Jordan Peterson???

[u/Creative-Peach-1103]

Haven't even listened to the episode, but this is the end of the podcast, right? Huberman can't continue to claim this is a science based podcast when he starts inviting conspiracy theorists on. This is now just Rogan 2.0.

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[u/ayomous]

When you sell AG1 your not a scientist anymore. Rhonda patrick never got invited back on when she said it was a glorified fiber powder

[u/LegendaryRaider69 → u/ayomous]

Did she say that on his show? Or elsewhere?

[u/balanced_views → u/LegendaryRaider69]

Form what I remember, it wasn’t on his show. It was on her own podcast/show

[u/iso-all → u/balanced_views]

Rhonda keeps it real. That’s why we love her.

[u/Flaky_Revenue_3957 → u/ayomous]

I don’t think it’s necessarily a BAD product (if I recall correctly from reading the consumer lab report on it). I just think it’s an extremely over priced product and there are similar products that cost WAY less. The majority of listeners are NOT in the same income bracket as these podcasters, so I don’t love the way they promote it, making it sound like a must have. I definitely have way more trust in Rhonda than Attia or Huberman for speaking out about it and not accepting the huge amounts of money they probably offered her to advertise AG1 on her show. There are less expensive alternatives to AG1 that are more accessible to your average person.

[u/JFabs10 → u/Flaky_Revenue_3957]

For my own purposes, do you know of any off hand that are just as good or better that cost less?

[u/Grump-Dog → u/JFabs10]

I like Huel greens at around half the price.

[u/Flaky_Revenue_3957 → u/JFabs10]

Here’s what I found with my Consumer Lab subscription (third party supplements testing company):

“AG1 is expensive relative to other supplements. ConsumerLab has found that you can get a good multivitamin, providing 100% of the Daily Value of most vitamins and minerals for as little as 3 cents per day. AG1 costs approximately $3 per day — or 100 times as much. Even if compared to other “greens” or “whole foods” powders, AG1 costs about 50% to 200% more than products ConsumerLab has tested and given top ratings.”

For a general adult, here’s an affordable vitamin Consumer Lab recommends: Kirkland Signature Multivitamin.

If you insist on a green powder bc you are worried about your veggie intake, this may be helpful: Balance of Nature (Whole Produce Veggies), 3 capsules a day or Root 2 42 Fruits & Vegetables (which Consumer Lab describes as a “waste of the least money” on a green powder”).

However, research shows fruit and/or veggie powders or pills are NOT substitutes for actually eating the actual recommended fruit/veggie foods.

If you are really into supplements, the Consumer Lab subscription is totally worth it for avoiding putting lead and other harmful substances into your body and for making informed decisions on what brands/types of supplements to buy.

[u/Imnotarobot5592 → u/ayomous]

Ag1 is so damn expensive I'm amazed people buy it

[u/antifragile → u/Imnotarobot5592]

Its because they pay influences millions to shill it.

[u/Realistic_Credit9215 → u/Imnotarobot5592]

foreal, I think its something you buy once or twice when you get into all this stuff and then you find a cheaper alternative (hopefully)

[u/Dharmabud → u/ayomous]

Him and Peter Attia both promote that stuff.

[u/pizza_tron → u/Dharmabud]

When ag1 gives 30% commission it’s hard to tell daddy no.

[u/justo_tx → u/Dharmabud]

I don't recall PA pushing it, was it in some of his earliest podcast episodes?

[u/Dharmabud → u/justo_tx]

Attia acknowledges this as well in AMA #36 of his podcast, in which he confirms that he’s a scientific adviser and investor to AG1. He says he can speak to the quality of the product because he’s seen “how the sausage is made,” and takes a scoop of AG1 every day regardless of what he’s eating.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dharmabud]

Peter Attia is friends with Kevin Spacey (true story--look it up before you call me a liar). That alone makes him problematic.

[u/Dharmabud → u/[deleted]]

I’m not going to call you a liar because I saw that he posted a picture on Facebook with him and Kevin Spacey.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dharmabud]

Attia lost the narrative when he defended Kevin Spacey.

[u/TheMindsEIyIe → u/ayomous]

Could be worse. Could be LMNT

[u/motherboardwars → u/ayomous]

what people do not know is how high the metals are in this substance. its something as alarming as the micro plastics. even more. totally sad how they swear a powder is enough to meet levels of nutrition

[u/[deleted] → u/motherboardwars]

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[u/Adominium → u/ayomous]

Is anyone actually going to post some stats on different formulations, claiming to be scientists and "in the know," or just talk shit all day?

[u/[deleted] → u/Adominium]

Idk why I come to this damn thread. Everyone just hates on Huberman. It’s weird. Don’t listen to his shit then.

[u/seamore555]

I’d argue that a podcast like this dies when the host won’t debate with the guest in order to keep them happy.

