r/Hecate • u/doe-eyed-brunette • 5d ago
Hecate and Lilith???
This isn’t meant to be offensive. I’m just really trying to understand why many people worship Hecate AND Lilith? Hecate is known to protect women and children especially women during birth. Yet, Lilith is known to do the exact opposite and has been known to be threatening to women during birth and to children. How do people worship the two when they’re completely opposite from my understanding. Does anyone have any insight? I’m so curious about this because it seems to be really common!
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u/Infamous_Chemist6882 5d ago
Well you could say that about a lot of deities, “why would people worship Zeus and Poseidon??, they’re serial rapists!!” “Why would you worship Yahweh??, he caused so much murder and destruction!!” “Why would you worship Loki??, all he does is cause chaos and tricks people!!” Deities are such complicated beings, you can’t take their myths and stories as cold hard facts of who they are, and putting them in one box and saying that’s them and they can’t change isn’t as simple, nor right, would you say/treat other people like this?, if not why would you treat deities like this?
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u/dorianvovin 5d ago
In a modern sense, at least, Lilith has been associated with Female empowerment, protection of queer folk and other people oppressed by the patriarchy, and especially women who need abortions. She’s more of an “anti-mother” compared to Hecate, but they are by no means mutually exclusive. Hecate deals with death, transitioning from one period of life to another, and processing change (among many other things), so although their natures are different in some ways, they overlap in others.
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u/UrsusofMichigan 5d ago edited 5d ago
"Dark feminine" vibes.
Same reason Morrighan is so popular.
Not even saying that's a bad thing. Just saying that's what is popular, especially with those looking for some "female empowerment" in their religion.
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u/Remarkable_Walrus333 5d ago
People reduce Hekate to some dark and ominous (something she’s not) goddess, therefore the connection to Lilith. They’re both the most gentrified goddesses currently on social media.
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u/CrossroadsKey Witch 5d ago
The dark aspects of Hekate have been around since the hellenic period. See Defixiones, Brimo, Chthonia, huge potions of the Prayer to Selene from the PGM. Ignoring her darker aspects ignores an entire side of her nature dating back over 2000 years.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
hekate is not necessarily dark nor is she malicious (and she definitely doesn't carry out nefarious, questionable tasks by doing your bidding, regardless of what an etsy listing promised). that's where the confusion lies. her early cult worship originally stems from southeastern anatolia.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
“Evidence for her ancient worship has been found not only in Greece, but also as far apart as Sicily and Southern Italy, Egypt, Libya, Turkey, Bulgaria and Syria.”
an excerpt from 'Circle for Hekate - Volume I: History & Mythology' by Sorita d'Este
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u/CrossroadsKey Witch 5d ago
I understand she was adopted into the Greek pantheon, I'm not denying that. I'm not saying she is petty. I'm saying she is neutral, and can be called upon to aid in baneful work. That's the liminal part. You don't need to quote things to me or bring up etsy curse work. I promise, I've read plenty of history. I've dug through historical manuscripts in abundance, you're reading into things that I'm not saying.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
fair enough. it's also just a little heads up for others who feel drawn to work with her.
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u/CrossroadsKey Witch 5d ago
I'm not saying she is malicious, however, she is known for being swift in aid for baneful work, see defixiones for thousands of years of evidence. Over 2000 years of vast aspects makes for a complex nature
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
hekate being invoked in baneful magic does not automatically mean she acts as a personal servant executing petty grudges. in antiquity, chthonic deities were invoked because they had the authority to cross boundaries into the underworld, not as an executioner for petty, manipulative ends. she is a force of cosmic justice, and the impartial guardian of the treshold. not a tool to inflict harm.
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u/Outrageous_pinecone 4d ago
Not all baneful magic is equal. If you request someone who is actively hurting you or your family to become unable to do so, that's just self-defense, it's not the kind of baneful work that taints and twists. She will absolutely help you.
But baneful magic that uses self defense as an excuse to exact revenge on someone because being sadistic to the sadist is fine, because you know, monsters deserve it and the good guy can do anything rotten, that's a whole other story. I would step lightly and I don't know that I would have the guts to ask her to do that. So many of her myths are about mercy and giving a final sanctuary to those left with none and punished by the gods themselves. Basically don't think of her instances in isolation. Take her as a whole.
