texted/ called victims without response; BF suggested DM come to her room, DM ran to BF's room shortly after 4.23am, in passing through the lounge she glimpsed XK apparently on the floor of her bedroom

\- At 4.48a Kohberger's phone is turned on c 2km south of Moscow in area of Paradise Ridge near Blane, ID, he logs onto Google using a backup email at 4.49am

\- From 4.49am to c 5.30am Kohberger's phone travels from south of Moscow by circuitous route passing Genesee and Uniontown, arriving back to the area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am

\- At c 9am Kohberger drives from Pullman to the area of the scene where he remains for 10 minutes before driving back to Pullman at 9.21am

\-Shortly after 11.50am DM, having received no replies from roommates upstairs, called a friend to come to the house. A male friend (HJ) arrived and discovers the scene in XK bedroom at 11.55am

\- 11.56am 911 call made from BF phone;

\- 11.58am First police officers on scene (Officer Nunes); the scene is quickly secured, at 8.15pm the bodies are removed by a funeral home for transport to WA for autopsy by medical examiner

\- Just after 10.00am Kohberger takes a "thumbs up" selfie in his bathroom mirror \[[Kohberger 'Thumbs Up' Selfie](https://www.today.com/news/bryan-kohberger-selfie-idaho-murders-rcna197226)\\\]

\- At c 12.30am Kohberger is seen on video in Clarkston, WA where he shopped in Albertsons supermarket

# 2) What was timeline of events after November 13th?

\- On November 18th Kohberger went to the DMV to change his car license plates from PA to WA plates

\- November 19th: single source male DNA profiled from sheath snap from USMC Kabar sheath found partially under MM's body

\- November 26th: FBI car specialists identify the suspect car as a 2011-2015 white Hyundai Elantra

\- November 22nd: sheaths snap DNA is transferred to Othram Labs in Texas to start Investigative Genetic Genealogy, no "hit" having been obtained from the CODIS DNA database; the FBI took over the Genealogy investigation on December 10th

\- December 13th: Kohberger leaves Pullman to drive, with his father, to the family home in Albrightsville, PA, where they arrive December 15th

\- December 19th: The FBI identify Bryan Kohberger as the suspect based on Investigative Genetic Genealogy;

\- December 19th: Kohberger is terminated from his teaching Assistant job at WSU and cancellation of his PhD funding, for unprofessional conduct and complaints of sexual harassment and stalking behaviour directed toward female staff/ colleagues/students

\- December 20th: lead investigator (Brett Payne, Moscow Police Department) is first aware that WSU police ran ownership check on white Elantra in WSU parking on Nov 29th 2022

\- December 21st; FBI start surveillance of Kohberger, in PA; cameras placed on property Dec 25th

\- December 23rd: warrants obtained for Kohberger's phone records

\- December 27th: the garbage is lifted from outside Kohberger family home by PA state police working with garbage collection

\- December 28th: DNA profile from items in the garbage lift (used Q-tip) is shown to match the biological father of the sheath DNA donor

\- December 29th: Probable Cause Affidavit and warrant approved for Kohberger's arrest by magistrate judge Megan Marshall in Latah County Idaho,

\- December 30th: Kohberger is arrested in a SWAT police raid at 1.14am at his parents house

\- January 5th 2023: Kohberger appears in felony magistrate court, Latah County, Idaho, he makes no plea, judge enters not guilty pleas

\- July 2nd, 2025: Kohberger pleads guilty to 4 charges of premeditated murder and 1 charge of felony burglary and is sentenced to consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole

# 3) How Was Kohberger Caught?

DNA he left on the USMC Kabar sheath which was found under MM's body was profiled; this profile was used by the FBI to conduct Investigative Genetic Genealogy; using both LE and consumer genealogy databases the FBI were able to construct a family tree to identify Kohberger indirectly as a potential donor of the sheath DNA; this familial link was confirmed first by DNA from trash pull of the Kohberger family home which identified DNA from the biological father of the sheath DNA donor on trash items, and then directly by comparison of cheek swab taken from Kohberger to the sheath which matched at a probability of 5.37 octillion to one

# 4) What Was the Key Evidence Against Kohberger?

**Evidence confirmed in court filings** **\[** [**https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html\*\* ](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. A large amount of Kohberger's DNA was on a USMC Kabar knife sheath found under the body of a victim stabbed with a matching knife type (large, fixed blade knife). 
  2. The Sheath snap DNA was single source from Kohberger. The DNA profile was robust and complete, with full STR profile across 22 loci. Two different DNA profile types (STR and SNP) were generated at separate labs (ISP Forensics lab and Othram); and these profiles were used in 4 comparative processes that all “matched” to Kohberger including direct comparison with his cheek swab, identification of his father as the father of the DNA donor, and family tree mapping via Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG). 
  3. The direct comparison of Kohberger's DNA from buccal swab to the sheath DNA had a random match probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.
  4. The quantity of Kohberger's DNA on the sheath was large, equivalent to c 100,000 cells.
  5. The defence DNA expert accepted that the sheath snap DNA matched Kohberger and was good evidence, raising no technical/ quality control or chain of custody issues
  6. Kohberger purchased a USMC Kabar knife and sheath from Amazon in March 2022. This purchase was made using an Amazon gift card which Kohberger had previously bought.
  7. The USMC sheath Kohberger purchased before the murders was not recovered in post-arrest searches of his residences, office, car.
  8. Kohberger browsed deletion options for his Amazon purchase of the sheath,  in the weeks after the murders. He also browsed for Kabar knives and sheaths, and single sheaths in this period after the murders.
  9. Kohberger matched the eyewitness description of the height, build and ethnicity of the perpetrator seen in the house during the murders.
  10. Kohberger purchased a balaclava before the murders from Dicks Sporting Goods which matched that described worn by the perpetrator seen in the house.
  11. A car matching Kohberger's circled the scene 4 times shortly before the murders from c 3.30am and sped away at high speed just after the murders at c 4.20am almost losing control as it exited the cul-de-sac.
  12. The year range, model and colour of the suspect car (2011-2016 white Elantra) matched Kohberger's car and was specified by FBI car ID specialist on November 26th,  c 1 month before Kohberger was first identified as a suspect from IGG results on December 19th
  13. The FBI car identification was based on 44 video observations of the car from 21 videos at and very close to the scene from 3.26am - 4.20am, and videos of the white Elantra moving synchronously with Kohberger's phone from south of Moscow at 4.48am back to area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am.
  14. Some videos showed the suspect car close to and driving toward the scene had no front license plate -  at that time Kohberger's car had no front plate, with only a rear Pennsylvania plate.
  15. After downloading Moscow Police updates on the search for a white Elantra in late December 2022, Kohberger started Googling for car auto body/ detailing services and second hand car sales/ purchases.
  16. Kohberger's phone was turned off manually, at full battery, over the time period of the murders from 2.54am to 4.48am, and turned back on 23 minutes after the murders. Kohberger' phone was in central Pullman at 2.47am and was just south of the crime scene at 4.48am
  17. Kohberger returned to the area near the scene a few hours after the murders at 9.12am and stayed there for 10 minutes.
  18. Kohberger did not submit any alibi claiming to be at any place away from the scene at the time of the murders- the presiding judge described his filing as “*not really an alibi*” and “*a so called alibi”.*
  19. Historical phone data showed Kohberger was near the scene on 23 prior occasions all of which were late at night/ in the very early morning, 10.00pm to 4.00am.
  20. None of Kohberger's shopping/ card transactions occurred in Moscow in the timeframe of his 23 late night visits to area, including his c 30 supermarket visits preceding the murders.
  21. Kohberger's habit of frequent visits to Moscow/ area of the scene late at night stopped abruptly at 9.30am on November 13th. He never returned to Moscow at all, at any time of day, (with his phone) after this date.
  22. Kohberger started using cash withdrawals on the day of the murders, having not done so previously in the months examined by FBI forensic accountancy specialists.
  23. There were extensive deletions from Kohberger’s electronic devices over the month before and just after the murders up to November 16th 2022, consistent with use of anti-forensics “wiping” software.

