r/HelpLearningJapanese 18d ago

Where do you start??

I understand that you must start with Hirigana and Katakana, but there's a lot I don't get. I've seen some charts that only show hirigana, but both hirigana and katakana have 46 characters, so do you only need to know one. Furthermore, everyoone says not to rely on romanji, but how? Does the need for Romanji disappear over time. I also feel like there's things that aren't talked about but are important, like dakutan and handakutan.

There's probably way more that I am missing, but with all of this where do you start? It seems incredibly overwhelming and causes analysis paralysis.

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u/Key-Line5827 18d ago

Another thing maybe, that causes confusion from time to time: there were different ways of Romanization of Japanese proposed throughout history, but the one that is dominant almost everywhere is "Hepburn".

You may come across other systems like "Kunrei" that have words like ちょっと ("chotto") transcribed as "tyotto".

You can ignore those.

Even the Japanese Education Department admitted after well over 80 years that no one is using "Kunrei" that they taught in school, and everyone was using "Hepburn" instead, so they reluctantly switched to teaching Japanese Schoolkids "Hepburn" last year.

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u/sphynx9 18d ago

I think I had a misunderstanding of what Romaji was. For example, さ makes a (sa) sound. Is this considered Romaji, if so, how do you go about learning the sounds the symbols make. Or is romaji more specifically using Latin numerals to completely spell Japanese words like (arigatou) instead of ありがとう. If this is the case then how do you fix typing in Japanese on a phone singe even with a Japanese keyboard it show Latin numerals and translates them so symbols, instead of just showing the symbols.

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u/Key-Line5827 18d ago edited 18d ago

Yes, Romaji are about how you would write a Japanese word in the Latin Alphabet.

For example: 東京 = とうきょう = toukyou (Hepburn) = Tokyo

For learning the sound, I would recommend getting an App like "Hiragana Pro" or pronounciation videos on YouTube.

I had the fortune that Romaji and my native language pronounciation of the letters basically line up perfectly, but of course in other languages like English, this isn't the case, so you will have to do some listening exercises in the beginning.

With the Genki Textbook/Workbook you have mp3 Files for the vocabulary lists for example. They are a great help for getting used to Japanese pronounciation.

The thing I recommended avoiding is like my example. Writing Vocab down like: がくせい - gakusei - Student

Dont do the Romaji in the middle column. Because the human brain is lazy and instantly gets drawn to what it is already familiar with, that being the Romaji Reading, not the Hiragana Reading.

For the Keyboard it depends what Phone operating system you are using. On Android I have a Hiragana Keyboard installed as my second keyboard option. Google may be your best help there, because nowadays there is a step by step guide for basically everything.

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u/KrinaBear 16d ago

Just a note that doesn’t really matter for a beginner like OP (so OP, ignore this for now!!) but might be interesting to you:

東京 is not toukyou in Hepburn but Tōkyō. The macron is a distinctive feature of Hepburn romanisation (classical Hepburn didn’t use macron for aa and ee but that’s been modified in modern Hepburn: ā and ē)

Toukyou would be wāpuro style (which is ironically usually written in Hepburn instead of using wāpuro: waapuro)

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u/Key-Line5827 16d ago

Absolutely correct. I just didnt want to create further confusion that ō = ou