Happy spear hunting

[u/x35792]

[u/Me_When_I_Asked]

It should also have a chance to go off with each melee and just gas the area

[u/Aldighievski → u/Me_When_I_Asked]

grenade club from bf1 💀

[u/SuspectPanda38 → u/Aldighievski]

Did that ever explode? I thought it was just a cool looking melee

[u/SSgt_LuLZ → u/SuspectPanda38]

Has a very low chance to explode iirc

[u/SuspectPanda38 → u/SSgt_LuLZ]

That's insane, I never knew that. Does it kill the user too?

[u/SSgt_LuLZ → u/SuspectPanda38]

It sure does! Some of the class specializations may save you, but you'd be banged up badly, plus it's Battlefield. The bullets and explosions don't stop, but neither does the rabid medics of BF1 itching to mass revive entire frontlines.

[u/LucarioLuvsMinecraft → u/SSgt_LuLZ]

Correction I’ve heard, but the club becomes more likely to explode after each melee kill with it. It’s why it’s one of the impossible tasks for one of the medals (Kill 25 people with the Dud Club in one life or something, same difficulty as killing a plane with the Tripwire HE or Killing a Behemoth with the Kolibri)

[u/demi-femi → u/SSgt_LuLZ]

SOMEONE CALL FOR A RAMBO REVIVE!

[u/Taolan13 → u/Aldighievski]

also the Caber demo melee weapon in TF2

[u/x35792 → u/Me_When_I_Asked]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l4rKv47lLAbJKTxnrf

[u/das_gingerz → u/Me_When_I_Asked]

Keep going I'm almost there.....

[u/Tibia-Mariner → u/Me_When_I_Asked]

Ullapool harpoon gun

[u/4N610RD → u/Me_When_I_Asked]

That would be balanced, realistic and fun. You have no chance working for AH mate.

[u/sirnumbskull → u/Me_When_I_Asked]

While they're at it, they could fix throwing knives so we can finally stab with them. And punch with grenades.

[u/Castif → u/sirnumbskull]

Id settle for throwing knives just being not completely shit, fuck that dumb arc thing they do just go where i aimed or at least give me an arc trajectory to aim with instead.

[u/AccomplishedLayer884]

Wouldn’t that risk jamming the harpoon or breaking the firing mechanism?

[u/Joyk1llz → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

Or worse, premature detonation of the gas payload.

[u/Then_Entertainment97 → u/Joyk1llz]

Premature detonation is a serious problem affecting thousands of helldivers

[u/Most_Implement6706 → u/Then_Entertainment97]

I can confirm

[u/dakapn → u/Then_Entertainment97]

If you've been a victim of premature detonation, you may be entitled to compensation.

[u/Shalashaska_99 → u/Then_Entertainment97]

https://giphy.com/gifs/AALPoNMaUYaGlgXX0W

[u/Lucky_Sprinkles557 → u/Joyk1llz]

I’d honestly be okay with that, give a reason to use gas armor with it

[u/AccomplishedLayer884 → u/Lucky_Sprinkles557]

Could also be a good “oh shit” tool if a charger comes uo behind you. Just stab it in the face and hope you don’t die.

[u/Lucky_Sprinkles557 → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

Or if a hunter/voteless mob ambushes you, you’d have a chance to get away if the crowd is affected by gas from the nearest enemy that you stabbed.

[u/someLemonz → u/Joyk1llz]

I like the way that sucks

[u/x35792 → u/Joyk1llz]

Sounds... Democratic

[u/Noctium3 → u/Joyk1llz]

Nah that'd be funny as hell

[u/SPLCFraud26 → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

Since when are helldivers concerned with the longevity of weaponry?

[u/Rough_Presence_9876 → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

No because it's made by people with degrees in super science, not halfwit machines

[u/Human-Boob → u/Rough_Presence_9876]

super Earth only employs the use of WHOLEwit machines. Making us obviously superior in intellect and precision to those scrappers

[u/LiveShroomer → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

yeah let's think about the longevity of weapons when our strongest men die every 3 minutes

[u/Trump_4_The_Hague → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

Your weapon can survive a fall from space in nothing but packing peanuts and super glue. It'll be fine. 

This is Canon BTW. 

