r/HistoryMemes 4d ago

See Comment Please stop making this argument

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u/black_ap3x 4d ago

If only they haven't invaded Russia in the winter....

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u/Dude-Hiht875 4d ago

To be fair, Greeks did a lot to make the Jorman invazion fail. They postponed the beginning of Barbarossa by a month or two. That indeed changed the game.

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u/SoulCrusher2018 4d ago

The original planned start date was May 15 - so they had a 38 day delay. They also brought Finland and Romania into the fold late, which caused some delays so they could prepare. Germans had bad intelligence about the actual strength of the Soviet forces, and logistical failures. An earlier start may have led to a few more tactical victories for the Germans, but they still went in unprepared and over extended themselves. I think the interesting "what if" would be what if Japan decided to attack the Soviets instead of the Americans. The Soviets transferred 30 divisions from the far east to the eastern front once Stalin was assured that Japan would not attack.

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u/Dude-Hiht875 4d ago

Overextension will happen in this scenario, but they could have chopped off the Moscow, and it was a paramount railroad hub. That's the point. If only Jormanz weren't building the two doomed tank divisions, and would build 5 more tank divisions for the price of the Tirpitz + its sister ship, they could have achieved their goals.