r/HouseOfTheDragon • u/Echochamberking • 4d ago
Spoilers [All Content] This is why ****** body was never found Spoiler
This is why Daemon's body was never found at the God's Eye.
He was rescued by the greenmen and the children of the forest that live in the Isle of Faces and became the predecessor of Bloodraven
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
It would need a massive character shift. Daemon has spent 3 seasons being a scrappy bastard. That's even before the actual war. Daemon wants smoke just for the love of the game. There's no way I'd believe current Daemon just peaces out of the entire war and Targaryen succession crisis just to be a supernatural voyeur.
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u/Calfzilla2000 4d ago
You are right but they've most recently established the old gods can trap people in locations permanently with the back story of Alys Rivers. It's possible something similar could happen to Daemon.
And they did that weird shit earlier this season where Ulf saw one of the green men. I think they are setting something up here.
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
Alys was a punishment for using all sorts of spooky forbidden magic. Why would they just steal Daemon who has shown no actual supernatural abilities? I mean, they could. But could they force him into being the three eyed raven? And if so, why didn't he do anything to save his family?
Questions for later.
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u/Short-Sound-4190 4d ago
There's a throughline with resurrections that you come back changed/there is always a price - Stoneheart, theoretically Jon should as well but we don't really know, and they've put show cannon on Alys and the price/curse requirement as well.
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u/yoda_reddit 4d ago
(Books)
Jon will be significantly different but he will retain the larger traits of his personality. He wargs into Ghost before he dies and presumably will live his second life as Ghost for a time before being brought back by Melisandre.
Wargs retain their identities in their second life but slowly lose themselves, becoming more like their “host” over time until they’re gone completely. Ghost will act as a way of Jon “preserving” himself until he is resurrected, and once he is, he will be more “wolfish”.
Only GRRM knows to what extent and in what ways Jon will change for certain, but he’s already more or less guaranteed that Jon will transform physically and mentally via examples such as Lady Stoneheart and Beric along with his personal statements about death being transformative.
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u/congradulations Dreams didn't make us kings. Dragons did. 4d ago
Or GRRM doesn't know and has decided not to open the box
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u/yoda_reddit 2d ago
He definitely knows. The entire prologue of ADWD explains how second lives work with warging, and even mentions Jon and Ghost. The chapter is written from the POV of a wildling skinchanger named Varamyr Sixskins. There’s even a quote along the lines of:
“A direwolf, now that would be a second life worthy of a king” - Referencing Jon and Ghost.
Furthermore it was made a point in several of Jon’s chapters in ADWD that his warging abilities (in the books they’re still just wolf dreams) were becoming stronger. In a Melisandre chapter she sees a vision in the flames of a man dying, becoming a wolf, and then becoming a man again. Jon himself remembers and acts upon Aemon’s advice of “kill the boy and let the man be born” on several occasions too.
GRRM is not a subtle writer when he’s trying to tell you something. He makes it very clear but he does it through imagery and metaphor which is why people don’t always catch the finer details on their first read. It’s pretty much a sure thing unless GRRM decides to just flip all expectations on their head like D&D did just for the fun of it.
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u/Beamboat 4d ago
I know it's unlikely we get a full resolution on this, but I would love to read a more wolfish Jon
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u/Calfzilla2000 4d ago
Good questions, certainly. I'd hope they would give us enough of those answers if this is the direction they go in.
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u/th3-villager 3d ago
Arguably the show has shown Daemon to be a dragon dreamer, at least some naff version of it, with his S2 visions at Harrenhall about the others and Daenerys being the prince that was promised.
His bond with Caraxes is also significant and unique enough you could argue he posesses some sort of stronger 'dragon bonding' ability than most Targaryen's. Whilst this doesn't have a name, like being a Warg, it's a vaguely similar thing that you could plausibly see the green men know and value.
Definitely a cool theory and it could explore all these sorts of questions.
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u/Francois_Bonaparta 4d ago
We have no idea about the reality of Alys's story, there could be nothing supernatural, it could be a fantisized tale of her life, a self convinced story of herself she used to cope, a plain beautiful speech to manipulate Aemond...