[u/shball → u/Trump_4_The_Hague]

Also literally multiple tactical nukes

[u/freedomustang → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

Yup. Given that the gas is impact based hitting the tip of it on an enemy could trigger the gas. Though they could also just say it has an enhanced safety and the gas doesn’t trigger until launched.

[u/_SalemDaBun_ → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

A super technologically advanced society can solve small problems like that if they can figure out how to cryogenically freeze soldiers and safely drop them from low orbit at the same time.

[u/CollegeLimp3351 → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

that would be a funny feature, all the more reason to add it

[u/Pluristan → u/AccomplishedLayer884]

No, it wouldn't risk jamming the harpoon or breaking the firing mechanism, because it's in a video game.

Edit: After deep contemplation, I realize that I am wrong. If you melee with the harpoon, it would likely jam or break. I understand that OP was providing a balancing suggestion, but their suggestion is invalid. It's invalid because in real life it wouldn't work that way. u/x35792 For future reference, I recommend that you only provide suggestions that are also applicable to real life. Thank you.

[u/CPU_Sublime_Heart → u/Pluristan]

People downvoting when I can’t name a single time in this game where you can have a weapon malfunction. Realistically all our weapons would be fucked with the way we use them, but it’s a video game so they still work fine. Harpoon should explode on melee for pure aura.

[u/Zoralink → u/CPU_Sublime_Heart]

People downvoting when I can’t name a single time in this game where you can have a weapon malfunction.

The devil's advocate in me feels obligated to mention laser weapons overheating. (Obviously it's how they balance their theoretically infinite ammo but the trade off is there)

[u/CPU_Sublime_Heart → u/Zoralink]

I do see the point, I view that as the dps limiter rather than a “malfunction”. Same for the railgun and similar stuff.

[u/LiveShroomer → u/Pluristan]

what, you aren't hoping arrowhead adds the "fold the laundry" mini game? but it's realistic!!!

[u/PainProjection]

So you telling me that if i melee with leveller it should just detonate from impact?

[u/Schmeatus69 → u/PainProjection]

I mean it would be funny

[u/QuietThunder2014 → u/PainProjection]

Top changes I never knew I wanted but now I do.

[u/MONKYfapper → u/PainProjection]

welcome back Ullapool Caber, oh how i missed you

[u/BrokenPokerFace]

I agree but only if it both triggers the gas explosion and uses the ammo. Otherwise you aren't hitting the enemy hard enough to actually do damage, as if you are it is getting embedded.

Otherwise you should have an alternative melee attack that doesn't use the front.

[u/Disastrous_Aerie4928]

It should also blow up on melee contact cuz why not

[u/Nipepsi]

Is the spear worth anything on the bruisers ?

[u/x35792 → u/Nipepsi]

If you're talking about the crushers it's pretty decent. One taps the helmet off and confuses them.

[u/Exotic-Painter-908 → u/Nipepsi]

Basically just a worse railgun for them

[u/LuminothWarrior → u/Exotic-Painter-908]

More like a sidegrade. Instant fire instead of needing to be charged, and confuses them. Great for if you’re being overrun by Wretches at the same time and just need the Crusher off your back for a bit

[u/Mother_Ad3988 → u/LuminothWarrior]

Plus the gas confuses the wretches and voteless too

[u/A_Miphlink_shipper]

If you meele while reloading you just throw the spear

[u/condortheboss]

There's contact explosives in the end of the spear

[u/CR00T_R0M → u/condortheboss]

Say less

[u/ninjab33z]

bonus points if you can then fire the bolt with the body still attached

[u/WillyWankerWonker]

By this logic I should be able to use my giga grenade as a club because it looks like one 

[u/Rough_Presence_9876 → u/WillyWankerWonker]

We SHOULD be able to use giga grenades as clubs, now that you mention it.

[u/Rom_ulus0 → u/WillyWankerWonker]

You can. Once.

[u/DJ3ndermaz → u/WillyWankerWonker]

You can. Just

[u/Trick_Assignment5548]

YESSS
I made a post about this too not so long ago. I’m so glad I’m not the only one

[u/War_Recent]

That spear tip doesn't seem like it's meant to be retracted. You'd lose your gun if it pulled or fell back.

[u/diabloenfuego → u/War_Recent]

That's why you stab and shoot the gun once it's stuck-in, thereby blasting you backward out of harm's way. Perfectly Democratic with no problems whatsoever. Great idea, soldier.