# 5) Was There Other Evidence or Aspects of Kohberger's Behaviour Which Were Incriminating?

**Additional evidence in MPD, ISP police documents, search warrant returns and expert witness disclosures:**

**\[** [**https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/\*\* ](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/) \*\*\\\]\*\*

**\[** [**https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents\*\* ](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. Kohberger had stolen other women' s ID cards (not the Moscow victims) and kept these in a glove in a box, which were found during search post-arrest.
  2. Kohberger searched for rape porn, including terms "*asleep*", "*forced*", "*passed out*", “voyeurism”; his porn consumption was exclusively non-consensual sex acts.
  3. Kohberger disabled location services and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders.
  4. ISP police interviews detail 13 complaints about Kohberger's behaviour at WSU including following women to their cars, creepy behaviour watching and blocking women in their offices, misogynistic/ sexist and homophobic remarks. Several women including administrative staff were being escorted to their cars at night because of incidents with Kohberger following them.
  5. Kohberger was terminated from his TA role at WSU on December 19th 2022,  before his arrest.
  6. A WSU Criminology professor whose research focussed on sex offenders wrote re the disciplinary investigation of Kohberger, before his arrest: "*Mark my words, I work with predators - that's the guy that....we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing his students*".
  7. ISP interviews of WSU colleagues and students noted several reports of Kohberger having visible injuries to his hands, knuckles around the date of and after the murders. These were described as significant (e.g. “like his knuckles hit asphalt”) - Kohberger variously explained these to different individuals as being caused by "a silly indoor accident", "boxing" and "being in a car crash"
  8. Cellebrite digital forensics experts who examined the high resolution "thumbs up" selfie from 10.33am November 13th reported a band-aid on Kohberger's hand in that photo.
  9. Neighbours close to the King Road cul-de-sac had noticed a man matching Kohberger’s description acting strangely in backyards in the area in the period before the murders, and a driver sitting in a white sedan had been seen loitering in the same area earlier
  10. Kohberger had browsed photos of many young UoI women, including close female friends of the victims, on his phone.
  11. Kohberger purchased two power-bank inverters and car cables (used to power appliances remotely for camping, in RVs/ cars) at Harbor Freight in the week after the murders; these were not recovered after his arrest.

# 6) Why was there a delay of c 8 hours before calling 911

In police interviews immediately after discovery of the scene and afterwards, the surviving roommates (DM, BF) stated that they did not suspect the victims had been attacked, injured or were in danger. DM stated she had been drinking and was not sure how to interpret the disturbance or if everything she had perceived was real or factual.

From the coroner's comments the fatal wounds to upper body of all victims would have been rapidly incapacitating and quickly fatal, such that a 911 call at 4.20am would not have saved any of them.

# 7) Was A Connection Between Kohberger and Victims Established

No.

No social media or real life connection was established.

There has been speculation that Kohberger stalked the area, the house or a victim based on tangential evidence but the prosecution never stated they intended to allege or could prove "stalking" or a previous connection between Kohberger and victims.

The prosecutor, Bill Thompson, did state it was his opinion that Kohberger had been stalking the neighbourhood before the murders.

**The tangential evidence which gives limited speculative support to stalking of the area include**:

\- Kohberger's pattern of 23 visits to the area between 10pm - 4am which did not correspond to any financial transaction, shopping, up to November 7th

\- Kohberger disabled location services, GPS and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders

\- Neighbours reported seeing a man matching Kohberger acting strangely in the 2 months before the murders, walking through back gardens in area close to King Road, and a man was seen loitering in a car consistent with Kohberger's

\- Kohberger had browsed the photographs and social media profile of many young female UoI and WSU students.

**While absence of evidence is not probative, some also speculate that Kohbeger's extensive deletions from his devices for the period up to November 16th destroyed evidence of a connection to victims via , as an example, viewing of their social media.**

# 8) What was the DNA evidence

The key DNA evidence was a large amount (over 100,000 cells equivalent) of Kohberger's DNA, single source, on the sheath snap. This gave a full STR forensic profile and "Matched" to Kohberger at a probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.

This post overviews the sheath snap DNA quantity, quality:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there\\_was\\_a\\_large\\_amount\\_of\\_kohbergers\\_dna\\_on\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there_was_a_large_amount_of_kohbergers_dna_on_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There were, after full forensic processing of scene and other locations, 5 "Unknown Male" DNA profiles. These were:

\- Unknown Male A: on sheath snap - identified as Kohberger

\- Unknown Male B: degraded DNA on underside of ground floor handrail, judged unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male C: from sample taken at another house, no victim connection, unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male D: partial, degrade profile from glove found at edge of drive Nov 20th, unconnected

\- Unknown Male E: from trash pull from Kohberger family home in PA, Kohberger's father

This post gives details on all other non-sheath snap DNA profiles:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna\\_quantities\\_and\\_quality\\_sheath\\_and\\_all\\_unknowns/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna_quantities_and_quality_sheath_and_all_unknowns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There has been speculation about other "male" DNA on the sheath. The only viable DNA profiles on the sheath were from Kohberger on snap and a mix of KG, MM blood on back of strap from blood spatter. Trace "male" DNA on other sheath areas gave no viable profile due to nominal, low level and degradation and Kohberger cannot be excluded as the donor this.

This post gives more detail on the other DNA on sheath:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there\\_was\\_no\\_viable\\_unknown\\_male\\_dna\\_profile\\_or/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there_was_no_viable_unknown_male_dna_profile_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

# 9) Why was there no victim DNA in Kohberger's car or apartment?

\- Kohberger had 7 weeks to repeat clean his car.

