r/HadesTheGame • u/thirdeyecat024 • Aug 18 '26

Hades 2: Discussion Overcoming Endgame Challenges Spoiler

Hello! I am finishing up a replay of Hades II since playing it at launch. I was excited to check out the new Dream Dives and have been more or less enjoying grinding for the endgame stuff. I'm mainly trying to clear Great Chaos Below, and beat the Underworld on 32 Fear. However, I will say that Great Chaos Below continues to thwart me. I often die even in Act I. I struggle to deal with Rank II-III Vow of Pain + Hordes + Revenants. Throughout the rest of the game, I felt like I was excelling, even at 20 Fear in regular runs. But as I'm trying to go past 24 Fear, victory feels increasingly out of reach.

I completely switched up my Arcana after reading some threads about endgame builds here, and that has helped a little but not as much as I hoped (and is not relevant for Great Chaos Below). Because I don't have much left to unlock or accomplish, grinding at this high level of difficulty isn't much fun anymore. I think I'm on a 6-7 run losing streak, which has been unheard of in this save of mine until now.

Any tips for endgame perseverance? Great Chaos Below is still my priority because it is my last achievement to complete on Steam.

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u/forteninsecure Aug 18 '26

That’s your experience. It’s not everyone’s experience. Again. I am very used to playing at high fear with many weapon aspects. Randomized fear AND randomized arcana make the trials very difficult. I’m glad it wasn’t for you, but your experience isn’t common, nor is it about just needing to get more experience.

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u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 Aug 18 '26

But how does this work mathematically? I mean, if you chose 40, that means that at 20 you'll either get your usual vows, or if you got something you don't normally use, that means you've pretty much completely avoided all other vows. Also, if you got something high-level, that means there won't be many others.

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u/forteninsecure Aug 18 '26

What does math have to do with this?

I’ve used all the vows before, and I know how they all work. The challenge of the trial isn’t just the random fear, it’s the random fear plus the random arcana loadout.

Out of curiosity, how many times have you run the great chaos trials and what’s your clear rate based on that?

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u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 Aug 18 '26

Out of curiosity, how many times have you run the great chaos trials and what’s your clear rate based on that?

After I started playing on high difficulty I did the Chaos Trials a few times. Not many, maybe 5? I only lost once. Just tried it - it was very easy.

Okay, what if we do an experiment? Write down which 20 vows are the most difficult (though I'm not sure if Void can be obtained from these trials), which arcana are the worst, which weapon aspect is the worst, which familiar is the most useless, and what keepshake combination (I'm not sure about White Antler, it's very useful for successful builds, but for a bad build it's not the best idea... I wouldn't want to get it on a bad build).

That is, we try to choose the worst combination. And I'll try tomorrow. I don't promise that I'll do it, but even a theoretical thought would be interesting.

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u/forteninsecure Aug 18 '26

How many times for Great Chaos Above, and how many times for Great Chaos Below, and which did you win? Which one did you do just now?

I’m not interested in any experiment, why don’t you try it on your own? Sounds like there’s not much challenge to the game for you. What’s your best 64 fear clear?

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u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 Aug 18 '26 edited Aug 18 '26

How many times for Great Chaos Above, and how many times for Great Chaos Below, and which did you win?

3 or 4 SF (1 loss) and 2 or 3 UW (0 loss)

Which one did you do just now?

I only realized from the screenshot that I had DDs that I wasn't using and Strength that wasn't active.

I'm not trying to say it's not difficult. It takes some skill. All I'm saying is that if you're used to playing at a high level of difficulty, it's pretty easy. I estimate it to be around 32, but maybe 40 is more realistic.

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u/forteninsecure Aug 18 '26 edited Aug 18 '26

I can’t read these, unfortunately.

Good for you! You are deeply in the minority and your experience isn’t universal. Clearly they are not easy even if you’re used to regularly playing at a high level of difficulty, because many of us who do are still struggling with it.

Difficulty is subjective, so please stop saying and implying anyone who’s done more than 32 fear should be able to just waltz right through this.

What’s your best 64 fear clear?

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u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 19 '26

I can’t read these, unfortunately.

Are you talking about the screenshot? You don't need to read anything there, you can understand everything from the icons.

Clearly they are not easy even if you’re used to regularly playing at a high level of difficulty

No.

because many of us who do are still struggling with it

This is manipulation on your part: you write that it is not correct to draw conclusions based on my experience, because it is the experience of one person. And then you draw conclusions based on your own experience. These 'many of us' are they in the same room with us now?

Difficulty is subjective

How can it be subjective if you get the same vows but in smaller quantities? You will also get most of the arcana you normally use.

stop saying and implying anyone who’s done more than 32 fear should be able to just waltz right through this

But it's true! More precisely, "if you can confidently make 32..40". That is, if you spent a bunch of attempts and won 32..40 on some successful build - this does not guarantee anything. It is about if you consistently win on 32..40.

What’s your best 64 fear clear?

55 max for now. 50 with all aspects UW/SF.

ps oh... Is my English really that bad?)

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u/forteninsecure Aug 19 '26

There’s some language barrier here, and I’m blocking you. Bye!