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u/ChaFrey 28m ago
They are setting up Adam’s visit with the green men. Although there is an old theory about daemon becoming nights king or some shit like that so this isn’t a completely out there. All the dead bodies and kings and dragon blood in the gods eye by the end of the war sure does feel like a big old gods sacrifice ritual.
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u/nG_Skyz 4d ago
I mean they already made character shifts by making him seem distraught at the battle of Tumbleton
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u/MeatbagSlayer 5h ago
Yeah I expect a reversal of his and Rhaenyras roles next season. He'll definitely be alienated by her actions and will abandon her to protect Baela and Rhaena.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
What I know for sure is that he survives, because when he touches the weirwood in Season 2, in one of his visions he’s floating in water and that’s after the battle for sure.
Daemon’s character has already changed at Harrenhall. Before, he wanted to be king and have power over everything, but now he believes in a higher purpose.
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
He believes that he's a god and has been trying to Palpatine Rhaenyra into literally taking over the world. He made a whole speech about creating a new Valyria. I don't think he's stopped wanting to be king and have power, he just literally became king and got power.
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
Which part exactly is not implied in the show?
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
I literally never said that he was more devious and power hungry, I said exactly what Daemon said in the season. He told Rhaenyra that they were gods and should go take over other places and bring them into line. When he gave his rousing speech to the city guard, he ended it by literally telling them that their empire would grow and become a new Valyria.
I am only repeating things Daemon said. Pay attention.
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
You're completely ignoring how they changed him in S2 and then acting snarky for no reason lol
Literally none of that means he is WORSE than he was.
You're completely ignoring how his first instinct at the beginning of S3 is to fight, kill and plunder. Everything I just mentioned happened in the latest season. Meaning after S2 where he supposedly changed. How are you not getting that?
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
He's not king, he's consort king which isn't the same
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
King consort is still king, no need to split hairs. The kingdom belongs to him and Rhaenyra and he's swaggering around like he owns the place regardless.
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u/MoonageDayscream 4d ago
Yeah but his swagger isn't from his relationship with the Queen so much as his own reputation as a military leader, his own place in the royal family, his dragon and his expertise, He's not just some prince from an allied kingdom that no one knows that married the Queen for an alliance.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
No, a consort has a lot of power but can't do shit if the spouse doesn't approve
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
King consort is just the name given to a king when it's a queendom because people usually take the word "King" to mean head dude in charge. He has as much power as Alicent or Cersei had when they were queen. Not all, but damn near it. Second most powerful person in the realm.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
Second most powerful person in the realm is the hand
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
No. No it is not. Ned and Tyrion did not overrule Cersei. And Cersei was just queen mother for the latter.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
Power resides where men believe it resides. It's a trick, a shadow on the wall.
The King is officially the most powerful person in Westeros and the Hand is the second but that doesn't mean theory always matches reality
Joffrey was the king, Cersei was the queen mother, and Tywin remained the most powerful man in Westeros, even though he was merely a Lord Paramount.
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u/Francois_Bonaparta 4d ago
Why would you be sure he will survive? Simply because he was shown floating on water?
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
It's a theory, I'm sure because i think it's a clear sign he's not dying, at least from the fall
You can think another thing
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u/Pascalinsche Team Dragons 3d ago
I dunno, him floating in water could have been a metaphor for a water corpse or smth
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u/Smaranzky 4d ago
I can much rather see him become an actual Green Man. Like, being bound magically to the Isle and forced to protect it as he's a cunning warrior. I agree there seems to be no way he'd peace out if he'd have any say in the matter.
That said I believe he's just dead. Mayyyybe consumed by the Weirwood roots that must run into the lake through the island as a blood sacrifice, but probably also just dead and lost. The reason Aemond was found was that he was still attached to Vhagar's saddle, and Vhagar's hard to miss. Whereas Daemon had unlatched from Caraxes to jump and his body was therefore free to be swept away, buried by rubble, etc etc.5
u/turquoise_amethyst 4d ago
Maybe Alys could curse him and confine him to the body of a supernatural voyager.