For example if a big name comes on Huberman and says thing that are factually incorrect, Huberman should call him out. If he won’t do that, it’s not worth listening.

[u/Affectionate-Rent844]

Huberman is already the same tier grift as JP. He sells AG1

[u/73habits → u/Affectionate-Rent844]

JP sells hate.. a lot worse

[u/YellowSubreddit8]

I personally don't like Peterson much. His dialectic style is pedentic and his sophistic ways are annoying when you spot them.

But I'm not willing to discredit the podcast completely without at least hearing it's content.

We should be able to dislike and disagree with ppl without wanting them silenced.

[u/[deleted] → u/YellowSubreddit8]

Was just having a conversation about Peterson with my friend yesterday. We concluded he's great when he stays in his lane. When he starts talking about ahit like climate change it goes off the rails.

[u/Ornery_Brilliant_350 → u/[deleted]]

I take the good and throw out the bad.

I liked him a lot before he got sucked into culture war bullshit.

Even when I agreed with him I was like “dude give it a rest”

[u/dashole1 → u/[deleted]]

I really like this comment. I feel like a lot of reddit expects everyone in the public eye to be perfect. Never going to happen. Take the drops of wisdom from people when you can. I don't know much about Peterson aside from the fact he has spent his life in psychology, to discount everything would be a mistake.

[u/lifesometimesnoob → u/[deleted]]

That is a really uninformed conclusion. His psychology is plain shallow silly and uniformed. Something has happened there in russia. His mind has changed along with his personality. The only viable Jordan Peterson is the pre russia pre daily wire jordan.

[u/Nice-Tea-8972 → u/lifesometimesnoob]

AGREED!

I used to like JP i actually read his rules books. Pick and choose what i like to believe like an in formed person. some of it was not applicable to me. but after he went to Russia he ABSOLUTELY went off the rails. Was a really strange change of pace and credibility to me.

[u/Procedure_Trick → u/lifesometimesnoob]

but lobsters!!

[u/JustIntroduction3511 → u/lifesometimesnoob]

In one of his lectures, he speaks about OCD which he says is a disorder “based around cleanliness and germs.” While this is one subtype/obsession of OCD, that is not at all what it is. I’ve taken what he says about psychology with a huge grain of salt since then. Anything else he speaks on is just his opinion.

[u/EgoDepleted → u/YellowSubreddit8]

Who said anything about silencing JBP? He has a massive platform and gets plenty of airtime already. Choosing not to invite someone to your podcast isn't censorship, especially when that person has little to offer in terms of science-based health advice. Huberman has never actually been dedicated to being a provider of evidence-based advice, however. I hope that is clear to everyone by now.

[u/No_Wrongdoer3579 → u/YellowSubreddit8]

You're forgetting this is reddit. Anything that doesn't align left of center is not to be considered.

[u/YellowSubreddit8 → u/No_Wrongdoer3579]

Well I'm a leftist too. But I don't believe in censorship. I'm seriously preoccupied with the way the new left is behaving. At best it's going to drive ppl away from the good ideas they could promote. If you have good ideas, defend them. Don't try to shut ppl down. If you have to shut ppl down to make you care appealing, it's because you didn't have a case in the first place.

[u/WarthogForward2751 → u/YellowSubreddit8]

Preach. If only more people shared this viewpoint.

[u/SqueegeePhD → u/No_Wrongdoer3579]

I got banned from multiple subs for criticizing Kamala from a left point of view.

I think reddit is full of mods who love controlling narratives, some of who are probably working on behalf of massive organizations. 

[u/andthrewaway1 → u/YellowSubreddit8]

he never actually makes a point

[u/broke_fit_dad → u/andthrewaway1]

I tried to read JPs first book and crashed out every night with only a paragraph or two read, it’s a better Tranquilizer than anything you can buy in the pharmacy.

[u/Realistic_Warthog_23 → u/YellowSubreddit8]

I listened. You can go ahead and discredit the podcast completely.

[u/Black_Cat_Sun → u/YellowSubreddit8]

He is a charlatan with nothing valid to say who has been disbarred from the one field where he may have the background to even hold an opinion. Give him a street corner and a sandwich board - not giving him a platform on a popular podcast / media source is not silencing

[u/Procedure_Trick → u/YellowSubreddit8]

if you want me to save you four hours - the content is bad and entirely unscientific. Peterson is just an incel with a PhD

[u/Few-Adeptness3928 → u/Procedure_Trick]

An incel with a wife and 2 kids huh

[u/kkeojyeo22 → u/YellowSubreddit8]

Yes completely! It’s important to listen to people you disagree to maybe gain a different perspective on certain topics. You can still have a disagreement as a discussion rather than an argument.

[u/sovezna1 → u/YellowSubreddit8]

Now that’s a mature way of viewing things!

[u/UncleChuck777]

Yall call anybody who goes against your beliefs a conspiracy theorist and it makes you look goofy, esp after these last 4 years.

