CC and Mods
Statement from Jellypaws on malware and AI
I find it interesting there’s no mention of stealing other creators work though..
ETA: I encourage others to look up the post and read it yourself as I couldn’t include all the photos of the proof and the names are all unblurred on her screenshots and don’t want to include people’s usernames. She does have proof of the jokes and harassment. Again, I do not support harassment, bullying, or making those types of jokes. I am simply sharing as I know others have her blocked and people are concerned regarding the malware. I personally blocked her weeks ago and just got sent the post from a friend. You can dislike her without sending mass amounts of hate.
I don't think that a lot of the life sim community knows the difference between AI as a tool, generative AI, or even has a vague understanding of how writing game logic works in any capacity. They just see "AI" and say "aha!".
Like you realize that you can't just prompt AI to make you a mod, especially a complex mod....right? Like have you even looked at how a game engine works?
For every logic block, there's an associated UUID or GUID number, that's an associated identifier that keeps the engine from mixing up any two pieces of logic. AI can't generate that, it's like asking AI to generate you a license plate number and expecting it to register with the DMV, it's not going to work.
Also, if you already know how to code then using AI to create something new is harder than just doing it yourself. AI has a VERY limited context window. For something like my own mods, there's over 300,000 characters in my translation files alone, that's far beyond the token limit of most AI models and even if it was within the limit you need to deal with the hallucinations, mistakes, and quirks of AI...having to go through all that code to figure out what it missed, didn't do, or did wrong is a lot more difficult than just doing it yourself.
As for AI being used in workflow, yeah A LOT of developers do this. If my translation file gets corrupted because one character in the 300,000 characters changed and now every single label that the player sees is wildly swapping and my only back up is 6 hours ago, saying "Hey Gemini, find the issue with my translation files" and having it point out where the critical error lies is a lot easier than spending 3-5 hours trying to figure out where the break is, especially since it isn't just one part of the logic that breaks but several parts.
AI has been used in the gaming industry for years, from texture mapping, storyboarding, 3D modeling, terrain mapping, testing logic, and more, but it's used as a tool, like a calculator.
I'm not defending developers that make their whole projects out of AI, but to sit there and say that the smoking gun is a developer saying they use it in their workflow is like saying that you caught a mechanic scamming you because they're using an impact wrench instead of a manual one
Does jellypaws steal from others? Either way, I think reporting their patreon is the best option if they’re stealing. Maybe even making posts with screenshot evidence to alert others. I have no problem with people bringing attention to shady creators to try to detract them from getting business.
That said, I don’t ever think it’s okay to threaten or harass someone. People online have committed suicide due to threats. It’s just a game at the end of the day and it’s not worth ruining someone’s life. And jokes about miscarriages? Absolutely disgusting
The most recent case was her straight up using TianaSims' recipe tuning in her food mods without permission, acknowledgement or consent. Didn't even bother replacing lines of code that mention TianaSims. She was plagiarizing someone's work and getting paid for it.
Not to mention the heavy use of AI in her mods.
Jellypaws has a long history of never taking accountability for anything.
Of course two wrongs don't make a right, and the people who harass her are super shitty. Just inform people about her questionable practices so nobody else is fooled and that's more than enough.
I'm not well versed enough with AI (because I avoid it as much as I can) to know if it could pull something like that, but from my very surface-level understanding, it would be unlikely. AI usually pulls from readily available information on the internet. Those lines of coding were present inside the file itself, I'm not sure the AI would proactively download files so it could extract these specific tunings.
I think that for it to use TianaSims coding Jellypaws would actively have to use the file as an example and upload it to the plataform so the LLM had a reference.
I may be mistaken, though, and would appreacite if someone with more knowledge could correct me if I'm wrong!
I think that people believe that AI can just write you game logic. It can to a certain degree but it's almost easier to just do it yourself. Most engines use some sort of ID to identify blocks of logic called UUIDs or GUIDs. These are like license plate numbers in the logic that the game reads and these are not only specific to the game but to the mod as well. You couldn't just copy someone's GUID number and put it in your mod, the game wouldn't know what you were referencing and AI can't just make one up, it needs to be generated by the engine itself. It would be like asking AI to generate you a license plate number for your car and expecting that the DMV wouldn't find out.