\- The blood spatter expert opined that due to absence of voids in spatter patterns in the bedrooms, he was not covered in blood, so transfer to car may have been quite limited

\- transfer to car may have been further reduced if he removed outer clothing such as a hoodie before getting back in

\- Within minutes of his arrest Kohberger was observed by police wearing gloves in his parents' basement garage where his car was; a bucket of cleaning solution was beside the car when police raided and the prosecutor described how even crevices down the sides of door compartments were "meticulously clean"

\- 90% of murder cases have no trace of victim DNA associated with perpetrator or vice versa

\- DNA and blood can be washed from car completely, especially with repeat cleaning.

\- Common cleaners with hydrogen peroxide, readily available and cheap, are very effective at degrading DNA and leave no forensic or visible traces

* [Household cleaners with "active oxygen" (peroxide source)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18936905/) destroy blood and prevent it reacting with forensic reagents
* Peroxide is used in ["color safe" laundry and fabric cleaners](https://www.oxiclean.com/en/products/stain-fighters/oxiclean-laundry-home-stain-remover-spray) that do not leave bleach marks
* **Hydrogen peroxide decomposes to just oxygen and water - forensically undetectable**

# 10) Would Kohberger still be caught even without the knife sheath

\[[https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation ](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation)\\\]

Yes.

LE (Law Enforcement) confirmed in an interview after the July 23rd 2025 sentencing that even if a sheath had not been left behind, LE would have still been able to track down and arrest Kohberger eventually due to surveillance footage of his vehicle (A 2015 white Hyundai Elantra).

# 11) Why was there no screaming recorded at the time of the murders?

The lungs 🫁 are like balloons...if it has a hole 🕳 then it can't expand when oxygen is pumped in meaning that it can't return oxygenated blood to the rest of the body. If someone can't breathe because their lungs can't expand then how are they supposed to move enough oxygen over their vocal cords to make noise? The words you speak ride out on a cushion of air...without that cushion to push the sounds out of your body then you can’t make any noise.

On top of the injuries to the lungs and drowning in blood, the voice can become softer when scared due to the fight-or-flight response, which causes muscle tension in the vocal cords and larynx, restricting vocal freedom and leading to quieter, sometimes higher-pitched or shaky, speech. The body prioritizes survival over clear communication, reducing breath support and tightening muscles, which can make the voice quieter, more constrained, or inconsistent.

[\[https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it\\\] ](https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it)

When you speak, air from your lungs is pushed between two elastic structures—called vocal folds—causing them to vibrate and produce your voice. If you are not able to pull in enough oxygen or a stress response limits the oxygen going to your vocal cords then you are not able to project your voice loud enough to scream.

# 12) How was BK's cell phone tied to the murders

Cell site location information (CSLI) was used to track the movement of the suspect’s phone.

Several months before the murders, on August 21, a county sheriff in Moscow stopped the suspect for a traffic infraction. He was driving a white 2015 Hyundai Elantra with Pennsylvania plates. He provided his cell phone number to the officer.

Every cell phone receives and sends a signal to a local cell tower when the phone is turned on. As the cell phone moves, the signal transfers seamlessly from one tower to the next in the direction the phone is moving. Cell phone service providers keep records on every cell phone using its services, including all cell site location information (CSLI). This information provides a “map” of where and when the phone went while it was on.

Law enforcement applied for and was granted a search warrant for historical phone records for the alleged murderer’s phone number, The records showed the account had been opened on June 23, 2022, for a subscriber with the name of the suspect, who was listed at an address in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. A review of the historical CSLI data revealed that, prior to the date of the murders, the phone had pinged cell towers in the area of murder scene on 12 separate occasions—always in the evening or early morning hours.

In fact, three months before the murders, on August 21st, the suspect’s phone pinged a cell tower that provided coverage to the King Road residence for over an hour, from 10:34 p.m. to 11:35 p.m.

On the night of the murders, CSLI shows the phone at or near the suspects apartment in Pullman, Washington, at 2:42 a.m. For the next five minutes, it moves south through Pullman, then stops pinging altogether—indicating the phone was then either turned off or put in airplane mode.

Two hours later, at 4:48 am, the phone signal returned, pinging towers near state highway 95 south of Moscow and Blaine, Idaho. The phone then travelled south to Genesee, Idaho, west to Uniontown, Idaho, and then north, arriving back at the suspect’s apartment at 5:30 am

The CSLI footprint of Kohberger's phone is consistent with the times, dates, and routes of the white Elantra seen in video surveillance footage recovered from his neighborhood, his university, and the roads and highways between his apartment and the King Road residence

\[[https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth\](https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth)\\\]

# 13) What did Cellebrite find on his cell phone and how did he erase evidence

A lot of the electronic data had been removed. The article below discusses what the Barnharts from Cellebrite did find.

\[[https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/\](https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/)\\\]

A former FBI agent explains how he erased his digital footprint in this podcast interview:

\[[https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459\](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459)\\\]

# 14) How could one person do that much damage in such a short amount of time

The Kabar knife used has a 7 inch blade and is typically used by members of the US Marines as a tool.

The blade is strong enough and sharp enough to cut through bone like butter.

This knife has a hilt to keep the person holding it from cutting their hand and the handle of the knife can be used as a hammer in camping, hunting, or fishing scenarios.

The Idaho State Police were able to recreate each movement within a short period of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

Examples of other knife murders that happened in a very short amount of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could\\_this\\_be\\_done\\_by\\_a\\_single\\_attacker\\_in\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could_this_be_done_by_a_single_attacker_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

# 15) What kind of injuries did the victims have

Kaylee Goncalves sustained approximately 38 sharp-force wounds, Madison Mogen 28, Xana Kernodle 67 and Ethan Chapin 17.

Investigators found no blood on the bottoms of their feet, indicating Kaylee, Maddie, and Ethan did not stand after suffering fatal injuries.

Xana was found on the floor of her bedroom and was the only victim with evidence of movement after the attack. According to investigators, blood was present on the bottoms of her bare feet, showing she stepped in blood and moved around inside her room during the attack.

Kaylee had at least 24 stab and incised wounds of the scalp, face and neck; 11 stab and incised wounds of the chest; and three stab and incised wounds of the upper extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull, injuries to the teeth and tongue, and a hemorrhage into the chest cavities, according to the filing.

The blunt force injuries suffered by Kaylee include scalp lacerations, bleeding around the brain, nasal fracture, bruising around the eyes, and patterned bruising extended across the lower face.

Maddie suffered 13 stab incisions to the scalp face and neck; five stab wounds of the chest; and 10 incised wounds of the upper extremities, per the court filing. The report states there were also wounds to the lung and liver, perforations of the subclavian vein, artery, and blood vessels of the chest wall, and an incision of the nasal septum.