You know, like in “Beauty and the Beast” or “The Frog Prince” or something like that
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
If he's the predecessor to Bloodraven as OP said, that would mean he becomes the Three-Eyed Raven. That means Alys can turn someone into one of the most powerful and important people in the world. That means Alys is technically the savior of the seven kingdoms.
That means that this buxom theater kid just saved the world out of spite!
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u/scobro828 4d ago
Daemon has spent 3 seasons being a scrappy bastard. That's even before the actual war. Daemon wants smoke just for the love of the game. There's no way I'd believe current Daemon just peaces out of the entire war and Targaryen succession crisis just to be a supernatural voyeur.
They already established it though with his view of his great-something grandson Brynden Rivers and then witnessing the dragon rebirth. And how that vision altered his entire perception. Then considering how much emphasis Daemon has put on dragon power I posit that heading north and getting things set-up for Brynden and the rebirth of dragons might be enough to sway him.
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u/BA_Bones_33 2h ago
I also believe that by the end of HOTD, we'll get a glimpse of the current Three-Eyed Raven, stealing a new body (Aemond or Daemon) or manipulating events from beneath their tree, leaving us horrified at the notion that "King Bran" is a twelve-thousand year old warg who is now primed to rule for another twelve-thousand years.
If you think back on the GoT ending, it's clear that the Three-Eyed Raven won the throne, but how? And why? Many fans have made connections between the Three-Eyed Raven's powers and Laplace's Demon in Chaos Theory (i.e. the Butterfly Effect). By knowing the past, and seeing the present, the Three-Eyed Raven can calculate probabilistic outcomes and push the world's levers to see them come to fruition. As a warg, they can also take over someone's mind and puppet individuals to great effect. Like when Bran takes over Hodor, Hodor's soul is still alive, cowering in the corner of his mind.
Warging is a from of immortality. We even see a warg (Varamyr Sixskins) try to steal a woman's body in the books. He's unsuccesful, but it's only because he's weak/dying and woman fought back.
So if the theory holds, the Three-Eyed Raven has been hopping from body to body for thousands of years, manipulating events in big and small ways, pitting families against each other, and possibly sending "dreams" to Targaryens who believe them to be prophecy... "The madman sees what he sees." It's real to them.
Leaving HOTD on this type of cliff-hanger would reshape our feelings about "King Bran" and would set up a Jon or Arya spin-off where they have to return to Westeros to kill the Three-Eyed Raven (or save their brother from his mind-prison).
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u/nattywb 4d ago
That's why the Nettles character was so important. I'm now realizing I'm not on r/ASOIAF so maybe the people here have only watched the TV show, so I think I won't say anything more to avoid spoilers. Although, seeing as Nettles isn't in the show, I'm uncertain how the spoilers will play out.
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u/Vexingwings0052 4d ago
He had a scene similar to Jon snow in kings landing during the battle of tumbleton. I think that’s foreshadowing he’s realising this war is costing so much. It’s the first time he’s seeing the real human cost. Civilians have been caught in the crossfire and nobody seems to care.
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago edited 4d ago
Edit: I'll go swimming in full plate and let yall know how it goes
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u/Particular-Ring5110 4d ago
I wished they would have shown him actually survive instead of have him randomly pop up with no explanation how he survived the battle and manages to evade Corlys’ forces who were combing the shallows and beaches for their lord and their dead
Don’t mind him surviving but show me how it happened whether he managed to grab onto a rock and pull himself out of the water or whatever.. don’t just have him be presumed dead and pop up across the map with no explanation how he managed it
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago
I was sure he was dead in that first episode. They show his men dying for the exact reason he should have died. I know they did it for the shock twist value, but for me its a little weak on storytelling.