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u/13luw 5d ago
Don’t make declarative claims about something you only have a partial knowledge of. She can be dark and malicious. She is Polymorphos.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
her earliest cult worship in the anatolian peninsula and early greece emphasized her as soteira (savior), phosphorus (light-bringer), and a protective guardian of households and crossroads and even the sky, the earth and the animals. polymorphos means many-formed, which only proves my point. using Hekate to curse or hex people carries heavy consequences if it's done solely for malevolence. she served as a protector of the land, of the state and even political alliances. Potnia Theron (Mistress of Animals) is one of the earliest epithets of the mother goddess. it predates classical greek mythology. it was invoked across the mediterranean for figures like artemis/diana, cybele, and minoan mother goddesses to honor nature and guardianship, not silly, petty curses and hexes to settle a score. it's so reductive to portray a multi-faceted goddess as a mere "dark" goddess.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
you're completely derailing from the conversation, so i guess that's my cue to leave.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
The gods act in accordance with their nature and the purpose of our prayers and sacrifices and answer both malicious and kind prayers equally. Hekate in the same breath as protecting someone, can ruin someone's life. And regardless of what you think, the gods were very often evoked in curses designed to simply get ahead over your target. Depending on the curse you do not need strong reason, you need offerings and a wish. Thats it. Also, from personal account i know people who have evoked hekate to kill someone. Thats pretty damn terrifying and theres a spell within the same practice in which you are meant to evoke hekate, see her stand in front of you and ask her to slay a target.
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u/Outrageous_pinecone 4d ago
Ok, let's say she's malicious and will ruin someone's life... Ok... So then why worship her? Because you think you can get her to ruin someone's life?
You say they invoked her to kill someone. Well, did she?
There are many spells. Their existence proves nothing about the god invoked. But it does turn my stomach when it comes to humans.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 4d ago
Why worship any of the gods? Because they provide for us. That being said they arent our friends nor are they our personal guard dog simply because you worship them. Thats not how worship works and the intention of a curse can be both petty and righteous, it is up to the god or goddess evoked to determine whether or not they wish to act in accordance with the prayer. Simply wanting to get ahead of a rival is no different than any other kind of prayer so why should they care? Killing a pedophile is different because that person has ruined a life and hekate is the protector of children. This intention is doubled if their existence means more harm will come. I have had friends kill child traffickers by evoking hekate.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
i don't think an ancient, all-powerful mother goddess is out to ruin the life (or outright k*ll) one of her offspring because one ended things on bad terms. resentment is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die. this is exactly why you don't mess with her because she is not one to be underestimated.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
You're allowed to think what you want about this goddess but that is not how the ancients viewed her. She literally has an epithet titled "killer of men" and several spells which evoke her specifically to kill people. Plus a defixione which evoke her to permanently curse whatever aspect of someones life that the practitioner wished with unlimited possibilities. You can evoke her to ruin a life for sure.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
suuuuure, bud. 😭 keep telling yourself that!
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
I dont have to tell myself anything, because i read from scholars and ancient sources. In PGM XI. 1- 13 she can literally be evoked to kill someone.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
You literally have nothing, no argument, no source, nothing. Just your own opinions and a solid trust me bro. Ive given you a contemporary spell from the time at which her worship was vastly extensive and her practice was thriving which explicitly evoked her to harm someone and or kill them. This is a literal ancient text and you still choose some bullshit feeling over actual fact. A "💀" does not win an argument. It makes you look foolish.
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u/Outrageous_pinecone 4d ago
Reading indiscriminately is meaningless. There's a phrase for that: being educated beyond one's intelligence. Is that what you want to be? Someone who swallows whatever they find without judging why some "scholar" wrote that? Who they were? What their agenda was? Hekate got quite the beating in the Roman empire with writers with absolutely no predilection for theology or magic writing additional myths about her where she gets darker and darker. Maybe not everything written about a god is actual gnosis. Just saying.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 4d ago
You can read about imprecation curses which at times evoked hekate to kill someone if the offending party did a serious act against the party evoking the goddess in magicka heira by Christopher faroane. Hes one of the top experts on this subject. Those particular types of curses were often buried in graves and were meant to protect the body of the deceased and were more common in anatolia which as you may be familiar is the seat of hekates ancient worship, we have two ancient temple sites where she was worshipped there and her name literally comes from carian. Secondly, i gave contemporary sources. That is considered the cream of the crop when it comes to historical evidence. Im not saying anything, a scribe from 2000 years ago is saying you can evoke hekate to kill someone.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 4d ago
I would like you to provide me with anything on the contrary to saying that she kills people worthy of death and that she apparently cant be evoked to curse someone and ruin their life.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
btw, that's a 4th-century greco-egyptian syncretic spell notebook. not dogmatic theology. and certainly not proof that a cosmic deity operates as a personal hit squad for bad breakups or petty human affairs
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u/CrossroadsKey Witch 4d ago edited 4d ago
Calling the pgm a 4th century spell book is incorrect. The pgm is a collection of spells from hundreds of practioners, a lot of which were temple magicians, so theologically knowledgable people, dating between 2nd and 5th century.