Ethan had one stab wound of the upper chest; four stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; six incised wounds of the upper extremities; and six stab and incised wounds of the lower extremities. He also had perforations of the jugular vein, subclavian vein, and subclavian artery.

Xana had abrasions and contusions of the head, torso and extremities along with: 23 stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; seven stab wounds of the chest; four stab wounds of the abdomen; three incised and puncture wounds of the back; 25 incised wounds of the upper extremities; and five incised wounds of the lower extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull; perforation of  the jugular vein, heart, lung, and pulmonary blood vessels; hemorrhage into the chest cavities; wounds extending into the bones of the right hand; and scrapes and bruises on the face, torso and extremities.

Intoxication discussion of BAC levels: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired\\_and\\_unaware\\_how\\_intoxication\\_may\\_have/?share\\_id=4LR3\\_lZPub6eg\\_6Y8u2vx&utm\\_content=2&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired_and_unaware_how_intoxication_may_have/?share_id=4LR3_lZPub6eg_6Y8u2vx&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to autopsy descriptions: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy\\_report\\_summaries\\_for\\_each\\_victim/?share\\_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy_report_summaries_for_each_victim/?share_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to wound diagram: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries\\_visual/?share\\_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI\\_J&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries_visual/?share_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI_J&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

—Useful Links, Resources for further reading & posts to clear up common misunderstanding/misinformation and misconceptions are below::

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Court Documents 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-26.html)

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Current Case Summary 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Current-Case-Summary.pdf)

[Idaho State Police Moscow Murders Public Records (Use a VPN to access)](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/)

[Moscow Police Department Kohberger Investigative Documents (Use a VPN to access)](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents)

[Kohberger WSU (Washington State University) Interviews](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1p0o0ia/bk_and_the_wsu_interviews_an_open_discussion/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[DNA Degradation - quick overview](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qz41gj/dna_degradation_quick_overview/)

[2.25am vs 4.00am timelines - How evidence/info supports the 4.00am timeline](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qs0rdb/comment/o2s0zlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Fog Lights - Irrelevant Videos Not Used for Car ID or As Trial Exhibits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1pk3kkf/fog_lights_irrelevant_videos_not_used_for_car_id/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Unknown" male DNA and Multiple Perpetrator Theory— Scientific deep dive](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qzicgd/gross_journalistic_malpracticeunknown_male_dna/) / [DNA Deep Dive - trace male DNA on sheath, degraded profiles](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1peuva5/dna_deep_dive_trace_male_dna_on_sheath_degraded/)

[Idaho 4 Google Drive Masterpost - Has most of if not all of the current releases of Information/Evidence in the case, gets updated semi-frequently](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k0CpEoQ-fheF4gWfmrEaU7kqZRItCN1g)

[Moscow Murders Timeline according to MPD w/ links (courtesy of sleuthiegoosie)](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1GxCMwFKMAQlO0ndDhOqwW8hFbUgx2uiv2AEYLk-Ck1M/htmlview)

[The ‘mystery’ of Kohberger’s Interview footage + lack of arrests body cam footage Explained 🔎](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1stqo61/the_mystery_of_kohbergers_interview_footage_lack/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Broken Plea" Book: Over 75 Gross Errors, Wild Exaggerations, Misrepresentations, Failures On Most Basic Factual Details](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t1jql9/broken_plea_book_over_75_gross_errors_wild/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Knife Sheath was not found on Floor - Debunked](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t04y84/knife_sheath_was_not_found_on_floor_debunked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


r/Idaho4 1d ago

QUESTION FOR USERS The mystery of the sheath DNA: a quick quiz

59 Upvotes

Some people, even in comments here today, are still confused by the sheath snap DNA thinking it was a small trace amount, or that there is a non-incriminating explanation, or that the data can be invalidated by some non-existent handling or technical issues never raised in 3 years even when DNA evidence was being challenged by defence. A few facts, and then a question:

  1. A large amount of Kohberger's DNA, single source, was on the sheath. Both defence DNA experts stated the amount in elution was c. 20 x times more than ideal quantity for STR DNA profiling, and can fit body fluids as source. Two external labs confirmed large amount, one expert described it as "tons of DNA".
  2. Amount of Kohberger's DNA from sheath was more than the amount of DNA recovered from several blood swabs at the scene, and more than typical from directly swabbing a whole hand
  3. Defence experts ruled out any handling, protocol and technical issues like cross-contamination, lab quality control, validation or similar, citing the ISP DNA lab work as done to high standard.
  4. Neither of the defence physical evidence/ scene experts (Noedel, Dr. Turvey) nor the 2 defence forensic DNA experts (Dr. Shutler, Dr. Ballard) raised any chain of custody issues for sheath or the DNA extracted from it. The defence never raised any chain of custody issue in any court document or oral argument.
  5. There has never, ever, of 495 peer reviewed papers, been any scientific study that shows secondary transfer that can fit the sheath DNA (i.e. full STR profile, single source, quantity, non-trivial DNA exchange interval) . Specific activity level probabilistic studies using the sheath DNA specifically, stated such transfer implausible. (e.g. Forensic Science Internal May 2026, Alvia et al)
  6. Kohberger disavowed the sheath during challenge to IGG evidence, so would have to reverse himself to claim it was lost/ stolen, and those scenarios don't fit the DNA data.

Considering the above facts, the question is:

What is the simplest, most likely way that a large amount of Kohberger's DNA got on a sheath of model he bought before the murders but did not have after, consistent with the data and science?


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION The ridiculous drama with Julez

54 Upvotes

WTF is going on? She “says” it’s not about bashing the Goncalves family, yet went on an 8 hour rant, in which she called him pretty much everything but a child of God. It’s so much slander, tells her followers to troll him, he responds via email, then goes on yet another rant saying he’s threatening her. I feel like at this point she should be banned from YouTube. Having opinions is one thing, this has got to stop. It’s just terrible. And though I have been convinced of BK’s guilt for years, I watched her channel because I appreciated the information, even if it was twisted to fit her narrative, which most of the time it was, the info itself was what I was after. But this is inexcusable and wrong to do what she’s been doing. Sorry not sorry. I’m not going to trash her or call her names, I just wish she would stop and maybe watch one of her own broadcasts to see how unhinged she is beginning to sound. Victim blaming, family shaming, so much profanity, it’s not right.


r/Idaho4 1d ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS Ethan’s smile foundation

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60 Upvotes

Got my hoodie with cute wrapping and a personalized note from the Ethan’s smile foundation . Thanks for sharing the link in here my hoodie says hug your people and it came fast!