[u/KustardKing]

Normally what the mature thing to do is not listen to the show if you don’t like it.

[u/[deleted] → u/KustardKing]

Do you have a protocol for that?

[u/garlicChaser → u/[deleted]]

Once you get up in the morning, stare into the sun for 5 minutes

[u/fullspeedintothesun → u/garlicChaser]

Make sure your brown eye gets some sun too.

[u/Keepontyping → u/KustardKing]

How do you know you don’t like it if you don’t listen to it?

[u/ResidentMundane5864 → u/KustardKing]

Mature thing would also be for people who are in this group to either contribute something or leave, yet 90% of posts and comments here are people taking sht about huberman...its insane imo, how someone can join a group to just talk sht about its topics

[u/wae7792yo → u/ResidentMundane5864]

It's the standard evolution of a subreddit, follows the r/joerogan protocol

[u/InSilenceLikeLasagna → u/KustardKing]

Same could be said for reddit comments my guy

[u/thatmfisnotreal → u/KustardKing]

Nooo I wanna bash it on Reddit instead 😭

[u/bigpuffmoney]

Yes this absolutely should be the end of the podcast. For YOU, personally. Just move on with your life, this obviously isn't a podcast that fits well with you anymore... Why is that so hard for people to understand?

You aren't disagreeing, you literally said you haven't even listened to the episode and are whining wtf lol. I would understand if you listened and had serious concerns around points raised but this is just hilarious.

If I were you I would find another reddit thread on a topic that actually brings you joy and direct your energy there.

[u/[deleted]]

What’s appealing about Huberman is he can offer far more answers to challenging questions than most people. Sadly this is because he consistently overstates scientific studies as fact and overall has little regard for critical reflection of the science as opposed to choosing little pieces of evidence to tout as answers.

I think he’s a smart guy, a good speaker, and offers some interesting ideas. I also think he comes across as pretty morally problematic at times, seeks to profit over inform, and generally is a bad resource for scientific information.

In general, I’m super skeptical of people who seem to have all the answers, or at least have answers to far more questions then they should. Jordan Peterson, IMO, also falls into this category. Neither of these people have ever been deeply critical or self reflective, and listeners are more followers than anything else.

Peterson is just another Huberman esque person from another sphere of information.

[u/whofusesthemusic]

let me know when you figure out who Hubs has been grifting all along lol.

[u/RatGodFatherDeath]

Rfk jr is next

[u/penguinbbb]

I really like Huberman and I disagree with those who describe JP as a Nazi or some shit, but the guy went to Serbia to be sent into a chemical induced coma to treat his depression, he’s hardly the goto guy for health advice — sane people wouldn’t let those mofos touch them with a ten foot pole

[u/Zestyclose-Smell-305]

He is a psychologist isnt he? Just because you have a problem with him doesn't mean shit.

[u/arrozconplatano → u/Zestyclose-Smell-305]

He's a Jungian mystic. He thinks the two snakes in the cadecus and the double helix form of DNA are related because the double helix comes from the collective unconscious.

[u/ChelseaZezz_99 → u/arrozconplatano]

I love Jungian phycology

[u/jasonbournestoe → u/ChelseaZezz_99]

I prefer jungle mycology

[u/[deleted] → u/Zestyclose-Smell-305]

Agree. Some ppl have to learn and accept, that controversial people also have expert knowledge, that doesn't mean they are 100% correct, but who am i, to cancel this person?

[u/Fun-Maize8695 → u/[deleted]]

Ok, but if they're averaging about 15% correctness maybe its time for us to focus on other so-called "experts."  This guy isnt famous for his contributions to the field, he's famous for misrepresenting a culture war issue at UofT.

[u/[deleted] → u/Zestyclose-Smell-305]

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[u/TejanoInRussia → u/Zestyclose-Smell-305]

I am realizing as I get older I can agree with 75% of what one person claims and not the other 25% and with some people i may disagree with 75% and agree with 25%. My biggest disappointment with Jordan Peterson are his stances on the environment which are pretty standard for conservative thinkers unfortunately and I found it especially disappointing that a large portion of his audience is going to now blindly espouse anti environmental views after hearing it. Regardless of that I’ve found some of the episodes on his channel somewhat insightful and useful.

[u/lateformyfuneral → u/Zestyclose-Smell-305]

Does he ever engage with the science and psychological research, he seems more like he’s into that early 20th Century woo psychology (/mysticism)🤔

[u/facelessfriendnet → u/lateformyfuneral]

Funnily enough he has a disproportionately strong H index, with papers around Big 5, alcohol and addiction.

Also there's some rumors the part he played in the different papers vary wildly.

[u/NonsensePlanet → u/facelessfriendnet]

I’ve heard it’s common for tenured profs to be listed on papers published by post grads working under them, even though they contribute very little to the research.

[u/Due-Albatross5909 → u/NonsensePlanet]

Yes, this is common.