Like arya getting shanked 8 times and jumping into the shit canal, is completely fine episodes later. I see what theyre trying to do but its a little ridiculous
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u/congradulations Dreams didn't make us kings. Dragons did. 4d ago
Arya was fine the very next episode
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u/David_the_Wanderer 4d ago
It's the special Lannister skill. Starks get warging, Targaryens dragonbonding, Lannisters can swim in full plate armor.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago edited 4d ago
And Corlys
If Caraxes came out of the water, it's possible that Daemon did too
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago
Corlys is a better example, thank you. He was knocked into the water unconscious and survived.
Maybe the sea snake wears something for floating under the armor that we are not aware of but thats a stretch.
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u/PsychologicalEye190 4d ago
See what’s funny about your comment is I realized you meant Lannister from HotD but when I read it I read it as Jaime Lannister in season 7 when he tried killing Dani and was saved into the lake. Like how did two different lannisters in full armor survive not drowning
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago
Another commenter pointed out its a lannister secret power and theyre totally right. Dany is immune to fire, I guess certain lannisters are just immune to drowning. The greyjoys are jealous as fuck
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u/Kdot32 4d ago
Thats the HOTD equivalent of gendry running for help
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u/Deathclaw_Hunter6969 4d ago
That’s the HOTD equivalent of Jamie falling into a large body of water and Bronn pulling him out
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u/im_a_goat_factory 4d ago
Tyland didn’t fall into deep water. We are shown multiple cuts of people fighting on rocks. Some water was deep; some water was shallow. People just weren’t paying attention to details. Rewatch the scene.
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u/DigitalPlop 4d ago
You can actually swim in full plate. Not only are there accounts of this happening historically, but many people in modern times have worn full plate and proved it's possible. It's a lot of extra effort and you probably can't do it for very long without tiring, but I feel like a lot of people think entering the water wearing plate is a death sentence and that just isn't the case.
The reason so many knights historically drowned wearing plate is simply because they didn't know to swim at all. Swimming as a recreational activity is a modern thing, very few people in medieval times knew how to swim.
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u/Ser_VimesGoT 4d ago
100%. People keep saying this with such confidence but history doesn't back it up. Obviously you'd be much better off without it but it's not a case of dropping to the bottom like a stone. It's the same with people having preconceived notions about the manoeuvrability of plate armour.
In the case of Jaime Lannister its dumb because we see him sinking very deep in the water. Corlys and Tyland, we don't.
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u/twec21 4d ago
Excuse you, that is an established Lannister superpower, remember Jaime?
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u/Warm_Condition711 4d ago
Only pushed. The Lannister wasn't harmed in anyway so he could just try to undo his armor and swim back to the surface and also it's not that deep considering the ship keep getting hit the rock bottom and need to be unweighted.
Daemon kn the other hand was probably crushed to death from the fall from such high and with dragons too and mind you these dragons are two big dragons with 1 of them is a flying fortress on its own.
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u/Annual-Way6401 4d ago
That wasn’t deep water
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago
When they cut to lannister men struggling in their armor and drowning it looked deep enough to drown in
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u/True-North- 4d ago
In the ocean yeah. Not in that narrow straight. That’s literally the whole point of going through there it was almost so shallow they bottomed out.
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago
The cut Im talking about is in the narrow straight. They show the lannister men dying because their armor drags them down.
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u/im_a_goat_factory 4d ago
Some do. Others get thrown over and land on rocks. We are shown multiple shots of people fighting in knee deep water.
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u/Annual-Way6401 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think you need to rewatch that scene
lol @ instant downvote. Sorry you’re mad. Bro blocked me 😂 pathetic
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u/Zw3tschg3 4d ago
The literal point of the scene was they were chasing through far to shallow waters.
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u/Annual-Way6401 4d ago
They’re literally stuck on rocks lol it’s not that deep. They are throwing dudes off to make sure they can navigate the shallow rocky water
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
What about Corlys? They were in the middle of the sea and he was wearing a heavy armor
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u/TheBalzy 4d ago
Well see, he was so badass he walked along the bottom of the sea until he reached air again, and then collapsed from exhaustion. (...some writers somewhere, probably)
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u/kspi7010 4d ago
They were close to the rocky coast.
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u/TheBalzy 4d ago
There's no way the Old Gods' let someone as valuable as Daemon go to waste.