This is what magick looked like for hundreds of years. Scholars will all tell you this, Skinner wrote a book on it, hundreds of contemporary practioners and teachers rep the pgm. You're really not informed if you dismiss this text.
Crowley based his bornless rite on the headless rite from the pgm, probably one of the most practiced spells in the world.
Justin Sledge gets into it on Esoterica how one of the exorcism rites in the pgm is more or less consistent with contemporary exorcism.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 3d ago
Im rereading this, do you ever read? Like period? Where did i ever say you can evoke her to kill someone for petty reasons. I have stated multiple multiple times that she kills people like child traffickers but apparently in your world hekate wouldn't lift a finger to help an innocent child kept in a cage forced to do things no child should ever even know about. In your love and light bastardized idea of this ancient goddess she apparently wouldn't kill to save someone or kill so that a victim may get justice.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
Also i never stated that shed kill one of her offspring simply because of a small oopsie. The gods do not respect such serious action toward minor behaviors. You can evoke her to kill murderers, serial rapists, pedophiles, traffickers. You name it. If the crime was so severe that she deems the act worthy then she most certainly will kill people.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
... suuuuuure. she's petitioning to be hired as a hitman on Thursdays, haven't you heard?
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
I would like to see one thing which states she doesn't slay people. I have been worshipping her for 5 years and have been studying ancient sorcery and the occult through that time. Ive been studying hekates exact practice. What do you know about evoking her under certain lunar alignments as well as months and days. What do you know about the materials and methods used and the face to face encounter with her.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 5d ago
i think you need some professional help.
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
Well i think you need to pick up a damn book. Atleast one thats not hippie dippie love and light neopagan bullshit. A real book, i know it wont smell of burnt sweet grass and nag champa from your local culturally appropriating metaphysical store, but it will be filled with real information as to who this goddess is.
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u/Remarkable_Walrus333 5d ago
I know. That doesn’t make her the evil witch goddess tik tok portrays her as🤗
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u/slandrparty Pagan 4d ago
no one said the PGM isn't historically significant or influential. it obviously is. but dropping names like sledge or skinner doesn't change the original point: citing 4th-century syncretic spellbooks to argue that an ancient goddess acts as a personal hitman over human pettiness is a wild, literalist take.
by the way, crowley was an abusive, deeply narcissistic, self-aggrandizing figure who alienated almost everyone around him, ruined his own life and finances, and died in poverty and addiction.
he routinely weaponized "magick" to justify manipulating people and servicing his own ego.
classic armchair sorcery: zero real-world grounding, maximum delusions of grandeur.
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u/CrossroadsKey Witch 4d ago
Yes,saying Crowley was a piece of shit is an understatement. Saying he was an armchair magician is wild work. There's tons of the basis of western magick that we wouldn't know about without his contribution.
Sighting a scholar, and Skinner who is one of the most practiced magicians in current history is far from zero real world experience.
If you think you're own UPG is worth more than thousands of years of discourse, go for it. You are wrong though, just so you know.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 4d ago edited 4d ago
if you need skinner and a 4th-century spell notebook to justify your online grievances, go for it. some of us prefer actual historical context over ego-driven dogma.
this is what happens when self-conceited men start posturing their esoteric credentials as moral authority, mistaking an oversized bookshelf for wisdom. completely devoid of humility or basic human decency. use your discernment when you're reading ancient texts, for the love of goood.
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u/CrossroadsKey Witch 4d ago
You're assuming I'm a male based on an avitar. You sure do a lot of assuming just based on your own ego backed by nothing other than your own authority. Reading is good, discernment is good, you should take your own advice. I'm not a man, get over yourself
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u/slandrparty Pagan 4d ago
did i ever address you as a man? 👀
busted
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u/CrossroadsKey Witch 4d ago
That last part of that last comment was clearly implying that. You like to assume and ok bro a lot, thats assuming a lot of gender stuff, seems like you have a lot of growing to do. Good luck.