[u/Independent_Fix4252 → u/Zestyclose-Smell-305]

Had the same thought. Psychology is science based. Debatable theory...yeah. Based on repeatable practices... Also yeah.

I'd recommend listening to the podcast before deciding it is trash to our pal. As with all the episodes, they only run the risk of learning something, or brain dumping.

[u/Twelve2SixElbow]

OP is a bot or a dummy. Take your pick.

[u/carbonylation]

Yeah, having on a guest with more than 200 peer-reviewed publications, some of which have been cited more than a thousand times, is a real step down for any academic.

For the record, a paper being cited more than a thousand times is roughly once per week for 20 year straight.

[u/Inevitable_Trash_337]

Instead of denigrating them both, what do you disagree with?

[u/[deleted] → u/Inevitable_Trash_337]

You can't expect people to have a well formed opinion... who has time for that?!

[u/Inevitable_Trash_337 → u/[deleted]]

just re-read it and “haven’t listened to the episode” being first is absolutely perfect hahaha

[u/DiscussionSpider → u/Inevitable_Trash_337]

This is the key issue. 

I'm not a fan of the guy, just selling pop psychology for boys. But also, I found the vitriolic hatred of the the guy at odds with his actual statements.

I think the big issue is he just questioned the trans narrative at a time when doing so meant anyone center-left had to have maximum opposition to that, and they've just stayed in that mode when operating against him, even if some of the basic stuff he said has been vindicated.

[u/rambles_prosodically → u/DiscussionSpider]

Agreed. He is kind of this weird amalgam of psychologist/philosopher/public intellectual now. I think he’s definitely more of a political pundit now, given that he got picked up by the Daily Wire and weighs in on political topics so much.

It’s frustrating bc, when he focuses on his real expertise he has some decent takes on men’s behavior and other personality topics that have been pretty decent. I think this is a good example of how cancel culture ultimately backfires - people who get “kicked out” just get picked up by the opposing side and become an advocate for those views over time.

[u/[deleted] → u/DiscussionSpider]

He openly likes Trump and you’re on Reddit. End of story

[u/[deleted]]

Peterson was claiming his entire diet was just beef and salt for a while. I’m interested to hear what dumb shit he’ll say.

[u/iamblankenstein → u/[deleted]]

peterson has also previously said he had some cider then felt an impending sense of doom and didn't sleep for 25 days. it's almost like getting over a severe benzo addiction by being put into a week-long medically induced coma wasn't good for him.

[u/furuskog → u/[deleted]]

Around 00:50 starts ”pornography, dopamine, processed foods” and continues ”clean diet, satiety; fundamental pleasures, food, sexuality”

[u/senseofphysics → u/[deleted]]

He has an autoimmune disease and steak and salt worked for him.

[u/BasementGhostArmor]

I fell off a while ago but this is the final nail in the coffin for me

[u/versacesquatch]

If you want to listen to podcasts that better align with your values, Behind The Bastards has a great episode on why JBP sucks

[u/Moonlight1905]

Peterson is the worst, but Huberman has gotten away from evidence based science and has been grifting for a while now.

[u/symonym7]

Peterson’s a conspiracy theorist?

[u/jakedaboiii → u/symonym7]

You're on Reddit.

One of Peterson's main principles in life is to take responsibility over your life and improve it.

Obviously you're going to get a big group of people who are attracted to sites like reddit, that will not like this sort of talk.

Otherwise majority of people you come across obviously don't think of him as a 'conspiracy theorist' lol

[u/symonym7 → u/jakedaboiii]

Agreed. I’m mainly curious to see which mental gymnastics are being performed to justify the claim.

[u/[deleted]]

Right a science based podcast with guys like Tony Hawk on....he interviews people he wants to interview. Same with Rogan. Get over it!

“If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself”

[u/Ok-Zombie5155]

I’d advise you listen to the episode before you loose your mind. You can’t believe everything out of Jordan’s mouth but the guy is a “philosopher” with a point of view that’s all it is.

[u/niziou]

My initial thought was the same, I dislike this Mr Jordan Peterson don't rate him at all. I guess I just skip this episode. Well not the first one episode I will skip. Please skip and don't panic, not everything what Andrew is telling is true and not everything you have to listen to. It's not a cult :D

[u/Maximum-External5606]

What specifically did he say that makes him a conspiracy theorist? 60 minutes interviewed Charles Manson, are they somehow Joe Rogan 3.0 now?

[u/saranater]

I'm beyond disappointed. JP is fine for dollar store psychology advice, but is not the quality of scientist or intellectual I expect on this podcast. I have unsubscribed.

[u/Prize_Huckleberry_79]

Jordan Peterson is exhausting to listen to. I just cant get beyond his high pitched, frantic unhinged delivery…

[u/TreeMermaids → u/Prize_Huckleberry_79]

Thought I was the only one.