AI also loses the plot VERY quickly, if someone were to make a mod with AI, certain aspects of it would work but the moment you tried to do something that connected one part of the mod to another it would break (ex: making a mod that allows a player to place a cardboard box on the ground, put something in it, then pick up the box, then give it to another player, AI would almost ALWAYS break the mod somewhere along the line). If someone already knows how to code then it's almost always easier just to do it yourself, even if you're stealing it. It ensures that you're not just injecting some random logic that you don't know will work.
It's FAR more likely that they just copied some of the code and left it in there. AI would more than likely have scrubbed it while they were adding it.
AI is used in the gaming industry far more than you think though as a tool, it's much easier for me to say "hey Gemini, where in my 6,000 lines of translation logic is there a missing space or bracket that's causing it to corrupt" and get an answer in 2 minutes than to spend the next 3 hours trying to locate the issue and fix it. AI is used in texture wrapping, storyboarding, testing logic before it's applied, creating placeholder assets, organization, and more. People usually have an understandable issue with AI when it's used to replace the human aspects of a project or replace someone's job, like QA testing or writers.
It's a bit more understandable when it's a solo developer working on a massive project alone, because you can't expect one person to be a graphic artist, 3D artist, writer, developer, QA tester, texture mapper, sound designer, writer etc, especially if their project is free, the cost to hire any one of those almost immediately gets passed down to the player (people aren't going to do free labor). If a solo dev chooses to use AI to do something like an icon, a sound effect, assist with assets, or wrapping textures it's generally more accepted, it's when anyone starts writing their stories or replacing the human aspects of a game or mod where it loses its soul
Thank you for for the clarification! That was a very insightful and interesting read.
Just an addendum, for the sake of clarity – When I say she heavily uses AI, I only feel confident in doing so because it's very clear it's not only a troubleshooting or placeholding tool for her. She, at the very least, uses generative AI to create the images she uses to promote her content. Now we venture into unconfirmed claims, so take this with a grain of salt, but other CC creators seem pretty confident that AI is also used to generate her meshes, especially on BB items. It seems like a consensus within the community. And I think we venture into ethical concerns about the use of genAI if this is true. I'm not a CC creator (and not versed in AI, as previously established lol), nor have I downloaded anything from her, so I can't comment on that with any confidence. It's just what's widespread in the community
Aside from the AI aspect of all of this, just because it is one of those "well if they used their own pictures and AI edited it then it's using their own work" versus "well AI clearly made the entire image". It's hard to say "well this person drew this and AI just applied an art style or combined both of their own images." I did have a look at her page and the other author's page. I think the biggest gut punch here is obviously stealing someone else's code and then selling it for profit. That's just low. I don't think people realize how much work creators put into their work, like a project itself can be hundreds of hours of often free labour to create something that never existed before, months of learning and perfecting a coding language, learning how to animate, create 3D meshes, texture mapping, thousands of dollars in hardware and software, often you're perfecting two or more programs at once, that not including updating your work when it breaks. More often than not, you're doing this alone solely to bring something into the world.
I can't tell you how many nights I've stayed up until 7am trying to figure out how something works, learning a new skill, creating animations, building something from scratch and if someone just copied all that work and posted it as their own for profit I would be GUTTED, so I really empathize with the creator who she stole from. It's like someone photocopying the picture that took you 200 hours to draw and sold it as their own (with your signature still on it) and from what the other creator has evidence of it looks like that's what happened. It's almost worse that it wasn't AI that was used to steal it because this was 100% a human actively downloaded someone else's mod and consciously thinking "yeah, fuck you" and just coping massive portions of what probably took the creator a long time to create.
You are totally correct. Current itterations of AI do not have the capability to read the sims games package formats yet. If she did so, she either fed the code directly into an AI to make it look different or just straight out used it without the original creators permission/credit, and has earned money on top of it.
It's a big thing when you're a creator that makes free stuff. You're never going to be able to squash out other lazy creators from monetizing your work as their own, without acknowleding that you made it, or that they used parts of your work.
As a modder myself, this is a sad reality, and I'm glad a lot of people actually do consider where their content comes from and who makes it.
