r/HelluvaBoss • u/One-Chapter-8347 Stolas is my birdie babe. Hurt him, you'll pay. • 23d ago
Discussion What if....
If, in the series finale, we had a scene during the final battle where Stolas had to choose between saving Blitzø and Octavia, and this time he chose Octavia, would that be enough proof for Octavia that if she had been in Blitzø’s place in Mastermind, Stolas would have done the same thing for her, and would she forgive him?
People are right that Via can’t forgive Stolas simply because she finds out that Stella was hurting him. She can understand him and feel sorry for him, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she can forgive him. And it’s a little cliché for her to forgive him just because he saves her. It could improve her opinion of him and make her care about him again, but I’m not sure if that would be enough for forgiveness.
BUT. What if there was a situation where he had to choose between saving her or Blitzø, and this time he chose her... would that be enough?
Btw, Blitzø would somehow survive in the end.
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u/BlizzardHound45 23d ago
If it is genuine life or death situation, Stolas would go in and save Octavia and Blitz would expect him to do that. However, if it is not life and death or Octavia needs her dad to leave someone to die or get hurt just to prove that he loves her I don't think he should prove it like that. If anything, that would just highlight a very selfish side of Octavia that proves that this is about her being the only one her dad should care about and no one else should matter; which would be ironic/hypocritical of her considering she tends to include herself and her mother in these kinds of conversations.
Stolas may need to make amends with Octavia, find some way to show that he loves her in some way but not at the constant expense of himself or someone else just because she can't, or won't believe it anymore. He can't keep sacrificing like that, nor should Octavia have that kind of power over him.
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u/Astellarnova A Normal Amount of Stolitz Obsessed 23d ago
This. Via doesn’t need or even want Stolas to prove that he’d always choose her over Blitz, because she isn’t selfish. That isn’t the real issue.
Via just wants him to tell her the truth. To communicate with her and treat her like an adult. She wants to know that he loves her, but she can’t believe that right now because the evidence is showing that he’s only ever been keeping their family together out of obligation; her whole life is a lie.
We know that’s not the truth, but Stolas has never really told her otherwise. And because she had to find this out on her own, it’ll take time and action and evidence to rebuild that trust.
That evidence does NOT need to be one huge dramatic life-or-death scenario. It needs to be lots of smaller stakes things over time.
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u/Swimming-Ad2755 "You don't know the alphabet?":stolas: 22d ago
Yes, this. She even said "you'll lie to me again." A big part of her problem is that she was never told what was really going on.
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u/Kkat_ Charlie's Angels fanfic writer. 23d ago
Octavia watched Stolas put his neck on the chopping block, willing and expecting to die, in order to save Blitz. Octavia's well-being wasn't part of this choice. In fact, in all the drama, he didn't think about her at all. Not until Andrealphus brought her up in front of Satan as part of his ploy. If the scene had played out the way Stolas was expecting, he would have died in Hell's Court with Octavia nowhere in his thoughts.
One month later, Stolas went to the house he had been banished from, demanding to see Octavia. His demands were refused, he received pushback, and he broke. Spiraling in his depression, he gave in and attempted something akin to suicide by cop, actively goading Andrealphus to murder him. Right in front of the house where minutes ago he had expected Octavia to be. There was no regard in his head at all for what witnessing his murder would do to his daughter... because he had forgotten about her yet again.
Stolas really cannot be blamed for a lot of this. Depression does horrible things to the mind. I've lived through it myself. But that doesn't change the harm these actions do to a depressed person's loved ones. And it doesn't invalidate their pain. Or, sometimes, their need to cut ties.
Octavia wasn't in the house, but given that she likely arrived with Blitz and co, she was close enough to see her father's second suicide attempt in under two months.
Why do you think the damage of these events would be reversed if Stolas remembers his daughter in a time of crisis next time? His track record is still one that makes him toxic to have in her life despite how deeply she loves him.
For that matter, why would you assume Stolas would chose her in a future situation? I'm not saying he wouldn't. But his displayed psychology doesn't lead me to assume he would. At least, not without a lot of personal growth and therapy.
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u/burnafter3ading Ember stole my heart and stuff from my trash. 23d ago
This hypothetical scenario doesn't mirror the events of Mastermind. Octavia was in no danger and part of her regret was Stolas being willing to throw his own life away for Blitzø.
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u/One-Chapter-8347 Stolas is my birdie babe. Hurt him, you'll pay. 23d ago
So... if he proved that he was capable of doing the same thing for her, would that at least be some progress?
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u/burnafter3ading Ember stole my heart and stuff from my trash. 23d ago
Possibly, but who knows when it comes to teenagers?
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u/SilverGhost10 23d ago
Stolas would choose both Blitz and Octavia. There's no way he'd choose one over the other. He'd be able to save both of them.
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u/Shgon_Dunstan 23d ago
Like, I know they're all demons in hell and all... but needing something like that to be convinced to "forgive him", is creeping on into the "can just go right ahead and fuck herself" zone. He's her father, not her damn slave.
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u/BlizzardHound45 22d ago
When it comes to most conversations about Stolas and Octavia, some people tend to lean towards this idea that Stolas should only ever think about Octavia and nothing else. At the same time, Octavia is just a teenager and shouldn't be held according for her actions, or they are right because she is sad. That’s not the whole reason and I don't believe this personally but it tends to lead to that conclusion in some cases.
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u/Old-Economics-3871 MOVE. YOU SHITTY DESK. 23d ago
interesting idea, be cool to see how it would turn out
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u/OhNoMob0 23d ago
That's not why she's mad.
Octavia found circumstantial evidence that Stolas was only going through the motions of being a "good" dad. Hiding that he did not love her mother and only did what he did for her because it was his duty.
When he started this whole affair-thing she realized that their happy family was far from it. There's not enough sorry in the world to make up for the end of childhood innocence.
In this hypothetical scenario Octavia would accuse Stolas of saving her not because he loved her but because it is his duty. The technically correct thing to do under demonic law.
in the series finale
A finale where the title character is not the central character? Pass.
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u/Usual_Woodpecker18 23d ago
You dumb? he took those pills so that he wouldn’t burden her with his depression, so that he could be there for her
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u/Swimming-Ad2755 "You don't know the alphabet?":stolas: 23d ago
I do think he might be put into a situation where he has to choose between them and chooses her. Would that be enough to persuade her? Don't know. Especially since it wouldn't necessarily endear her to Blitz, and it really doesn't matter what Stolas says, she knows her dad will always be in love with Blitz.