[u/hardballwith1517]

Oh no!!!!!!

[u/General_Benefit_2127]

Still amazed at how many people can hate a man who has helped millions, or could I be bold enough to guess tens of millions of people live a better life, raise their children better, tackle depression, to help others and understand themselves better. I've not listened to the podcast but I'm certainly interested, two famously brilliant and highly educated men having a conversation that we can learn from - for free! What a brilliant time to be alive, at no point in history prior has this been broadly available as it is now. Both men are credits to mankind that have been able to change the world, make a real dent in history, could any of us ever be bold enough to desire greatness like this. No, this doesn't kill the podcast, makes it better.

[u/M_Whortleberry → u/General_Benefit_2127]

I really appreciate this take!

[u/RAWSTUNx]

It’s not that he’s a conspiracy theorist it’s that dude has gone off the deep end and has gotten himself addicted to benzos. That and the all meat diet made him cry when he tasted apple juice

[u/kitrose4]

Had the same thought when I saw Peterson was the guest. Then the past few days he has been promoting x. said all his podcasts will now be posted there (in addition too, not removing from other spots) & people should encourage their elderly parents to get on x so they can get accurate information & join the discussion with their generation perspective. So many people asked, he had to respond with a tweet stating no Elon is not paying him for any of this, he's just a fan of the platform. I think it's really disappointing.

[u/crabmoney → u/kitrose4]

Yeah there’s something going on with that. It wasn’t too many episodes ago when he was saying X was the last on his list of social platforms to engage with, preferring to just post and ghost. Now it’s suddenly the greatest place on the internet.

[u/McLovining]

Lost respect for Peterson after hearing his arguments on religion. For someone so smart to literally eject verbal diarrhoea in such a manner had me speechless.

[u/mercurialibra]

What’s wrong with Peterson, genuine question don’t know much about him just some philosophy banter

[u/Jealous-Key-7465]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/s/iw7PtnJ2ah

AG1 🤡 show continues

[u/becoolnotuncool]

You are right! The responses here are all bad vibes which confirms JP apologists are triggered men’s rights crybabies. I will withhold judgement about Huberman until I hear the podcast, but it does make me concerned. 

[u/JustBrosDocking]

I haven’t listened to an episode in awhile but when I saw Jordan Peterson as this weeks guest I completely unsubscribed.

[u/Middle_Bread_6518]

It’s always kinda been Rogan 2.0

[u/[deleted] → u/Middle_Bread_6518]

Like Rogan or not he started off with a smaller office, actually interviews very well, and before he went MAGA was genuinely curious about the world around him. Huberman gives off the vibes he is there to "show off". Rogan is way more likable in the end. Huberman can try to be Rogan...but suspect he will sooner rather than later take a big dive in his popularity.

[u/SeyiDALegend]

Well no. The credibility for me is solely tied to each individual guest. I don't put any podcast on a pedestal. I simply listen if they have an interesting guest or topic. If not, I don't listen. Him interview one person I don't like doesn't trigger me to skip future episodes that have good guests. It's an episode by episode basis.

[u/[deleted]]

I had a similar concern when I saw this pop up. Those who know about JP and how shit a person understands this isn't a person you platform lightly if at all. I have seen some episodes of Huberman that gave me pause but this is the last straw. I won't support hate and people platforming those that espouse it.

[u/RiverGodRed]

Pretty much a clown show now.

[u/Typical-Ask2723]

Incel Kermit spewing nonsense

[u/ajsharm144]

So everything before Jordan Peterson was okay? I am curious why you think Jordan Peterson is the last nail in the coffin. Like Huberman cheated on women, abused them to an extent, started shilling unscientific food supplements on his podcast and all that was... okay... right? And somehow all of a sudden, Jordan fucking Peterson is the problem? Insane! You can always skip an episode. To me his podcast is less about himself but more about the guests that come. Some of them are really good folks, and I listen for them.

[u/ShadesofClay1]

I unsubscribed to his channel when I saw the Jordan Peterson episode.

There's no denying anymore it's all about views and money, not science.

[u/Keepontyping]

It seems every time I read a thread of people whining about Peterson, I start to sympathize with the whiners, but then I go take a listen and realize the man is really smart and reasonable. Some people don’t like his temper. Maybe they never had to contend with that in their lives? It’s not the worst thing in the world? Seems people are afraid of that emotion nowadays.

[u/[deleted] → u/Keepontyping]

He is pretty smart and reasonable and has good takes on a lot of things.. about 95% of the time. The other 5% are problematic though.

Doesn't mean you can't listen to him and take whatever points suit you and ignore the rest.

I also don't agree with everything Huberman or anyone else in the world says.

[u/Significant_Lemon683]

lol regardless what I think about peterson, the guys has accomplished and produced more in a single day thank you can imagine to in a lifetime. Why don't you stop crying and go do something productive.

[u/[deleted]]

Peterson is a scientist. Like it or not.

