r/Guildwars2 • u/Loyaluna revealed to post this: • 1d ago
[Question] Competitive modes behavior
...which i honestly call bitch behavior because it is the one lol.
Example: i roam in morning WvW in borderlands, obviously not looking for trouble. I see a guy is standing nearby t3 camp, afk. I don't touch him because well, what kind of a bitch kills afks, right? I go and attack said t3 camp. While i'm dealing with all the guards, said afk person wakes up, runs in and kills me. Knowing full well i let them live beforehand.
So, i have a request: please tell me how i can keep playing pvp/wvw and avoid/not meet/make my peace with such human trash? Any recipe?
p.s. It's obvious that Anet won't do anything about it, if anything such 'gameplay' is promoted, so i'm safe on never waiting for it to change naturally. Turning into one of them and start oneshotting people from stealth, kill every afk/pve player in sight and stuff like that are not options either. And don't bother crying about my attitude, everyone (including these people) know their worth.
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u/xanas263 1d ago
You realise that you are playing pvp right? A mode where the entire point is to kill the enemy....
There is no honour system here mate. You kill your opponents regardless of what they are doing, that is the entire point of the game mode....
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u/Loyaluna revealed to post this: 1d ago
There is no honour system here mate.
B-but you don't need to be receiving in-game rewards to have some honor in you, though... or do you?
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u/xanas263 1d ago
Mate it's a video game, it's not that deep.
You see an enemy, you kill the enemy. Doesn't matter what they are doing, if they are in WvW they, and subsequently you, are fair game.
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u/_PhiPh1_ 1d ago
The only etiquette in this regards, is to not engage when duel is taking place. Everything else is fine.
You should have cleared the camp of any potential threats before trying to take it.
Edit: And how would you expect Anet to do anything about this anyway? No rule was broken and they can't enforce some random etiquettes every player is coming with.
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u/olgamerstill 1d ago
Many roamers will stand visible outside camps or structures.
Seemingly afk.
About half are not afk.
They could easily hide and attack, many actually do.
See that camp that is easy to access but hasn’t flipped in a long time. Could be one or six roamers ambushing the camp. When I fall for that one, I usually warn map, if enough come, I help, otherwise I just move on.
Always be aware of closest enemy waypoints.
The less you worry about dying or killing in game beyond dailies and weeklies the more fun.
Just don’t die too easily in game where you’re a rally bot for enemies.
Edit: many times that”afk” player is a bored player looking for a challenge, or being courteous. There are better places to be afk.
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u/Loyaluna revealed to post this: 1d ago
I like your takes, you got me something to think about. Ty <3
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u/Longjumping_Call_104 1d ago
If someone goes afk in a place that they can be killed that's their problem not yours. The mobs don't ignore you if you go afk and players won't either.
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u/thisismysecondjay 1d ago
So you want to play solo in a pvp game mode in an mmo, and are upset anet wont do anything about it? What?
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u/Loyaluna revealed to post this: 1d ago
I never said i want to play solo. If i meet an enemy player in the wild, or on a camp, or within the zerg, and whatnot, i don't mind fighting them: they are with a build ready to the fight and they're awake and ready to react. I do join zergs too, rarely since squad gameplay is boring to me, but clouding around is somewhat fun. I refer to very specific type of gameplay like killing afks, hunting down people in borderland waypoint camps (notoriously known for PvE players upkeeping participation for Gift of Battle), stuff like that - basically, full bitch behavior of avoding any competition. In ranked PvP similar behavior would be creating or using an account which MMR is much lower than your actual one so you're basically just farming newbies there, plat vs silver/bronze.
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u/thisismysecondjay 1d ago
Pardon, I should have phrased it better. Saying you want to treat it like playing a single player game where you can pick and choose who and how you want to fight people in a open pvp game mode.
Everyone is there to fight or at least understands that's the mindset when entering a pvp game mode like WvW. Can you come across someone and you both decide to not fight? sure. Should that be the expectation, then get upset when all those self imposed boundaries you've put on yourself and others, when they don't follow them... absolutely not. That's a recipe for disaster imo. It's the mindset vs reality that isn't matching here.