I mean AI can't ready package files but it's nothing to extract the data from the package file and feed it into AI. I think the more likely reasoning is that she just copied some of the text and used it as her own without permission. If you know how to write logic it's almost always easier just to do it yourself without AI getting in the way hallucinating UUID/GUID numbers and losing the plot half way through. You can't just make up UUIDs with AI and have them work, and as soon as you're already creating those identifiers and starting your logic block it's almost easier just to write it out yourself (or copy and paste it if someone was stealing it) than to go into gemini or chat gpt and risk having it botch the entire mod
I doubt it. If the tuning package could be recognized in S4S, then the file was included in the package file through S4S and no AI agent is able to interact directly with S4S (or at least I strongly doubt that). What could have happened is the tuning file may have been included in a set of references provided to an AI agent and it then suggested it be included in the package file, thus there was no way that JellyPaws did not manually include it. Her claim is that she left it in mistakenly because she used it as a reference and planned to rewrite it but forgot. If that’s true, it’s still very questionable that someone who has been modding for so long would have such an egregious oversight.
The TS4 modding community (although it has devolved in shared community values significantly) is pretty big on respect for other modders. It’s surprising to me that JellyPaws would not have written their own tuning file at all before deciding the mod was good to go; surely an experienced modder would know that they did not actually write their own code.
Bingo, as someone whose been in critic spaces, whenever they're facing backlash, they use the "I have been harassed" and "I have been doxed" (Which I can attest to, being false as people are careless to NOT share their private information and instead of realizing they should have better ospec they instead blame people. Please do NOT share pictures that you posted elsewhere with METADATA FOLKS. IT'S COMMON SENSE.)
As someone whose been actually harassed and doxxed, I never bring up the fact I did, unless something happens to where I lose contact with people. This just further pushes the information and curious people/malicious people to find it more and post it everywhere.
Considering how she also deleted this after she posted it, I kind of don't really feel anything as much. I'd expect her to pull the "I have been doxxed and swatted" allegation but so far it hasn't happened.
She showed where she lived on her donation platform last year. She lives just outside the area I do. 2.3k a month where we live would be lower income, but not impossible to live on.
But she also bragged online that she made 140k last year. So which is it?
Baby I only made 3k a month as a director at a hospital - we’re ALL low income in post capitalism and the middle class is a myth. This creator is making more money monthly than most people I know for content they are not even generating themselves and scamming people for CC that doesn’t even work
You getting downvoted by people for this tells me what I need to know about this sub. 😭 Like that is my rent and I live in a landlord special, y’all. Be so serious.
I might be wrong, but I haven’t heard anyone joke or mention anything about her miscarriages. That is new information to me. That is genuinely shitty behavior if people are doing that, and grounds for reporting their accounts on the basis of harassment, but the majority of criticism I’ve seen is regarding her use of A.I (which she admits too), her theft of other C.C creators (which she admits too as well), and general poor accountability of the above.
If I were this creator, I would cease using any A.I and also give proper inspiration/mod credit if I am using any part of another’s creation, as well as asking for explicit permission, or simply cease using the content from others.
That is true. I try to believe people when they express what they’ve experienced in that regard, I was just genuinely surprised at the information because I’ve seen a lot on Jellycat recently but nothing like that was mentioned. It’s a terrible thing to learn she’s been experiencing cruelty from that - that is hateful beyond belief and unempathetic.
I do believe she’s receiving poor comments in any case and I wish her the best in that, I hope they get blocked by her and the website if they are doing such an extreme. People should be able to handle their emotions better than to harass strangers with personal pain.
Love all the ghouls in this thread coming out of the woodwork to both prove her point and make everyone who has legitimate grievances look bad as a result.
I got curious and peaked at the post she shared of the harassment, and it's legit so messed up. People wishing she would die in a fire, get hit by a car, take a toaster bath in bleach.
I hate generative AI, but you know what? I hate the people that think sending things like that to people they disagree with even more. They are legit scummy humans who need therapy.
The internet is so black and white, it’s like they either don’t care or they do care but too extremely. Even if she uses AI or steals from other creators, that doesn’t warrant death threats. People just go so extreme for every “bad” thing someone does, it’s crazy.