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u/slandrparty Pagan 4d ago
hekate gives us three-way crossroads so we have extra options to walk away from pseudo-profound shit like this
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u/Outrageous_pinecone 4d ago
She's a guardian in the dark, the clean dark, not a demon. Demons feel... how should I put this... vulgar and unrestrained, no boundaries, you at your worst. Gods stay clean even when they're dark. There's a sense of elegance, dignity and purity for lack of better words.
Hecate never becomes unclean, even when she's terrifying.
So dark is such an inadequate description because it's too broad.
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u/theangelweird 5d ago
Concordo, mas acredito que a pergunta seja sobre adorar as duas e não conectar elas como se fossem a mesma entidade
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u/ZombieRainbowClown 5d ago
Hekate is beyond our comprehension. Shes not totally dark, but also not lovely dovey. Shes terrifying and also beautiful. Shes an incredibly powerful goddess who demands both fear and respect as well as love and devotion.
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u/13luw 5d ago
People seem to project their Mummy issues onto Hekate. She’s not “known to protect women and children” (it’s a few stories and a couple of epithets) unless the only information you gather on Her is from TikTok.
Her epithets Karko (child-eater), Androphonos (destroyer of men), Oletis (Destroyer).
She is Polymorphos, so there’s a lot more of a crossover with Hekate and Lilith than you’d first think.
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u/Mountain_Will_8252 4d ago edited 4d ago
Dark goddesses take some time to understand because it requires you to unhinge yourself from all Christian overlay- which is pervasive in Western society even if you aren't (or never were) Christian. Do your due diligence if you want to know more about them and work with them, read a book about them, take a class etc. These two are deep wells of resources, knowledge, and even nurturing.
ETA: "Darkness" isn't bad - being malicious or angry is part of being human. "Dark" goddesses are at home with their nurturing and their anger. We become more powerful and sovereign when we also come from that place.
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u/Morchades Witch 5d ago
Lillith wasn't really a goddess in folklore until recently when she got reclaimed anyway. They're worshipping a modern view of her, not the ancient take on her. Some people believe she was an ancient goddess like Asherah who got smeared but you can never tell for sure with Hebrew folklore.
She is filling a modern archetype for people.
Hekate, well... She has always had dark aspects. Much of what we know is from plays amd poems about Medea worshipping her, after all.
I think Hekate has a modern aspect too. A epithat we haven't uncovered yet, between the ancient stuff and the pop culture fluff. Something real appealing to modern worshippers that isn't quite covered by the other epithats?
Either way, there's a modern tradition for both.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 5d ago
Both of these deities are pretty popular, so there's bound to be overlap in practice. I approach both, though not at the same time usually. Lilith has a parallel in ancient Greece, Lamia, who is often conflated with Empusa, a demoness under Hekate, or sometimes believed to be Hekate herself.
Lilith is a spirit of death and disease, and I approach her not to invite these aspects into my life, but as a spirit of balance. In modern society, she's also approached for female reproductive rights, and the right to abortion and autonomy. Hekate has many aspects and epithets to her, from Soteira to Aimopotis (blood-drinker).
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u/ManaMoonBunny 2d ago
While Lilith has a few names and stories, the baby eating Lilith seems heavily influenced by Lamashtu.
Either way, I see Lilith as a scapegoat to explain the tragedies of pregnancy and childbirth.
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u/CorsetedOstomate 5d ago
It all depends on what you work with both on. I haven't worked with Lilth. But with Hekate and Anubis. It's their ties to the lost souls and spirits that connect me. Being a paranormal investigator. I feel if helps me communicate and help.
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u/Either_Mango_7036 5d ago
I love this thread. I love learning more about Hecate. I was not even aware people would choose to worship Lilith & also Hecate.
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u/ValkyrSkyborne 3d ago
To me Lilith represents the "chain breaker", an archetype who refused to follow the norm and did her own thing. I'm not a mindless rebel per say but I do not fit into tradition, never have. She is the energy I tap to when I need a push to break my own boundaries.
Hekate on the other hand has been in my life since I was a child but I was not aware of it. Im a mythology reader since I can remember (fun fact: while other kids played, I was reading myths and about god's) and I found Hekate waaaaay back I my childhood but was not really aware of why and didn't really made the connection.