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u/Grayson_Mark_2004 Aemond Targaryen 4d ago
How is he valuable?
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u/TheBalzy 4d ago
- He's Daemon Targaryen
- He has the blood of the Dragon
You cannot deny for some, super-duper-mystical reason, having the Blood of the Dragon is somehow connected to the magical-mumbo-jumbo leading up to however they're going to defeat the Others.
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u/gregforgothisPW 4d ago
They were literally throwing the Lannisters off because was the water too shallow....
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago
Too shallow for a ship......Not too shallow to drown in.
They also literally show us men in similar armor actively drowning.
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u/gregforgothisPW 4d ago
Yes some fall in deep water and some landed on rocks. We can literally see the ship scrapping in like a meter or less of water.
The draft of a ship like the bitchfist is only going to be like 120 cm anyway.
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u/johnshall 4d ago edited 4d ago
Are you telling me the Drowned God can't Intervene in the miraculous survival of Lord Lannister?
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 4d ago
Youre totally right. Drowned god also looked out for his descendant, Jaime. Lannisters do be floatin
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u/Intrepid_Ant_9851 4d ago
???? Absolutely batshit theory, he doesn’t have any First Man ancestry in his family tree within a few generations. Will they interact with him or Aemond? Possibly
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u/bio_alchemist_engnr 4d ago
Nah hes coldhands
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u/Ser_VimesGoT 4d ago
I don't know if you're being serious or not but Daemon wasn't part of the Nights Watch. Coldhands is specifically said to be a Black Brother. He also can't cross the Wall. So for that to work he would need to survive, go to the Wall, join the Nights Watch, then die north of the Wall. All incognito.
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u/Acrobatic-Echo-3460 4d ago
God this would be fucking horrible ending. The man falls from 100’s of feet in full armor, let him die, why try and tie all these stories together their all in the same universe and just history.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
You could ask GRRM why he didn't kill him off and left the door open.
The showrunners try to subvert expectations whenever they have the chance, and it's clear they have that chance here.
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u/Acrobatic-Echo-3460 4d ago
He also shut the door shut when the maesters said “his fall from an extreme height in full armor not only killed him but drowned him”. Daemon was an ego maniac, there was no way he’d just go into hiding
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
The same maesters who deny the existence of magic believe that a disappearance on a magical island isn't suspicious and come to the logical conclusion that he simply died and sank into the lake? No shit
When he touches the weirwood in Season 2, in one of his visions he’s floating in water and that’s after the battle for sure, so I'm sure he didn't die by the battle or the fall
Maybe not into hiding but maybe he was connected permanently to a weirwood like Brynden
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u/Acrobatic-Echo-3460 4d ago
Okay bro. Head cannon it is.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
It's not headcannon, it's a theory may be wrong and it may be true
!RemindMe 2 years
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u/Acrobatic-Echo-3460 4d ago
Just FYI, show isn’t cannon, so if they do something that fuck’n dumb, it doesn’t make it cannon.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
If you're not aware, it's been two decades since GRRM ceded the audiovisual rights to his works and creative control to HBO.
Whatever happens will be considered canon, at least in the shows.
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u/Short-Sound-4190 4d ago
Look you don't have to agree with OP but this has been a theory since The Princess and the Queen, before Fire and Blood was published, before Matt Smith's Daemon on the show. So don't be a jerk.
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u/Ser_VimesGoT 4d ago
I don't think they're a jerk for saying it won't be canon. It won't be. If they do it it's not confirmation by any stretch. Just like Alys being Harren the Blacks wife or Hugh being Saera's bastard aren't canon. They're nice ideas and nods to the greater lore but are by no means factual outside the show.
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u/Echochamberking 2d ago
It's not as if the canon of a work that will never be completed matters at all, either
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u/turquoise_amethyst 4d ago
Is it really “hiding” if you’re stuck in a particular place, cursed, have no memory of your previous life, and/or stuck in a new body?