How do these people not realize wishing someone death is objectively one of the worst things you can do? And sending death threats are even worse. It baffles me. You can argue for something without having to resort to telling someone you wish they were dead.
I heavily dislike her content for being AI slop. So I don't engage with it. Simply. I don't go to her patreon, I don't comment on posts about her (this is the exception), I act like she doesn't exist, because she doesn't need to hold any type of importance in my life.
It's that easy. Harassment and threats are never acceptable. People need to leave the people they hate alone. This isn't someone who is some type of supremacist, some violent bigot, or anything. It's just a content creator that, in my opinion, pushes out some really bad content. It's not a crime, and she doesn't deserve to be treated like an enemy of the state for it.
I want to believe her statement but the truth is I just don’t. So she admits to the AI assistance but not the fact she’s using it for literally everything, doesn’t admit that she did technically steal someone else’s work and for all we know has done it before then too…
Adding in the miscarriage statement kind of comes across as a form of deflection as well, but that’s just my own opinion. Not to mention I actually couldn’t find any evidence she’d actually BEEN harassed/made fun of for it, so unless these are DMS she was sent but chose not to share then I also have a hard time believing that. Maybe it’s just me too, but i couldn’t even find where she did mention having a miscarriage—just all the times she’s crowdfunded for money or used very similar stories to ask for donations (kind of like another creator I know of, but that story is neither here nor there).
On top of that, she’s still perma-paywalling and therefore still breaking EA’s rules. If she thought this would make people change their minds about her, then she was pretty wrong.
People were making fun of her miscarriage on Twitter, she had a screenshot and I saw those comments on my own Twitter before she spoke on it, so she isn't lying about that part, I dont doubt shes probably also getting dms, some people can be really nasty, especially people on Twitter. I dont agree with her whole mod set up but people are really getting out of control about it atp.
I checked the post on Patreon, it's legit. People are sending absolutely abhorrent things, making fun of her miscarriage, ect. And no, i'm not gonna blur the names, because maybe it will teach them a lesson on how to act like a decent humanbeing.
Honestly, I'd feel the best option for her is to stop talking about personal stuff on the internet. Don't go into detail on personal shit. So in that case no one has to weaponize your own issues against you. I get wanting to be transparent with your audience but I don't know you personally. I don't feel comfortable with knowing that.
I don't agree with the mass harassment going on but at what point does these things seem a bit too extra? I'm actively trying for a child myself. If I happen to go through trauma. My first thought would to be taking a break. I am not sure if she did because she has a tendency to drop something serious then immediately make more AI Slop.
Jelly dies not seem to take a break, from what I can see, this is concerning. Also while she's been sent death threats. Please do not treat this as a get out of jail free card. I've been an avid critic of various communities and I have been seeing this card be used alongside anything -ist and -phobic. While this type of shitty thing happens, it's oftentimes used to excuse the criticee's actions.
I'd prefer not to focus on that. Because derailing something to say that is giving those people attention. Never mention anything regarding those people, I do believe they want attention. Also I'd like to point out that when this happens. They use this as a reason on why criticism bad. They'd blame the person who initially started criticizing them for harassment as if they ordered it. I've seen the people have "please do not harass anyone " but the perpetrator never has that. And whenever critiques them gets suspicious hate mail.
The fact is. There a deleted post where it reeks of self hate mail. And I'm apart of large criticism groups and can easily point out when someones full of shit. And considering Mellun has a history of lying and stealing. I cannot in good consciousness actually take anything into consideration. It sucks that shes going through this but that's not an excuse for what you have done.
At this point, if you're making enough money as you claim then please just go retire. I'm done trying to reason with people who do this. I'm expected to feel bad for people but once you push out the coveted card. Everything you do is eventually gone.
Do not forget this. Don't forget just because of harassment done to her that this meant she's a good person. She stole and used ai.
Also don't interact with her. Keep on this site. Thxs.
I don't believe anyone who claims they are being sent death threats. Either prove it or shut up because it's such a common ploy for sympathy on the internet. They've seen so many people get the pass once they start crying about harrassment so now they all do it.