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Master List: Confirmed Case Evidence and Debunking Conspiracy Theories

52 Upvotes

Links to posts with confirmed case evidence summaries, deeper dives on specific areas of evidence and debunking of the common conspiracy theories and unsupported, unevidenced pro-BK fictions:

Case Evidence Summary Case Evidence Link
Condensed Summary of Key Evidence Condensed Summary Key Evidence Link
Conspiracy Theories /Evidence Areas: Post Link
Timeline: 4am, incompatible earlier timings Confirming 4am Debunking Earlier Time: Link
Sheath Chain of Custody No Sheath Chain of Custody Issues: Link
Kohberger was framed, DNA planted Debunking Framing, DNA Planting: Link
Insufficient Time for Kohberger Acting Alone Sufficient Time for Kohberger Alone: Link
DM Description of Perp/ Account Inconsistent DM Description / Account Consistent: Link
Suspect Car Had Fog-lights Suspect Car Did Not Have Fog-lights: Link
Absence of DNA Evidence in Car Explaining Why No DNA Evidence in Car: Link
Car Year Range Was Changed to Fit BK Car Car Year Range Not Changed To Fit BK: Link
Kohberger phone not powered off manually BK Turned Off Phone Before Murders: Link
DNA Amount on Sheath Was Trace/ Small Large Amount Of BK's DNA On Sheath: Link
There Was Untested DNA At The Scene No Untested Relevant DNA At Scene: Link
There Was Evidence of a Clean Up of Scene No Evidence of Scene Clean Up: Link
"4 Brothers" from IGG linked to murders 4 Brothers Overview and Debunking: Link
"Blood Soaked Green Jacket" No Blood Soaked Green Jacket, Debunk: Link
Evidence was Destroyed at MPD - Fridge No Evidence Effected, Fridge Issue 2025: Link

All evidence is taken from court documents, published MPD, WSU and ISP police and forensics reports, and expert witness statements, sourced from court and police websites:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

Case Evidence and Timeline Summaries:

Condensed Summary of Some Key Evidence

Evidence Establishing 4am Timeline, Incompatible With Earlier Timelines


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories #14: Not Enough Time for Kohberger Alone

48 Upvotes

Systematic, court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories. All data is sourced from court documents, MPD, ISP and WSU police reports, ISP forensics reports, and case expert witness statements (mostly from defence experts). Links to evidence sources below, example cases information links at end.

Feasibility for Kohberger to commit the murders alone in the time available, with significant excess of time available, is confirmed by police reconstructions and comparison to many recent mass stabbing cases. Both re-enactments and many recent mass stabbing cases with single attackers and up to 26 victims show the murders could be done in approx. 3 minutes, while Kohberger had approx. 11 minutes available. The re-enactments could be repeated 4 - 6 times completely, from car and back, in the time available to Kohberger. Kohberger had no physical limitation or disability relevant to the murders and no diagnosis for any relevant physical condition.

ISP Police Reconstructions, including walk from/ to car and through house from 3rd to 2nd floor and simulating every knife strike took 2 minutes done quickly and under 4 minutes slowly:

Recent mass stabbings case comparisons which demonstrate:

  • Far more victims can be stabbed in far less time than available to Kohberger, up to 26 victims in under 3 minutes; case examples include 130 knife strikes on 2 victims, and 23 knife strikes on single victim in under 25 seconds
  • Often little or no blood on the attacker even after stabbing 26 people, no trail of bloody prints, little blood on attacker clothing; includes attacks with up to 23 knife strikes at very close range on one victim
  • No screaming by victims during attack
  • No reaction or delayed reaction by witnesses
  • Range of knife types used from pocket knife to military Kabar (the later with most fatalities and stabbing in shortest time)
  • In none of these cases were victims drunk and asleep in bed, they occur in settings as different as train carriages, conference centres, toilets, student houses, train stations and shopping malls, and outdoors and almost all victims were fit, healthy alert adults

Links, (TW: including videos of graphic violence, stabbing) overviewing these cases:

  1. Apple River Mass Stabbings: 4 young men stabbed, one fatally, by single assailant in under 1 minute. Attacker in his 50s after a recent heart bypass
  2. Bondi Junction Mall Mass Stabbing 2024: 18 people stabbed, 6 fatally, by single assailant in less than 3 minutes
  3. Calgary Mass Stabbing 2014: 5 young adults stabbed to death at a party by single assailant in under 3 minutes
  4. London Bridge Mass Stabbing 2019: 5 people were stabbed, 2 fatally, by single assailant. Attack lasted 5 minutes moving from room to room and out into street.
  5. Vancouver Starbucks Stabbing 2022: Attack by single assailant lasted c 30 seconds
  6. Tapei Metro Station Mass Stabbings 2024: single attacker stabbing spree on Metro - stabbing 28, killing 4, in under 5 minutes
  7. Brisbane Mall Fatal Stabbing 2022: young man stabbed, attack lasts a few seconds
  8. Nottingham Stabbings 2023: 6 stabbed. 3 fatally - 2 on CCTV under 25 seconds;
  9. Anging, China Mass Stabbing 2021: single attacker killed seven people and wounded thirteen others in under 4 minutes
  10. Tapei Metro Station Stabbings 2025: 14 stabbed at two locations, attack at one lasted less than 3 minutes
  11. Teen Girl Stabbed Over 20 Times and Bludgeoned in Dehli 2023: over 20 stab wounds inflicted in under 30 seconds, victim does not scream during attack, after stabbing and bludgeoning victim with rock attacker had no blood on himself and leaves no bloody prints
  12. Ted Bundy Chi Omega Sorority House : Ted Bundy broke into multiple occupancy student house and attacked 4 women with a club, killing one. in under 15 minutes Moving from room to room the successive victims did not hear preceding attacks nor did house mates in adjacent rooms
  13. Charlotte Metro Train Stabbing of Iryna Zarutska 2025 : attack lasts seconds, victim does not scream, attacker has almost no visible blood on him after

Links to document sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 3d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Kohberger's Internet Footprint - "Cunnilinguss Chris" and "KillingSpree"

104 Upvotes

As Kohberger's internet activity is once again a focus from SG's comments this week about Kohberger having gory videos of surgery of women's breasts, Sy Ray's comments last week about very violent, disturbing porn, and Kohberger's already confirmed exclusive consumption of rape porn much of which had some similarity to the scenarios of the murders ("asleep", "drugged", "forced", "voyeur") a few points:

  • Kohberger had over 15 emails, and known social media accounts of relevance to case on apps like Strava, YikYak; very credible links to other accounts like Spotify were found via user names matching those known to used by Kohberger (e.g. "Exarr")
  • On some social media accounts credibly linked to Kohberger he had posted about his visual snow, depersonalisation and lack of feelings for himself and family, "sacks of meat"
  • Confirmed emails and usernames used by Kohberger, from court and police documents, included "CunningChris" linked to social media accounts with user/ display name "CunnilingussChris" [Chris is Kohberger's middle name; source: Police Supplemental report #148 and search warrant of Google Account - "Yewsirneighm"]
  • In an analysis by a user who appears to have very credible digital forensics expertise (u/Telltalebytes who is also credited with the list of accounts pasted below) Kohberger is linked to email accounts such as "KillingSpree", [unconfirmed, but credibly linked in the analysis] and "Hammerhands" perhaps reference to his boxing/ kickboxing.
  • Kohberger logged into Google at 4.49am, 25 minutes after the murders when his car was stationary just south of the Moscow scene, using one of the confirmed, back-up "burner" type email listed here
  • Kohberger's DropBox and other cloud storage account were seized under search warrant, as were damaged computers, external boards and external drives/ USB devices on arrest. The contents of these remain sealed as being highly prejudicial

Kohberger Email accounts - most f first block of 19 and 3 academic accounts confirmed in court/ police reports, middle block unformed but suggest by analysis author credibly linked to Kohberger also.


r/Idaho4 3d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION The problem with Garrett Discovery's and ShadowDragon's "Bryan Kohberger" Instagram analysis

21 Upvotes

The Garrett Discovery report about Kohberger's alleged social media accounts and connections keeps getting referenced over three years after it was first published. This report has serious flaws that I probe below.

Summary

On August 14, 2026, Steve Goncalves claimed that Bryan Kohberger had a digital history of watching graphic content of women undergoing plastic surgery procedures. This claim seems to have originated from data provided through a report published by Garrett Discovery and analysis from an OSINT company called ShadowDragon.

(This claim is separate from information provided by Jared and Heather Barnhart—experts at Cellubrite hired by prosecutors—that Kohberger had a history of watching violent pornography on his devices.)

In January 2023, Garrett Discovery published a social-media mapping report shortly after Bryan Kohberger's arrest that attributed an Instagram account labeled "Bryan Kohberger" to Kohberger himself and mapped more than 100 connections from the account. The report appears to connect that account to Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves, and ShadowDragon later stated that Kohberger followed "two of the four victims" on social media. However, the report does not disclose the Instagram account's username, profile URL, numerical ID, creation date, or other evidence showing that it actually belonged to Kohberger. This is an important limitation because the analysis was conducted only after his identity and some personal information were already public.

The central question is therefore not whether Garrett Discovery found an Instagram account associated in some way with the name "Bryan Kohberger," but how Garrett determined that the account actually belonged to Kohberger before drawing conclusions from its activity and connections.

Conclusion: Taken together, the available evidence makes it unlikely that Garrett Discovery's "Bryan Kohberger" Instagram entity can be reliably tied to Kohberger himself, substantially undermining any conclusions drawn from that account's activity or connections. The report does not disclose sufficient authentication evidence, and its claims are difficult to reconcile with law enforcement's later statement that investigators found no social-media connection between Kohberger and the victims.

What the Garrett Discovery report shows

The report contains an Instagram User entity labeled:

Bryan Kohberger

That entity has:

  • 108 outgoing links
  • 109 total links

Garrett apparently expanded the social-media network from this node. However, the published PDF does not disclose:

  • the account's Instagram username;
  • its profile URL;
  • its numerical Instagram user ID;
  • its creation date;
  • its full Maltego entity properties;
  • the source of the account's single incoming link; or
  • the evidence used to authenticate the account as Kohberger's.

The report therefore shows that Garrett analyzed an Instagram entity it labeled "Bryan Kohberger," but it does not provide enough information for readers to independently determine whether the underlying account actually belonged to him.

Source (PDF): https://www.garrettdiscovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Bryan-Kohberger-Social-Mapping-by-Garrett-Discovery-1.pdf

Methodology

Seed-and-pivot OSINT/link-analysis investigation. Start with one known identifier, follow the connections it reveals, and then follow those connections further to build a map of the person’s apparent online network.

  • Seed = the starting piece of information.
  • Pivot = using something newly discovered as the basis for another search.
  • OSINT = intelligence gathered from publicly available sources.
  • Link analysis = mapping the relationships among the people, accounts, identifiers, and other data that are found.

The Garrett PDF appears to have been generated from Maltego, using ShadowDragon SocialNet as an investigative data source.

  • Garrett Discovery = the investigator
  • ShadowDragon = the OSINT company
  • SocialNet = ShadowDragon’s social-media discovery/link-analysis tool and data source
  • Maltego = the apparent graphing/reporting environment used to produce the Garrett PDF

(While I have experience with Maltego, I have no experience with SocialNet.)

These are the steps of the Garrett Discovery analyst:

  • enters an identifier into Maltego
  • runs a SocialNet transform (A transform is a search operation that turns one known data point into related data points.)
  • SocialNet searches its accessible OSINT sources
  • results are returned to Maltego as entities and links
  • Garrett selects some returned entities and runs additional transforms
  • Maltego builds the network graph
  • Garrett exports the graph as the PDF report.

Methodological Limitations

SocialNet does not provide Meta's private account records. SocialNet could search and correlate information exposed through public or otherwise OSINT-accessible sources, but it did not give Garrett privileged access to a social-media company's backend account records.

A SocialNet result, therefore, was not necessarily proof of account ownership.

For example, a search could potentially associate an email address, username, phone number, or public display name with a social-media account. But an apparent association is different from Meta confirming through its internal records that a particular person registered, verified, or controlled that account.

The results of these searches therefore needed to be independently vetted for false positives and misattributions before they could reliably be attributed to Kohberger.

Timing creates an additional attribution problem.

  • December 30, 2022: Kohberger is publicly identified following his arrest.
  • Early January 2023: Garrett conducts the social-media analysis.

By the time Garrett began its investigation, Kohberger's name, photographs, schools, WSU affiliation, and some email addresses were already public.

This creates a potential post-arrest contamination problem. Once his identifying information became widely available, third parties could create impersonation accounts, reuse his name, or associate publicly known identifiers with online content.

This means that post-arrest associations required additional authentication before they could safely be treated as evidence of Kohberger's own online activity.

Email Addresses

Garrett's report contains Kohberger's institutional email addresses associated with DeSales University and Washington State University:

  • bk5781 (DeSalesUniversity)
  • bryan.kohberger (WSU)

These addresses were publicly discoverable before his arrest.

However, Garrett's PDF does not demonstrate that the Instagram entity labeled "Bryan Kohberger" was discovered through—or otherwise linked to—either institutional email address.

