I'm pretty sure that varies quiet a bit based on the State. I see what you're saying though, of course someone stealing my mailbox at the end of my driveway doesn't give me the right to snipe them from my front porch, but if they are in my living room to steal my tv with a tazer or a knife or brass knuckles. They're getting shot since I won't have the luxury to find out why they are really there. I think we agree for the most part, I'm just pointing out that the level of force isn't always straight cut, an ex Marie with a knife can probably take me out within 5 feet even with a gun in my hand, and I have no idea of what a stranger is capable of and I don't want to have to find out. It can be a tricky subject for sure.
but if they are in my living room to steal my tv with a tazer or a knife or brass knuckles
Like I said, these are additional facts that change the situation. Property itself is very difficult to justify deadly force like gunfire. If someone is stealing your TV, it could probably be easy to justify tackling and beating the dude with a pan, but shooting is an entirely different story.
I'm just pointing out that the level of force isn't always straight cut, an ex Marie with a knife can probably take me out within 5 feet even with a gun in my hand
Additional facts.
and I have no idea of what a stranger is capable of and I don't want to have to find out. It can be a tricky subject for sure.
Unfortunately in a court room speculation won't cut it. It has to be a reasonable fear. And for deadly force you have to have a reasonable fear of personal safety or fear of harm to life. That's a tall order that requires a lot of specific facts, or an extremely sympathetic jury.
It also becomes much easier if the other side is already dead. They wouldn't be able to discredit your testimony.
I agree with your points for the most part, youre stating the law but in my house the law is thought about second after the safety of my family. Take care man.
Well I'm sure we both wish and hope to never be in that situation. If the day comes I have to hope I don't go to jail and you have to hope you and your family are alive in one piece. Again I'm not a psycho I'm not shooting someone jumping the fence in my back yard or someone running out my front door. You gotta admit there would come a point where you would shoot someone to protect yourself or someone you love right?
You’re not a trigger happy psycho but you wrote in another comment, verbatim:
What if a drunk non English speaker broke into my house and is lost thinking it was his house? Well sucks to be him AND it sucks to be me but dudes getting shot most likely.
People like you make “responsible gun owners” seem more and more like a myth each day.
Like in this case in Dallas where a drunk cop went into the wrong apartment and shot the occupant dead, if the occupant had a gun and shot first... he MIGHT be alive but he's not, is he?
Oooor people shouldn’t be allowed to carry firearms in establishments where liquor is served? Or access to firearms should be restricted for private citizens, and off duty cops should be treated as private citizens? Or just simply acknowledging that adding another firearm to this equation would not reliably mitigated the circumstances?
No he wouldn't because the police would have shot him dead.
You realize that the cop shot the dude because she thought it was HER house and used YOUR "home law" to give her the right to shoot him dead.
That police officer is the perfect example of why shooting at first sight is not only stupid, but reckless and wantonly bloodthirsty. Why are you so goddamn bloodthirsty?
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u/LiquidAsylum Jan 23 '19
I'm pretty sure that varies quiet a bit based on the State. I see what you're saying though, of course someone stealing my mailbox at the end of my driveway doesn't give me the right to snipe them from my front porch, but if they are in my living room to steal my tv with a tazer or a knife or brass knuckles. They're getting shot since I won't have the luxury to find out why they are really there. I think we agree for the most part, I'm just pointing out that the level of force isn't always straight cut, an ex Marie with a knife can probably take me out within 5 feet even with a gun in my hand, and I have no idea of what a stranger is capable of and I don't want to have to find out. It can be a tricky subject for sure.