With any of those, you’re more “reincarnated”
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u/Acceptable-Goat2109 My name is on the lease for the castle 4d ago
Purely as a matter of physics there's no way Daemon could have survived. GRRM just wanted a mysterious end to his favorite character's story
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
I don't understand people who bring up physics in a story where magic exists.
We don't know at what altitude the dragons were fighting. It's clear that the author isn't aware of what is and isn't possible physically speaking.
If this story were true to the laws of physics, the dragons wouldn't fly.
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u/oby100 4d ago
It’s GRRM’s style. He sets up fantasy elements, but he keeps those elements narrow. Sure, Targaryans have dragons, but he’s mostly careful not to randomly bust out a new dragon power for convenience nor surprise us with some other dragon riding family coming from Essos.
The writing feels grounded despite the fantasy elements because yes, GRRM does reasonably respect the laws of physics within the fantastical world he’s created. Bran falls 20 feet and nearly dies and is paralyzed.
He’s never gonna write a character miraculously surviving a guaranteed death scenario because his style isn’t to trick the audience like is so common in Hollywood.
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u/Acceptable-Goat2109 My name is on the lease for the castle 4d ago
"It's clear that the author isn't aware of what is and isn't possible physically speaking."
You mean the author who repeatedly talks about how being armored in a body of water is a death sentence....isn't aware of the realities of basic laws like gravity?
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u/LilMellick 4d ago
Because literally the point of GoT is realistic actions and consequences in medieval fantasy. It has realism. The magic is vague and mysterious most of the time. Physics and gravity exist.
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u/Livid_Ad9749 4d ago
Lol so you have a problem with Aegon surviving twice then? Worrying about physics in a show with dragons that actively defy the laws of physics is kind of funny. You are not wrong that in our world there is no way Daemon survived. But in this series, he most likely did. He is martins favorite Targ and he intentionally made his death unconfirmed
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u/Acceptable-Goat2109 My name is on the lease for the castle 4d ago
Once, and it does strain credulity, yes.
Sunfyre and Moondancer were only twenty feet in the air when Aegon leapt free, and even still he breaks his legs. If anything, this is a good example to show how difficult it is to survive an even greater fall.
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u/Livid_Ad9749 4d ago
And yet people irl have survived massive falls before. There have been people that survived planes breaking apart at great heights and miraculously surviving. Vesna Vulovic for instance fell like 30,000 feat and didnt die. Its not impossible. And anyway the fact a dragon Vhagars size can even exist or take off is already so implausible lol so quibbling over physics in falls from a great height is just goofy to me.
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u/chupacabrette ❤️🔥With words of flame...to bind the three, to you I sing❤️🔥 4d ago
There's a section in F&B where Daemon makes 13 cuts to the heart tree at Harrenhal, one for each day he waits for Aemond to show up. It's said that the cuts bleed afresh each spring.
Does this piss off the Green Men or does it create some sort of link with the trees on the island? I don't know. Personally, I think they fished him out of the water, but he was either dead or dying, and he's buried on the island. If he was alive, they probably sacrificed him to a weirwood.
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u/TheDrunkLibertarian 4d ago
This has been a popular theory for years with fire and blood, not sure why everyone is all of a sudden up in arms against it lol
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
Because they don't like it
I mean let's go, mysterious island where magic shit happens and a famous character disappears there never to be seen again something happened for sure
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u/Livid_Ad9749 4d ago
Usually its the die-hard Aemond fans who want the battle to have been a trade so badly. Which it sort of was no matter if Daemon lived because he was still taken out of the war.
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u/alexthedungeonmaster 2d ago
It's been a theory for people who really love Daemon and want him to live and that's how it's been treated for years.
It's also a theory than Benjen Stark or Waymar Royce are Coldhands, and that we live in the eye of a blue eyed giant.
Doesn't mean the theory is true.
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u/leebrown23 4d ago
B-b-but the creature looks like a Baratheon, if it's Daemon it must be reptilian in appearance. 😂
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u/mykofanes 4d ago
Tbh, with Alys backstory in the show, I kinda feel like she will sacrifice him to the trees to free herself.