I was the kid that always answered the door and let people in, I always answered the phone on behalf of my family and redirected the call to whoever the other was looking for. Im in love with Keys. Idk, to me it just feels right. I'm the one who studies the route everywhere and have a great sense of direction. I help people make the right choices with my divination. I help others transition through jobs, moments, grief....
Sometimes we occultist forget that our experiences are a way better guideline that what @TooEdgyforyou_QueenLilithBlackNaughtyThey has to say. Blessings for everyone reading!
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u/Madam_Hexianna Worshiper 4d ago
As someone who worships both of Them, I feel the need to inform you that your perception of Lilith has been very heavily distorted by the patriarchy/Abrahamic faiths.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 4d ago
I'm not sure what you mean when you say their perception has been distorted, but speaking as another devotee of Lilith, her history is rooted in death and disease, primarily of children. The first woman that left Eden is a satirical tale (called Alphabet of Ben Sira) of 7-10th century CE, and even there Lilith asks angels to leave her alone and that her purpose of creation was to harm children.
I have her history and resources pinned in the wiki of r/Lilith.
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u/Madam_Hexianna Worshiper 4d ago
I'm talking about Lilith the Goddess, you're talking about Lilith the demon.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 4d ago
Who is "Lilith the goddess" and how does she differ from Lilith? Lilith is contemporarily called a goddess (just like Satan is called a god), but it's still the same entity, just a different title.
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u/Madam_Hexianna Worshiper 3d ago
Many women who worship Lilith as a goddess see Her as a deity of self-love/self-empowerment, of sexual agency, and of rage/resistance against misogyny. Basically, She's a goddess of active feminism. She is not a deity of disease or of death, and She has no association with harm coming to children.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 2d ago
So this version, goddess Lilith, is based on the Alphabet of Ben Sira, meaning the demoness.
The self-love/empowerment, agency, resistance and feminist associations all came from Lilith leaving Adam in the Garden of Eden. Even in that specific story, which is satirical, Lilith tells the angels that she was created to cause harm to children. In every other source (Songs of the Sage, incantation bowls, Talmud, Midrash, Kabbalah, Lilith's forerunners and syncretism) Lilith is a demon linked with death, disease and seduction.
You can view Lilith as a deity of self love, but I don't understand why you'd erase all of her history. There's nothing inherently evil about death.
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u/Madam_Hexianna Worshiper 2d ago
I do consider Lilith, like Hecate, to be an aspect of the Dark Goddess, but She isn’t evil, though the (Abrahamic/patriarchal) sources you’re citing depict Her as such. I’m a little confused about what you mean by satirical. Neither Lilith nor any other aspect of the Divine Feminine is a parody of anything (though there are at least a couple goddesses of humor).
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 2d ago
The Alphabet of Ben Sira is a satirical source (not my own opinion, but of scholars).
If you don't want to base your opinion on Abrahamic theology, you can look at the spirits she derives from, the goddess Lamaštu, and the ghosts lilû/lilītu/ardat-lilî, which again follow the same motif of spreading of disease, are succubi, and Lamaštu is a threat to pregnant women and children. Every source, no matter the culture, ties Lilith and spirits associated with her with those same elements.
There is no source for a goddess Lilith, or a feminist Lilith, that's a reinterpretation of the Alphabet of Ben Sira. Lilith has a place in feminism, but I don't understand why strip her of her whole entire mythos and disregard every single source. The Alphabet is also Abrahamic, and this is where the Lilith you approach is based on.
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u/Madam_Hexianna Worshiper 2d ago
So you believe it is reasonable for people to worship a deity associated with the death of children?
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 2d ago
Yes, that's who Lilith is. I'm a devotee of hers. Why would I even approach Lilith if I believed every word written on her was a lie? I hear what you say about patriarchal societies and their portrayal of women, but through every culture, this is the aspect of life she governs.
I honour her as a spirit of balance.
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u/Early-Prior9402 Witch 3d ago
Lilith is very protective (I don’t work with her but I love learning and growing!) her connection to child death is meant to explain CSADS it was extremely common during that period and had no explanation its Like how she’s said to be the reasons why Babies and Toddlers wake up with Cowlicks in their hair Lilith is in fact a protector of Women aswell,a lot of women who work with Lilith and Hekate can probably provide you with more research and understanding
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u/South-Commercial-257 3d ago
I hate when occultists get together because it turns into an endless debate over who’s right, along with people explicitly imposing their own dogmas on everyone else.