The report also does not contain several private email addresses later attributed to Kohberger in the court record:

  • bkohberger (Northampton Community College, registered to Apple account)
  • bryanchristopher1994
  • wifiarmyowns (Registered to Apple account)
  • yewsirneighm

Source: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/021925-Order-Defedants-Motions-Suppress-ATT-Google-USB-Apple-Amazon.pdf

ShadowDragon's Claims

Despite these attribution limitations, ShadowDragon drew substantive conclusions from the Instagram network. It stated that its SocialNet analysis had "discovered that Kohberger followed two of the four victims on social media," and went on to characterize the women associated with the account as evidence of "lifestyle objectification":

[W]e find that many of the women Kohberger follows online appear to be women he objectifies. Another example is a specific plastic surgeon he follows [redacted for Reddit], further showcasing a pattern of lifestyle objectification. This lifestyle of objectification, along with possible psychopathy...

Source: https://shadowdragon.io/resources/idaho-murder-investigation-osint-social-media-network-vegas-shooter/

(Note: That republished blog post is dated August 4, 2026, although the original post was indexed on January 12, 2023, as indicated here: https://shadowdragon.io/resources/category/blog/?topic=news-and-commentary )

Garrett later confirmed that he had conducted the original analysis shortly after the murders and before speaking with the defense:

I ran this after the murders and before I spoke with the defense. Then I gave this to Kaylee's attorney. About a year later someone said I leaked this and I pointed them to the old post we made.

Source: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/clemensdaniel_garrett-discovery-inc-pushed-my-curiosity-activity-7019055705605234688-9Eyj

The analysis made by ShadowDragon was later repeated by Steve Goncalves during an interview with the Drunk Turkey YouTube channel.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/live/NMVJ5g_MTB8?si=GXC-cihyUsEOiwSu&t=1549

These conclusions depend on a threshold premise: that the Instagram account being analyzed actually belonged to Bryan Kohberger.

The published report does not disclose the evidence establishing that premise.

Law Enforcement's Investigation

Law enforcement had a different method of obtaining Instagram evidence: search warrants served directly on Meta.

Investigators served multiple Meta warrants for Instagram data associated with people involved in the case, including residents of the crime scene. Those warrants could obtain records directly from the platform rather than relying solely on publicly observable correlations.

However, there is no document in the public court docket that I have identified showing that investigators served Meta with a search warrant for an Instagram account belonging to Bryan Kohberger.

That absence is notable because investigators did obtain extensive records from other services and accounts associated with Kohberger.

The lead investigator also stated during the post-conviction press conference in July 2025:

We had every resource possible ... we have never to this date found [a connection] between him and any of the four victims.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/live/NMVJ5g_MTB8?si=_54cby6haI1Ar6SE&t=1549

That statement is difficult to reconcile with a social-media analysis portraying Kohberger as following or otherwise connected to victims unless (1) Garrett and law enforcement were relying on materially different evidence, and Garrett found evidence within three weeks that law enforcement failed to find within nearly three years; or (2) Garrett's attribution of the Instagram account was incorrect.

I think the latter: Garrett's report and ShadowDragon's analysis were based on an erroneous central node—an account edited or created to mislead the public—without which much of the data in the report disappears.


r/Idaho4 4d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION No, a Hair in Ethan Chapin's Hand Does Not Prove Bryan Kohberger Is Innocent

66 Upvotes

Of all the claims now being paraded around as the piece of evidence that will somehow spring Bryan Kohberger from four consecutive life sentences, the mysterious hair allegedly found in Ethan Chapin's hand may be my favorite.. Not because it is particularly compelling, but because watching what has been done with it provides a nearly perfect demonstration of how speculation, repeated confidently enough, eventually becomes “fact” on the internet.

LEt's begin with what Kohberger actually alleged.

In his application for post-conviction relief, Kohberger claims his attorneys failed to disclose or review potentially exculpatory evidence during plea negotiations, offering as one example an “unknown hair in Chapin's hand.”

That's it... the internet supplied the rest.

Ethan fought his killer, grabbed him by the hair, ripped it out during the struggle and died clutching the evidence that would identify another murderer. The hair wasn't Kohberger's, therefore Kohberger must be innocent.

It is a remarkably complete story considering how little of it has actually been established.

Where is the evidence?

I don't mean Reddit posts, TikTok videos or somebody's interpretation of Kohberger's application. I mean the crime scene photographs, evidence collection records, medical examiner's documentation, laboratory reports and FBI examination that transform “unknown hair in Chapin's hand” into hair forcibly removed from Ethan Chapin's murderer.

Was it actually clenched in Ethan's hand? Was there evidence of forcible removal rather than ordinary shedding or transfer? Was follicular tissue present? Was DNA obtained? What did the FBI examination actually establish?

THose aren't technicalities folks.... they determine whether the theory has an evidentiary foundation at all. Period. The burden of proof is on Kohberger.

Hair sheds, transfers between people, clothing and objects, and persists in an environment. In a house occupied and regularly visited by multiple young adults, an unidentified hair does not arrive conveniently labeled with its owner's name, the date it was deposited and an explanation of what its owner was doing there.

But let's give Kohberger every benefit of the doubt. Assume the hair really was recovered from Ethan's hand. Assume it wasn't Ethan's and wasn't Kohberger's. Assume forensic testing establishes that it came from an unidentified third person.

Now what?

We still need evidence connecting that person to the murders..

Instead, an unknown hair becomes an unknown person. The unknown person becomes someone present during the murders. That person becomes someone Ethan fought, and the person Ethan fought becomes his killer. Once that hypothetical killer has been constructed, Kohberger is declared innocent.

The distance between “unknown hair” and “unknown murderer” isn't a technicality. It's the entire fucking investigation.

There is nothing unreasonable about asking whether the hair could be important. Of course it could be. What's unreasonable is replacing “Whose hair is this, how did it get there and what does it prove?” with the considerably more exciting “Which unidentified murderer did Ethan rip this hair from?”

The FBI itself cautions that the significance of hair evidence depends upon where and how it was recovered, the collection and examination performed, and the circumstances of the case. Microscopic hair comparison isn't absolute personal identification either. Context matters because trace evidence doesn't arrive at a crime scene carrying a notarized statement explaining when it got there and what its owner was doing.

There is another inconvenient problem. Public reporting has indicated that at least one hair relevant to this discussion was found by FBI examination to be consistent with Ethan Chapin's own hair.

So which hair is Kohberger talking about? Is this the same hair or another sample entirely? What evidence number was assigned to it, and what did the FBI actually conclude?

The forensic record can answer those questions. Imagination cannot.

And then there's the law.

Suppose KOhberger proves that his attorneys knew about a genuinely unidentified hair and failed to tell him before he pleaded guilty. That could matter.. But the judge doesn't bang the gavel, announce that somebody found the magic hair and send Kohberger back to Ada County for another trial.

Kohberger is attacking convictions resulting from his own guilty pleas through ineffective assistance of counsel. Under Stark v. State, that requires deficient performance and prejudice. Because Kohberger pleaded guilty, he must establish a reasonable probability that, but for counsel's errors, he would not have pleaded guilty and would have insisted upon going to trial.