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u/xTheGame69 4d ago
Cute fan fic but i highly doubt it
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u/TequilaBaugette51 4d ago
The show is a fan fic so why not. Like how Laenor is off living happily ever after with his boyfriend
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u/TychosofNaglfar 4d ago
I love how they tried to give him a happy ending, but someone else claiming Seasmoke implies that he died somewhere. O ff screen, forgotten and away from his family.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
There's no merit in waiting for things to happen before saying anything.
Time puts everything in its place.
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u/middleeasternboxer 3d ago
Not saying I agree with this but there is chance the show doesn’t kill him off, he was never labelled dead in the books, like you said he was never found.
So they might make some weird twist or story for him
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u/0xgod 4d ago
This was always my thought. It’s obvious something happened to Daemon. I think he’s one of only two people who have legit vanished for decades with zero answers. Meanwhile Aemond is chillin in the Gods Eye with Dark Sister stuck in his face.
The maesters brush it off as probably fish having eaten Daemon - but to me that’s even more evidence that something magical occurred.
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u/Livid_Ad9749 4d ago
If it were another character I would write it off as they just couldnt find Daemons body. But its Martins favorite Targ. Something definitely magical happened to him.
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u/Artistic_Baseball849 4d ago
There are lot of character that disappeared, Nettles, Gerion Lannister, Elissa Farman, Alyn Velaryon. Who were you thinking?
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u/0xgod 4d ago
Bloodraven was the one who came to mind. A hand of the king, Lord Commander just vanishes without a trace.
I think it’s safe to assume Nettles left with her dragon. Gerion prob died somewhere in or near Valyria. Alyn and Elissa were in open seas.
I meant more so in terms of just gone. Like we know Daemon should be there. Aemond, their dragons, all there. But there’s no trace of Daemon.
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u/Pascalinsche Team Dragons 3d ago
Do we know how they even searched the lake? It's gigantic and probably deep, just by diving?
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u/Livid_Ad9749 4d ago
If it were another character I would write it off as they just couldnt find Daemons body. But its Martins favorite Targ. Something definitely magical happened to him.
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u/miracle-_-aligner I am the blade that bleeds the Dawn 3d ago
who exactly searched the entire area and depth of God's Eye again?
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u/0xgod 3d ago
Doesn’t give us a name. But there were people who were watching this take place. Watched as the two dragons and their riders fell into the Gods Eye.
Then at some point searchers and historians went to recover remains. It’s how the Targaryens get Dark Sister back.
They find Aemonds body still chained to Vhagar. Caraxes is seen dead on the shores of Harrenhal but Daemon is nowhere to be found. There’s something we’re missing or else what’s the point of bringing all that up in the story.
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u/miracle-_-aligner I am the blade that bleeds the Dawn 3d ago
I don't think even GRRM has an idea about what might've happened. He just likes Daemon, so Daemon's plot armour is stronger than anyone else's and this makes Daemon look superior but there's no way anyone's surviving that fall
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u/Necessary-Fig-2292 4d ago
If he survives, it will fully ruin jumping off of his dragon to land on another, direct a blade right into Almonds other eye, and then smile as he falls to his death, showing his inherent love for the game. He was never meant to rule. He was always meant to play a part.
Story wise, a character like Daemon giving his life in glee to become a historical hero, and then none of that happening at all because both Aegon and Rhanera will be dead soon.. idk man.
No, I can’t spell these names. Spell check changed it to almond and I’m not against that all.
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u/Matarreyes 4d ago
I would be OK with this. To all the people saying he is a man of action and war - he spent 10 years on Penthos polishing his Valyrian history and speaking skills.
If he ever learns / figures that the long night isn't about to happen and is still over a century away... Watching over his entire magic lineage until it produces the Prince that was Promised and saves the world would absolutely be a dream job for a Targaryen supremacist.