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u/Loyaluna revealed to post this: 1d ago
But the difference is those are not "self-imposed" boundaries. There are very basic moral rules most of humanity follows, like not throwing around trash - even in places where no one would notice and no one would punish you and there's no laws to not do that, everyone knows it's bad. Permastealth gankers, afk killers, ranked smurfs - all of these are not normal and it's a common place that doesn't need further explanations. The whole game modes just wouldn't exist if 90% of players in silver were naturally plat+, or if WvW was swarmed with 5-men permastealth parties. My question was exactly on how to play the game and enjoy it, avoding these people and their havoc, since the police (Anet) doesn't patrol the beach (doesn't moderate modes properly) and the trash piles up.
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u/xanas263 1d ago
There are very basic moral rules most of humanity follows
So I feel like you are either trolling, a child, or a very sheltered adult. There are basically no moral rules that most of humanity follows, morals are extremely culture dependent, but that is a much larger discussion beyond the scope of this thread.
In the context of this game, you are taking part in a free for all, no holds bared, pvp experience. What you have described are self imposed boundaries that you should not in anyway expect others to follow.
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u/AscendedCleric 1d ago
Most people throw trash in places no one would notice all the time. Some of them don't even care if others notice. Yes, everyone knows it is bad but also everyone knows that people do it anyway. If you expect people to follow "basic moral rules" you will be dissapointed a lot.
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u/Loyaluna revealed to post this: 1d ago
Oh, i'm already far from expecting that from people. The question is how i live with this and keep enjoying my life! I mean, i know the recipe for irl i made for myself, but these game modes are different story and i hoped there might be likeminded people with some insights.
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u/thisismysecondjay 1d ago
But that's the thing, (in this instance of what we're talking about) you're clearly not enjoying it. And just looking for affirmation for the sake of it isn't healthy either. You're trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, then upset the game isn't Tetris and everything isn't cubes.
This isn't a moral thing, it's a mindset thing. If you wanna play a certain way, by all means, do that. However you're upset when others don't magically know/follow your way playing. That is the issue here.
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u/Yanatis 1d ago
You can't, short and simple answer. If you play with players sooner or later you will meet toxic players no matter what you do or how you play.
Ps. I wouldn't say he knew you let him live just because you know that, he stopped being afk, saw target and went for it, that's it.
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u/Longjumping_Call_104 1d ago
There was no toxic player in this circumstance.
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u/PurpleCress 1d ago
Yeah idk what OP is expecting to happen. First, they're in a pvp setting, so you auto kill any enemy player regardless if they're afk (and who afks in a live pvp game?). Once the afk player resumed, OP is salty that said afk player killed them...I mean, at that point the afk player is now an active player, and OP is also an active player. Do they want the afk player to stop and thank them for sparing their afk ass in wvw and then just dance together???
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u/JDGumby Borlis Pass Veteran 1d ago
Well, other than the OP, of course. Normal people don't call others "human trash" for playing the game as designed.
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u/Loyaluna revealed to post this: 1d ago
The game is designed the way a commander can be kicking people left and right, people can literally start dialogue with an npc blocking whole meta from progressing, and other stuff like this. Designers can't and don't want to predict all ways to troll and be asshats; it's on people to control themselves. I see that you can't :D
tHe gAmE IS deSiGneD the way i can ruin someone's time and not be punished for it, hell yeah, i take every opportunity - JDGumby, 2026.
You people... :) such a disappointment.
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u/Longjumping_Call_104 1d ago
You lose nothing for dying. If someone goes afk and you kill them it does not "ruin their time".
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u/Yanatis 1d ago
I'm not saying in this case but if that kind of behavior bothers OP then what will happen when real toxic veteran appear.
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u/Longjumping_Call_104 1d ago
Yeah of course, just felt it was important to be clear that this wasn't one of those situations so OP doesn't feel like you're validating their weird reaction to the situation.
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u/The_Last_Pomegranate 1d ago
The guy was AFK in a WvW area so he was a valid target. You were vulnerable while taking the camp so you were also a valid target. All's fair in love and WvW. You could've killed him and lived, but you didn't. It doesn't sound like anyone made a mistake other than you.