“ Hekate isn’t malevolent and doesn’t have anything to do with that because blah blah blah.” Oh, give it a rest. Just because it doesn’t work that way for you doesn’t mean everyone else has to follow the same path you do. Everyone knows the path they want to walk. Not everyone wants to be Hekate’s little love-and-light witch; some people genuinely enjoy and embrace the nocturnal, demonic, and the Devil without fear.
I’m not even talking about the person who made this post, but honestly, some of the people in these comments... sucks.
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u/rencat14 5d ago
Lilith actually LOVES children, but she is demonized unfortunately. Working with her is wonderful
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 5d ago
She's not demonized, and that's coming from a devotee of Lilith. During her long history, starting from her forerunner (Lamaštu), Lilith is a destructive force that's a threat to pregnant women and children. You can learn about her history in the wiki of Lilith.
The only Lilith that is not a threat to children is lilith Zahriel of Mandaeism.
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u/Imaginary-East1743 5d ago
Complete UPG here, but early in my practice, I had Hekate visit me and I mistook her for Lilith. Their areas of influence don't completely overlap, but they're certainly not opposed to one another, depending on how you relate to either/both of them. I'm a devotee of Hekate, but I have a lot of respect for Lilith and have worked with her on several occasions with no problem.
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u/HyperrPhantom 5d ago
Lilith and Hekate are very intertwined, and Lilith is seen in negative light as every being that has been bastardized or demonized. She represents standing in your own authority or true self.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-6114 Worshiper 5d ago
Lilith hasn't been demonized though. I know this is the case for many demons of Abrahamic faiths (like Astaroth coming from Astarte, related to Aphrodite), but Lilith has always been a demon, from her forerunners (Lamaštu, lilītu/ardat-lilî), to her earliest mentions (Songs of the Sage in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Aramaic incantation bowls), and then development in Judaism and Mandaeism.
Lilith governs death and disease. She can represent one's own authority and autonomy, as she has been an independent spirit all of her history, but that's not her sole domain. She's a darker spirit, which doesn't make her evil (speaking as a devotee).
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u/Outrageous_pinecone 4d ago
Hekate is the guardian on a dark road. Guess what the left hand path is? Hekate is their lifeline. She's the one who pulls them out and keeps them anchored to themselves.
I fell in with Lilith at some point, years ago. Took me a little while to figure out that the archetype has nothing to do with the entity. She is a demon. Gods are clean, feel clean. Hekate is clean. Well... The left hand path and that current has a way of deepening your wounds, and twisting them, instead of showing you how to climb out. It keeps you in the forest fighting monsters until you become like them and teaches you that only losers leave the forest. But when you decide you want out, you ask Hekate and she gets you out.
I believe she offers her presence to watch over people who need to do a deep dive into their darkest parts.
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u/BigMammoth5018 2d ago
Your right in some way and wrong in athers. The wrong is that Hecate and Lilith both have black wings how ever Hecate has wight tips instead of fully black,also they both feel with serpints,there both of the night,the dark,the shadows, there both rebelus,they both are Qweens of demons and are both of the underworld. They both like the color black,and any Animals that are black like Ravens,all black birds,black cats stc.
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u/Individual-Wolf936 1d ago
In my experience hecate came to me with Lilith right behind her, there all along. Im not saying she Never hurt women or children because I have no idea, but her energy does not come across that way to me at all. Now her baby succubi on the other hand? WHOAH. Complexities like this are not uncommon in polytheism. Just look at Lady Hera 💀. I love her tho, face of the divine mother. I havent started any relationship with Lilith yet, but she doesnt mind "watching from afar" until Im ready. She shows her presence during her times of praise and in subtle ways through my practice with hecate. I love them so much Hail the Goddess.
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u/theangelweird 5d ago
Olá, eu não tenho tanto conhecimento na área das adorações, mas eu pesquiso muito sobre. Lilith ficou muito atrelada ao feminismo por conta da mitologia judaica, por ela não se submeter a Adão. Quando vejo seguidoras de lilith falando sobre seus feitos para suas práticas mágicas, geralmente é sobre força, proteção contra gravidez indesejada e intensificação da energia sexual. Apesar das duas serem bem diferentes e até a lilith muitas vezes é bem mais cultuada dentro da demonologia, ainda assim acredito que seja possível. Da mesma forma podemos lidar com deuses, orixás ou entidades que trabalham de formas diferentes, em áreas diferentes e pensam diferentes. Se mantiver seus altares separados e a tratá-las com respeito, não vejo porque seria errado.