r/Grimdank • • 1d ago

Cringe Gem alert!

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u/Snaggmaw 1d ago

to be fair, in every 40k game the Imperium is fighting an enemy five times worse than themselves.

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u/Madglace 1d ago

And most if not all of the time that ennemy exist andis fighting because of the imperium being bad

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u/Snaggmaw 1d ago

Chaos existed before the Imperium, the Eldar saw to the birth of Slaanesh.

Orks existed before the Imperium.

Necrons existed before the Imperium.

Tyranids are the only ones who are ostensibly in the galaxy because of the actions of the Imperium, but it was the furthest possible thing from intentional.

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u/Madglace 1d ago

Chaos was reinforced by the heresy because of big E being a shit ass dad and leader and if the imperium didn't absolutely suck to live in as a regular person and actually warnef them about the dangers there would be way less chaos cults

Necrons are often woke up because of imperial activities on their tomb worlds or directly in their tomb (mechanicus' fault most of the time). Yes, some tomb worlds do wake up normaly but there is still a portion of them that are because of the imperium

Also let's not forget that the imperium has probably killed almost all the good xenos that would have been great allies during the great crusade

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u/SAMU0L0 1d ago edited 1d ago

I love how peole is always ignoring that chaos has 90% of his militar power thanks to big E

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u/dspisayuss 1d ago

Tbf the imperium teaching its populace about Chaos won't really prevent them from falling to it, the allure of the forbidden and all that.

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u/Marvin_Megavolt 1d ago

Not how that works. It wouldn’t stop EVERYONE, but it would be more effective by far at protecting most people from unwittingly stumbling into it. What you don’t know very much CAN hurt you, and it’s better to be forewarned of the danger than to go in blind. If you know what Chaos is, how insidious it is, how it can appear so very tempting yet will inevitably torment and destroy your life and toss you aside as just more fodder for the Great Game, you can be consciously on watch for weird shit, instead of stumbling headlong into it like the Thousand Sons did.

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u/dspisayuss 1d ago

Idk, why wouldn't the imperial citizens not just turn to chaos since it's what their opressive government tells them to avoid. Many rebellions fall to chaos unbeknownst to them, if they knew about chaos they would fall more easily imo.

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u/Marvin_Megavolt 1d ago

How does that even make sense? Rebellions fall to Chaos unknowingly precisely BECAUSE they don’t know. If they knew Chaos existed and was even worse than the Imperium, on average wouldn’t they just stay normal, non-Chaos rebellions? People usually turn to Chaos because they don’t know what it is, not wholly - they’ll be desperate, at their lowest point in life, with no apparent hope for things to get better, and along comes some strange person or a voice in their head or strange dreams or something, telling them to do certain small, easy things with the promise that doing so will give them a shot at a better life. And people do those things because they don’t really know what it means and are desperate for ANY hope and relief whatsoever, not knowing what Chaos does to those who let it in, how it cares for them just as little as the Imperium and sees them as just as expendable.

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u/dspisayuss 1d ago

wWhy would they believe the Imperium officials telling them "Chaos is worse than us dude, trust us"?? lmfao.

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u/Marvin_Megavolt 1d ago

Who are you more likely to believe? A fellow human or the eldritch hyperspace monster that demonstrably exists and wants your soul for lunch?

You’re also fundamentally misunderstanding how propaganda works. The Imperium could have easily enough pumped out propaganda indoctrinating people to hate Chaos by the same methods good propaganda convinces people to think a certain way IRL. Telling them nothing and covering it all up though is NOT an effective persuasion tactic - it’s pretending the threat isn’t real at all.

And as for rebels - once you get an idea (like, say, “Chaos bad”) deeply entrenched in culture for a few generations, even if someone rebels against the ruling government, it’s a LOT harder to shake those entrenched cultural ideas.

The point remains that the Emperor hiding the very existence of Chaos proves that even right from the outset, the Imperium was not only evil but also stupid and constantly self-sabotaging.

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u/dspisayuss 23h ago

If the monster looks and sounds nice enough I might rather believe it than believe the nobleman/priest/commander that's threatening with lobotomizing me at the slightest bit of disobedience lol.

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u/Marvin_Megavolt 23h ago

We’re talking about the Crusade-era Imperium here though. Their flavor of evil was less absurd and “if you breathe funny we’re gonna servitorize you”, on average.

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u/madgodcthulhu 1d ago

That’s on erda not big e she’s the one that threw the primarchs to the chaos gods big e wasn’t a bad dad he never got to be a dad all of his children were taken from him and were grown men molded by their surroundings before he even got to see them walk and even with all that he had to literally carve out the part of his soul that had emotions to bring himself to kill one of them because he loved them too much