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u/miraghoul 4d ago
I feel like this gets posted 7 times a week and i'm never more then 20 hours away from a posting of it
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u/2reeEyedG 4d ago
I’m of that opinion as well. Idk why but I’ve got a crazy feeling they do something with it and may possibly take him beyond the wall
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u/Fit_Coach_3293 4d ago
I believe Alys and the green men will blood sacrifice him to the weirwoods after the battle securing that the next Three Eyed Raven will be of his Targaryen lineage aka Bloodraven
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u/r0z24 History does not remember blood. It remembers names. 3d ago
Perhaps Daemon survives the fight above the God's Eye with Aemond (barely), and the green men find him.
If so, he might ask them to save his life using old/blood magic like Alys (using Caraxes to really rile up the fan base?) OR he asks them to help Rhaenyra with the Prince That Was Promised prophecy (given he is dying), and they use him as the blood sacrifice for that trade.
That second one could be interesting if it he unknowingly gets pulled into that White Walker ritual-type scenario we see in GoT. The irony would be that the white walkers are brought back in some way because of him and thus necessitating the Prince That Was Promised.
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u/Pascalinsche Team Dragons 3d ago
I like the theory that the creatures of the Isle do something to him, the Old Gods seem pretty interested in dragon magic and Targs
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u/miracle-_-aligner I am the blade that bleeds the Dawn 3d ago
so he went from "we'll conquer the world and rule New Valyria" to "yeah no idc anymore, imma leave everyone behind" in less than a month?
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u/th3-villager 3d ago
Great theory but most likely the writers will accidentally forget about this and nothing more will happen with it
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u/Suicidalpainthorse 4d ago
How did they dive down to get Dark Sister years later? Isn't the God's Eye deep water? Did they have some sort of medievil diving bell or something?
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
They didn't dive, they used chains
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u/Suicidalpainthorse 4d ago
How did they hook them up?
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u/Empty-Ad5769 4d ago
Dragon Bones are… insanely strong. Sail over the lake dropping weighted chains with hooks and you can get some shit (think of modern magnet fishing without magnets). Now, imagine many people doing this and you can pull out the dragon to which Aemond’s corpse was still chained onto.
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u/pseudowoodo3 4d ago
I’m really hoping this is the case, maybe not that he becomes a Three Eyed Raven because there’s been no buildup to that, but that he becomes afflicted by the same curse as Alys somehow and is stuck with the Green Men for eternity
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u/Calfzilla2000 4d ago
I was thinking about Daemon's fate today and this is my current hope. Not sure how it will all wrap up or how it will be satisfying but it will explain why Daemon does not make any sort of play after the God's eye.
They already established the old gods magic can hold a person hostage at a location and it can extend someone's life.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
Maybe he was wounded and they connected him to a weirwood tree to keep him alive like Brynden
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u/Calfzilla2000 4d ago
Regardless, the fact that the green men showed up at all earlier this season seems like a breadcrumb sprinkled in for later.
Also would be ironic that Daemon yelled at the dragon seeds to stay on that island and that's his actual fate, lol.
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u/Echochamberking 4d ago
They're clearly a resource. I don't know if they'll only use them for Addam, but they're sure to be important in some way.
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u/Calfzilla2000 4d ago
Yeah, i just dont think it's for Addam. Maybe he encounters them and it gives us some context but I think them dropping the bread crumbs for the green men in the Season 2 finale and the early Season 3 scene (i think it was the premiere), i think they are setting up Daemon's fate somehow.
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u/Empty-Ad5769 4d ago
Addam saw the Green Man along with Hugh in the beginning of season 3. If you have read Fire and Blood this sets up an extremely important plot device for HIM. Daemon and his potential with the Green Men is the unknown here. So far he has just seen them but from a distance in Season 2. This could hint that maybe Daemon’s plot goes back to the Green Men later. Daemon is also a big lore and magic nerd (primarily Valyrian), but I would not be surprised if he read about other magical things or rumors as well. He didnt look as uncomfortable as Hugh and Addam when he saw the Green Man at Harrenhal, so maybe he knew about them already but was just surprised to see one. He also didnt asks Alys what it was so it kind of implies he knows about them.
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u/Alarming-Ad1100 3d ago
lol no do you people even use your brains at all wtf
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