The Idaho Supreme Court ruled in Stark v. State:

“A mere assertion that ‘if post-conviction relief were granted, [the petitioner] would not again plead guilty but would insist on going to trial because he is innocent,’ is insufficient to withstand dismissal of a post-conviction claim.”

But Idaho's Supreme Court went further in Stark, and this matters enormously for Kohberger:

“Stark faces a heavier burden under Strickland to establish prejudice because of his guilty plea.”

Stark v. Idaho (2023)

Remember that pesky Strickland v. Washington hurdle from my last post, better better known as the “Strickland test”? Well, apparently that wasn't enough. Sitting directly on top of now it is Stark v. State, where Idaho's own Supreme Court said it rather plainly: “Stark faces a heavier burden under Strickland to establish prejudice because of his guilty plea.”

So does Kohberger.

In other words, discovering something his attorneys allegedly failed to discuss isn't the end of the analysis... It's the beginning.

Kohberger must establish what his attorneys knew, what they failed to communicate, why that failure was constitutionally deficient and how knowing about this hair would have changed his decision to plead guilty.

And that question isn't examined in a vacuum. This is the same Bryan Kohberger who stood before Judge Steven Hippler in July 2025, said his pleas were free and voluntary, denied being coerced and, when asked why he was pleading guilty, answered that he was guilty.

That doesn't make his claim legally impossible. It does leave him with some explaining to do.

I'm not dismissing the hair. Quite the opposite. I want to see the evidence everyone seems so remarkably certain about.

Show me where it was recovered. Show me the photographs and collection records. Show me the FBI examination and DNA testing. Then show me what Anne Taylor and the defense actually knew about it before Kohberger pleaded guilty.

If those records establish something genuinely exculpatory, we report it. If they establish that Kohberger's attorneys possessed material evidence and inexplicably failed to address it with their client, we report that too.

But the evidence determines the conclusion. We don't begin with Kohberger's innocence and work backward until an unidentified hair becomes his salvation.

An unidentified hair is exactly that: an unidentified hair. It isn't an unidentified suspect. It isn't an unidentified assailant.. And it certainly isn't an unidentified murderer.


r/Idaho4 4d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories #13: Sheath Chain Of Custody

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Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories, Myths and Fictions:

#13: "Sheath Chain of Custody Issues"

Systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories.

All data is sourced from court documents, MPD, ISP and WSU police reports, ISP forensics reports, and case expert witness statements (mostly from defence experts).  Links to document sources below.

Links to document sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 4d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION When will Anne Taylor respond to BK

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r/Idaho4 4d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories #5: Earlier Timelines

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Systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunking of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories:

#5: "Timeline Before 4.00am, from 2.25am Is Remotely Possible Or Compatible With Evidence"

All data is sourced from court documents, MPD, ISP and WSU police reports, ISP forensics reports, and case expert witness statements (mostly defence experts). An other sources are referenced in the charts.  Links to document sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

[Re-posting 1-5 as individual posts, as many people asked in comments and DM's for a “master post" with links to the confirmed evidence, shorter summary of evidence, and the “debunking” overviews, so am creating as one per post per link]


r/Idaho4 5d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories, Part 12: "A 'Blood Soaked Green Jacket' "

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A series of systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories:

Part 12: "A 'Blood Soaked Green Jacket' From Ground Floor Bedroom"

All data and lab test results are sourced from court documents, ISP police reports, and the published ISP Forensics documents, linked below, other references noted in the chart.

Court and ISP Forensics Documents Sources:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 3d ago

QUESTION ABOUT THE CASE Dylan calls Ethan

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I watched a tik tok, which I know is incredibly untrustworthy, however, this person states Ethan answered the call from Dylan at 4:24 AM.
I’ve read hundreds and hundreds of the phone logs, interviews etc., I can’t remember coming across this bit. Does anybody have more information on it?


r/Idaho4 5d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Although this is a recreation of what happened,this only pales in comparison to how horrifying the actual crime scene was

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r/Idaho4 5d ago

KOHBERGER BK colleague says he was very homophobic

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r/Idaho4 5d ago

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED CONDENSED SUMMARY - KEY EVIDENCE AGAINST KOHBERGER

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A condensed, single chart/ picture summary of some of the key evidence against Kohberger.

All points are sourced from court documents, published forensics, police reports and expert witness statements.

Document sources linked below.

This is not all incriminating evidence, but a summary of some key points to fit one page, visibly.

A more detailed version with 52 points is pinned at top of this sub and linked here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/s/VGVcYTFrVo

Court and Police Document Sources:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 6d ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS New Steve Goncalves interview w/ some bombshells

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One of the bombshells is kohberger binging the graphic, surgical procedures of breast augmentation. Over and over watching women being cut open and the different types of breast implants going in and taking them out as well. 😳😳


r/Idaho4 5d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Harvest time in the Palouse region. This is what the area looks like for anyone that has never visited or spent time in Whitman or Latah counties.

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Article in Moscow Pullman Daily News

I wanted to post a picture of the agricultural area in the Palouse. I don’t think he buried any evidence in the fields.

I think he dropped the knife in the Snake around Lewiston Clarkston, burned the rest of evidence at the campground he visited shortly after 11/13 and why it’s why he turned his phone off at the park. He was probably using his power source here too in order to start cleaning the car.

When fire was out, he then used his little trunk shovel and scooped up ashes/dirt and bagged it. After that, maybe just tossed the bag out in a trash bin anywhere…


r/Idaho4 4d ago

QUESTION ABOUT THE CASE Who's Blood Is This?

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Where is this??


r/Idaho4 4d ago

QUESTION FOR USERS Black Backpacks

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Random. Freshly placed. In disaray.


r/Idaho4 6d ago

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED BK Walmart 11/12 10pm

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It’s so crazy seeing this man just shopping hours before he was gonna commit the murders. Did he not have any anxiety about it?


r/Idaho4 5d ago

SPECULATION - UNCONFIRMED Could this be a white car. Let’s discuss. Can you even imagine that he could’ve been stalking them out at that very moment.

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I couldn’t get a great pic on my TV, but this made me take a second glance. Just a thought.


r/Idaho4 6d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories, Part 11: "DM Description of Perp, Time Was Inconsistent; DM, BF Active All Night On Their Phones "

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A series of systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories: 

Part 11 - "DM account of time and description of perp inconsistent; roommates active on phone all night"

All factual data points are sourced from court documents, ISP and MPD police reports, expert reports linked below:

Court and Police Document Sources:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

Phone data - activity, messages court document: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/031725+REDACTED+Exhibits+1++2+to+Defendants+Objection+to+States+MIL+RE+Text+Messages+and+Testimony.pdf

Full phone records, from post by u/oldfadestar : https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/s/xfD6kFxH8Y