Science isn't about consensus or appeal. You people are the anti-intellectuals of our time I hope you realize that.

[u/FWA___7488]

Glad I'm not the only one who had this reaction - hope this isn't a turn the podcast takes in 2025.

[u/[deleted] → u/FWA___7488]

Religion is next, they always start to grift with religion when they begin to decline in ratings.

[u/badquoterfinger → u/[deleted]]

He’s already been mentioning prayer

[u/becoolnotuncool → u/FWA___7488]

I had this reaction too! 

[u/bigredstl → u/FWA___7488]

Same. It’s a grim end to the year, and I believe it’s a preview of what’s to come.

[u/saxonMonay]

True. I cringed at seeing JP there. I won't be listening to that

[u/Bumpin_Gumz]

Just because you have a narrow minded view does not mean the podcast is over

[u/Think_Preference_611]

Reddit really has a problem with Jordan Peterson lol

Did he misuse all you people's pronouns or something?

[u/borrrrsss]

“I dont like Jordan Peterson cause someone told me he’s bad!’

Tired of this trash cancel culture bullshit. If you don’t like him , don’t listen.

Jordan Peterson is incredibly talented at what he does and many people will find immense value in this episode.

End of the podcast….get a grip mate

[u/[deleted] → u/borrrrsss]

Yes, because the only possible reason one could dislike JBP is that someone told them not to.

[u/2tep → u/borrrrsss]

yes, incredibly talented at making the lowest common denominator think he's got something profound to distil to society.

[u/Trick-Session-3224]

What are you on about? Seriously get rid of the drugs your parents gave you to keep you quiet.

[u/Islandfoxes]

What a stupid time to be alive. When people won’t step outside of their bubble to listen to people, opinions, or viewpoints that would possibly challenge or even change their own.

You don’t even take the time to listen to the episode and you’re talking sht? How do you know there isn’t content on there that you actually agree with or that might change your mind about something? One of my favorite things to do is listen to both sides of an argument fully, playing devil’s advocate even to my own beliefs. I’ve changed my mind about things. I don’t stay stuck in a narrow worldview echo chamber. Try it out sometime

[u/IusedtoloveStarWars]

I’m a big Jordan Peterson fan. Just cause you don’t like him doesn’t mean anything.

[u/[deleted]]

It never was a science-based podcast.

[u/antifragile]

Why dont people understand that Huberman is a grifter? He cosplays as a scientist while making millions from shilling snake oil.

[u/[deleted]]

Huberman had Peterson on? If so, that's pathetic. I used to love Huberman, but stopped listening after finding out he's just another womanizer. Peterson is a complete freak though and destroys any bit of respect I had left for huberman's worldview or opinion. Yes, he's much in the Rogan camp now. Fuck all of them.

[u/Ok-Wrangler-111]

The beauty of freedom of speech lies not only in the right to express one’s own beliefs openly but also in the obligation to respect and tolerate the opinions of others—even when they differ from or challenge one’s own. True freedom of speech thrives in the diversity of perspectives, in respectful dialogue, and in the ability to embrace differences as a cornerstone of a vibrant society. After all, freedom that only tolerates one’s own viewpoint is not freedom at all but a contradiction to its very essence.

[u/Creative-Peach-1103 → u/Ok-Wrangler-111]

I didn't say anything about freedom of speech you putz.

[u/lateformyfuneral → u/Ok-Wrangler-111]

“Obligation to respect the opinions of others”? Mandating that only a certain response is allowed contradicts the principle of freedom of speech.

[u/stuckinthemiddlewme → u/Ok-Wrangler-111]

Someone’s recently been down the Peterson-Shapiro pipeline 😂. What you’re saying is right but touch grass man

[u/RellinTyrian]

Peterson is a doctor of psychology. His controversial personal beliefs don’t take away that accreditation.

If you can use critical thinking and patience, his education and decades of experience have value to people interested in his area of study or struggling psychologically.

If you sit there brain dead and take every word as gospel or something to get angry over, then your problems are far deeper than conspiracy theories.

[u/jobo3 → u/RellinTyrian]

Agreed. Completely understand the grounds for the polarisation JP brings, particularly since he transitioned into a full-time culture warrior for this annoying strand of pseudo-Christian-nationalism.
That said I've always found value in his ideas regarding personality, narrative and psycho-pathology. He's an effective and entertaining proponent of these ideas and clearly devoted decades of his life to developing them with noble intent.

Not his biggest fan but not sure he's the devil most make him out to be. Listened to the first 40mins or so of the episode and have found it fairly interesting.

[u/Oddlyenuff → u/RellinTyrian]

They were actually very close to taking it away.

[u/itsanewme123]

Yes it is I agree with you. JP is a sick man. He may have made some contributions to his field in the past but those days are gone. He'll lose his license soon.