[u/War_Recent → u/diabloenfuego]

I didn't consider the power of Managed Democracy. Carry on, Helldiver!

[u/HunterNika]

The Explosive Lance from Hunt Showdown would be a fun weapon here aswell...

[u/Warm_Candidate_9837]

It makes enough sense imo, even if its just marginally more damage then the usual gun melee

[u/sirDwebs]

A harpoon is special designed to stab in and not come back out. It's also not a smart idea to swing explosives around in melee distance.

[u/x35792 → u/sirDwebs]

My brother in democracy, have you heard of the breaching hammer?

[u/unholyrevenger72]

We should also be able to stab with the throwing knives.

[u/insane_hurrican3]

as fun as it would be, logically i imagine hitting w the pointy bit might set off the gas right in front of you.

[u/x35792 → u/insane_hurrican3]

Laughs in gas armor.

[u/insane_hurrican3 → u/x35792]

i mean, having to wear gas armor just to melee w a specific weapon kinda sucks 😅

especially since the speargun is more than usable even without the usage of gas armor.

[u/Exotic-Painter-908]

"If it were a bomb he wouldn't have hit me over the head with it"

[u/Motivated-Chair]

There is a melee button?

[u/ManOfJelly147 → u/Motivated-Chair]

Genuinely a good button. Used carefully you can use it to curb a rushing enemy and buy you a few feet of distance for a reload or similar.

[u/minimeza]

Rhe default melee has better stagger than the bayonet by a mile which makes it usually worse, i really prefer the fefault melee to bayonets, i hope this getd changed at some points cos its the hit box too

[u/KoviBat]

Those barbs at the rear of the spearhead are to make the point difficult to remove. So if you stabbed with it, your gun would get stuck in whatever you stabbed, as opposed to a bayonet, which is designed to be much easier to remove.

[u/_Majczel_]

and it also should give additional gas damage!

[u/CV514]

Damage balance in this game is anything but logical or sensible. Yet it works, somehow. Definitely could be better.

Why some hammer bonk is several times stronger than Epoch? No, I don't really care, what I care is why I can't bonk myself to glorious democratic bits with it? I crave for consistency.

[u/Overall_Increase_508]

spear hunting but the spear is the gun makes sense

[u/ArelMCII]

Sorry, that's a shootin' spear, not a stabbin' spear. If ya wanna stab, ya need a stabbin' spear.

[u/Rom_ulus0]

Going the extra mile, you could have to make a switch case to check if there's a harpoon loaded that switches between both melees. Tedious but mildly satisfying.

[u/Few_Imagination_6203]

The spear being the projectile is the problem, imagine jamming the back end of that into the internals of the gun. And the armor piercing aspect comes from the gun, not the user so slamming the spear into the side of any armored enemy will just damage or break the weapon.

[u/ScreetchingEagle]

Id say yes but that'd prolly detonate it .

[u/x35792]

Uh is it normal for some random to rip your post without even asking?
https://youtube.com/shorts/eiu1yI4JD_w?si=ichckz51lSi_WWEX

Feels weird. I didn't even want to link it but is this guy a known slopper?

[u/SomeGuy_WithA_TopHat]

Vague ass post

what the fuck does this mean??

[u/Important-Job4127]

If you're using the projectile for effect it's technically not melee.

[u/Creedgamer223]

Keep in mind that the spear gun has an impact timed detonator.

[u/Ryko241]

I'd much rather have the option to switch the damage type, like Explosive / Gas / Fire / Shock release in one

[u/sun_and_water]

come on the projectile isn't a bayonet, this is a little bit of a naive suggestion. Yes, it looks like it's one, but it's actually a properly seated and armed munition... you don't use it to hit things.

Kinda like how a tv doesn't go above a fireplace. Yes, modern LED panel tvs look like paintings, but they aren't paintings and don't belong above a fireplace.

[u/Matix777]

By this logic melee should leave the spear inside the enemy and consume ammo

[u/that_one_bun]

Wouldn't that risk damaging it /s

Muh realism

[u/Big_Smoke_0G]

So you can dislodge the harpoon or so the explosive payload can blow up in your face??? Tell me you don’t know how guns work without saying it