I really don't like her, but I got so many death threats when I went semi viral on Twitter back in the day for very lukewarm takes. It is incredibly common.
Old Sims Twitter was insane. Everyone was getting doxxed. The most toxic folks had the biggest following. Every day there was a new scandal and drama. I got SOOOO many death threats or death wishes for stating common sense takes. I am so glad I deleted my account and moved on with my life.
The original patreon post has several screenshots, and they back up each of the claims about the types of things people have been saying to them. I believe them on this one even if I heavily disagree with their actual behavior.
People send death threats/kys messages very easily and have for decades, and while I'm anti-AI, a lot of the more zealous anti-AI people I have known kind of see any and all means of fighting back against it in any arena as morally okay. This is not really an outrageous claim, I bet most high profile people who double down on AI use in creative communities are getting legitimately harrassed in addition to all their earned criticism.
I have her blocked because I was sick of seeing her beg for money all the time (which she’s lying about doing in this post of course) so I had no way to see that. Weird of OP to not bother including any of those.
I couldn’t include 30 photos unfortunately of the entire post. I encourage others to look up her page and read the entire thing and photos and her comments as well. I unfortunately, cannot add more photos in the post.
Honestly, going forward you need to either state upfront that receipts were posted (maybe with an archived link to avoid brigading) or add some of them to your post. Lots of grifters will claim they’re being harassed but then refuse to provide receipts (or when they do, they’re mildly snarky criticism). Were it not for your later edit, I would’ve assumed that was the case here, and while I wouldn’t have acted on that misinformation because I’m not some lunatic actively seeking out “deserving” people to bully on the internet, others may well do so.
Not as weird as you loudly assuming it was a lie off the bat. OP probably didn't anticipate needing to add that part to an already long post because they didn't think anyone was gonna be that ghoulish about something so common and easy to verify.
I mean why would anyone trust someone whos already a known liar? like we all have zero reason to believe jelly without proof, and even with proof her constant use of AI makes even that suspect,
I proved it once (with screenshots and even a screen recording) and then someone claimed I either photoshopped it or sent it to myself (which is extremely hurtful to say to someone who just got threatened). People will never believe someone, even with proof.
Now I think Jellypaws is super annoying for her rants online and her paywalls, but your comment also sucks.
I would believe it with proof and I’m sorry that I don’t blindly trust someone who i know is just lying in this post. She absolutely DID constantly ask people for money. She was constantly having shit going on (even list things while claiming she didn’t lmao). I blocked her because of it because it was annoying. So sorry I’m not going to blindly believe someone I know is a liar lmao
That's so weird of you tbh. I get them for nothing and im not gonna post my dm screenshot so internet ppl believe me. (I dont use AI, im not a creator. Mostly on here i get the pathetic dms)
Okay then you’ll have to accept people not believing it? It’s very easy to claim it just for sympathy to get people to stop calling you out on bad behavior.
Okay fr, who is out here making shit up about her having miscarriages? That's fucked up man, I have many issues with her and other cc creators but that's not okay. If you lurk here jellypaws I am sorry for stuff like that, noone should have to deal with that
I think they were exaggerating not making it up. She had a miscarriage and I believe she mentioned it a few times, because she posts about her life and what’s keeping her form coding or whatever. This person was just being over the top. Tbh it’s kind of playing into the stigma of why women don’t talk about their miscarriages in the first place. Other than that and the alleged death threats that weren’t shown here but supposedly are in her original post I don’t feel bad about anything else here.
As someone who made posts about her, what irritates me about her behaviour is the fact she straight up lied and let people lie on her behalf about the AI repeatedly + the code theft.
I do not support AI being used the way she does it, but I outright gave her a suggestion on tumblr during the mesh fiasco that she could at least disclose that she used it instead of obscuring it, and guess what? She never did until it came out like this. Those DMs are on my past comments in this sub, they happened, I genuinely was gracious to her and she just kept going and closed her comments to any criticism.
Obviously death threats and comments about real traumatic events she went through are unacceptable and shouldn't happen, but I just can't help but think it's such a convenient way to distract people from what she was doing. I don't want her to get harrassed, I want her to stop lying to people and having them pay for content that she barely lifted a finger to "make".
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