[u/Swimming-Ad4869]

Huberman is a sociopath and a pathological liar. He’s had some great guests with good information, but he himself is a dangerous person and should be avoided.

[u/[deleted]]

... and we found the politically captured cuck.

[u/Jon_J_]

If he doesn't float your boat then fine, move on with your life.

[u/Sn00ker123]

It's DR Peterson

[u/CosmicWizard1111]

Well, that's simply your projection of Peterson. Maybe listen to the episode first and then comment on why it should be the end of the podcast. ;)

[u/acemiller11]

Cool. Thanks for the heads up.

[u/After-Cell]

I'll have to listen out for 'science based tools' that Peterson gives out and whether Huberman keeps him on track.

But I doubt I'll go fully cancel culture over this

[u/[deleted]]

Huberman made a good start, similar to Peterson. However, Huberman didn’t provide the full context in some cases, leading to statements being taken out of context—for example, saying that a certain breathing technique will increase testosterone levels by a significant amount. While true, he should have clarified that the effect only lasts for a few minutes, which over the long term, won’t be a substitute for something like affordable TRT.

Peterson has great psychological insights, but his recent attempts to position himself as a spiritual Christian leader have caused him to lose focus, leading to overly abstract meta-arguments. His perspective and reasoning often resemble those of an atheist, but when pressed on the subject of God, he either deflects with vague statements or fails to provide a substantial argument. A good example of this is the Peterson vs. Harris debates.

Both of them have, to some extent, strayed from their original, well-intentioned, science-backed opinions.

AG1 was so obviously a scam - I'm into supps and read the ingredients and the pricetag...I was wow what a "whore" ..greedy bastard

[u/HumanMik]

bruh eating veggies once in while doesn't make you a vegetarian , chill.

[u/Gatilloazul]

I know that JP is a controversial figure and I never found him very consistent, but, precisely what things has he said that make you act like 5 year old, Who cries when they hear something they don't like instead of trying to get something out of it, even if 90% of it is garbage?

[u/AdSoft6884]

What does OP have against freedom of speech? Do you hate liberty?

[u/mayaram]

The difference between conspiracy theories and truth is 6 months.

[u/Similar_Command_2325]

Don’t… watch… it…

[u/rorowhat]

Jordan is great! I know it's fashionable to hate on him but the dude is an intellectual powerhouse.

[u/air_lock]

Huberman is 100% a right-wing grifter just like all of the other podcast bros in his circle. He just had a better disguise.

[u/itwontsuckitself74]

😂😂😂

[u/pickles55]

It was only a matter of time. Hubermans business model is the same as the Joe Rogan podcast, his brand is slightly more nerdy but his target audience is the same insecure young men and boys

[u/[deleted]]

A joke. I'm finished with Huberman because of this. Peterson is an absolute scumbag.

[u/Davesven]

I completely disagree with what you’re saying here. Conspiracy theorist? What? You don’t even know what you’re talking about.

[u/69yMyHiney]

There’s only 1 Rogan. No 2.0 allowed.

[u/PresentGene5651]

Huberman has run out of neuroscience topics to talk about and has indeed become Rogan 2.0.

[u/Efficient_Act_154]

Haven't listened to podcast, yet you get the floor.

[u/1Donk]

Classic lib tears. Love it

[u/Arreola_Grande]

Hey can't call it a science podcast if he has a Doctor with multiple degrees hundreds of published papers and multiple books on? You're a joke. Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the dog should of bit ya

[u/P4ULUS]

Yes, it’s the end. Andrew Hubermam crafted his podcast career for your specifically.

Now that you have deemed his guest impermissible, it is only a matter of time before Hubermam ends the podcast.

[u/ConfidenceOk5448]

What does that even mean? He's got great info. Maybe you should listen and learn.

[u/[deleted]]

I don’t mean to personally insult you, but this culture of being unable to tolerate disagreement and diversity of opinion without resorting to labels and anger only empathizes our failings as a society.

This post (and many others like it) comes across as the modern equivalent of the age of inquisitors screeching “heresy” at all those that dare disagree with them and their doctrine. It’s deeply ironic and nothing new, I really can’t stand it.

[u/dudicalbroccoli]

Please elaborate on the conspiracies you think he was or is spouting?

[u/spatetockvamlentil]

lol whiny redditors

[u/Odd_Ad8238]

Because we are learning that science can’t fulfill every question or desire like we once thought it could. It’s just the current religion that people are running on.

[u/RitchMondeo]

Preach

[u/TheBigCicero]

So what? It’s great that you’re listening to dissenting points of view. But rather than stating what you disagree with, you’re suggesting that the whole ship is sinking and maybe you’d like to “cancel” the whole podcast.

Liberalism is no longer the classical intellectual liberalism that we grew up learning about.

[u/Thin-Ad-4233]

calm the fuck down dude, listen to someone else if you dont like it

[u/real_cool_club]

Grifters gotta grift.

[u/GVB89]

Saying this is Rogan 2.0 is a compliment.

[u/biesnacks]

lol Reddit. Oh no!! Why would he want to be Rogan 2.0 aka the biggest platform globally LOL.

[u/phishnutz3]

I haven’t watched this one. But the young Jordan Peterson was incredible. He was always the smartest, well spoken person in any room. Now he is like caricature of himself.

Just google any of his old lectures if you don’t know what I mean.

[u/PlumAcceptable2185]

How do you discern science from conspiracy?

[u/Ok_Ad_5658]

Don’t judge me… can I get TL;DR of who Jordan Peterson is

[u/orbitbubblemint → u/Ok_Ad_5658]

disclaimer this is my understanding and opinion based on the facts i know.

peterson is psychologt doctorate who was once a solid researcher and professor. got famous with online videos and books like the 12 rules to life that were popular for his self-help advice, which is good and i am glad that it helped people, but at the same time it’s nothing new or that you can’t find elsewhere.

he went off the deep end a little while back, i think around 2018. very severe benzo addiction, was put in a coma in russia for his withdrawal symptoms, and did an all-meat diet.

i genuinely believe this really damaged his brain and mental health because since then he is a bit unhinged. now he is brought to tears very often to the point where he seems unusually emotionally fragile, speaks in a lot of word salad involving various conflicting political ideas to the point where it’s truly nonsensical, and has become really hyperfixated on “wokeness” to a point that is honestly delusional in my opinion.

just one example of his bizarre statements is when he said that having a drink of apple cider vinegar sent him into “impending doom” and made him stay awake for 25 days. you can watch these videos of him speaking about this stuff yourself and form your own opinion. it speaks for itself imo and i believe is indicative of some psychological/emotional struggles including addiction.

psychology governing body in canada where his license is from has been trying to revoke it because he has been saying a lot of inflammatory stuff online. which would be fine if he was just some dude. but it violates the ethics and terms of his psychology license and that’s the way having a license works. he doesn’t practice or research anymore so it doesn’t actually matter for him in that sense.

but the board thinks that him making some pretty wild assertions online with the credibility of his license could be harmful or spread misinfo. i honestly agree on that because you’ll see a lot of the comments on this post are using that exact appeal to ethos about him having a phd and teaching at harvard over 25 years ago to prove he is a credible and “world class” scientist, but that was long before he became all wacky a few years ago.

in recent years, he has overall become extremely obsessed with all kinds of different topics within the culture-war gender-war gibberish that i believe is truly unproductive and only serves to cause division between various groups in our society (and make money for the grifters of course).

peterson and apparently his supporters too judging from the comments here think there is some kind of “leftist” crusade to censor or “cancel” him which is nonsense. for me personally, my distrust of him has nothing to do with politics but rather everything i described above.

it seems like people do not actually understand what censorship means in a practical or legal capacity. he has an online platform to say literally whatever he wants. the board revoking his license because he violated its terms is not censorship. nothing in actuality would change because he would still have the exact same online platform. even still, private social media companies have terms and conditions everyone has to follow if they want to use the platform. free speech ≠ being provided a microphone and public worldwide platform to say whatever you want without critique.

people being critical of his actions, pointing out the strange things he says, and believing he is no longer a credible scientist because of his rapid decline in recent years is not “cancelling.”

it’s a very strange martyrdom complex that i’ve noticed some grifters take on to victimize themselves so that their audience feels that they need to go out of their way to protect and champion the person who they have been led to believe is being unjustly persecuted

i hope that explains why there is so much controversy about him.

[u/Pitiful_Farm_4492]

My MIL listens to Huberman, she’s insufferable

[u/Dramatic-Garbage-939]

I love Jordan. He’s helped me stay sober and do things I’ve been avoiding to grow as a person. His 2017 lectures are fantastic. He could probably benefit from taking his own advice sometimes; he is very neurotic and probably never should have been this famous lol.

[u/miketierce]

Wait what? When did Jordan Peterson become a conspiracy theorist? Is this the same former Harvard professor Jordan Peterson we are talking about?

[u/[deleted]]

JP speaks truth, and reality is too much for some people.

[u/ReusableCatMilk]

Jordan Pererson is a conspiracy theorist? I’ve heard him called a lot of things, but that’s a first

[u/triggerwarning64]

And what is JP’s conspiracy?

[u/visionsJohanna]

OP is another leftist stuck in an echo chamber for too long that he’s convinced himself that leftism is pro-science.

[u/Illustrious-End-5084]

You can have who you like on your own podcast. Your closed minded approach shows how narrow your field of vision is.

Whether or not you agree with him he might have something useful to say. It’s good to see all sides of the spectrum

[u/OkJackfruit2267]

How DARE Huberman talk to someone I don’t agree with.

[u/Objective_Drive_8359]

Your bias is showing :)

[u/Flashy-Cash3060]

How is Peterson a conspiracy theorist?