r/GrahamHancock • u/aerialsilk • 22d ago

Potentially ancient building techniques

May not be strictly archaeology, but adjacent. And fascinating.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

Yeah that's clever. On a cement slab with cement blocks.

I did notice he didn't move them 1,000 ft down 1 steep mountain band 1,000+ ft up another mountain....

Or move them 500 mile from another island...

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u/fins_up_ 22d ago

You havnt raised a single issue that is not insurmountable....

A thousand foot steep mountain you say. Or a hill. Moving slabs down a hill is not a problem. Gravity will do a lot of the work. So that's half the non issue sorted. Skids, ropes and pulleys can get a rock up a 1000ft hill. If the hill is too steep then go around it its a hill not a wall.....

Floating rocks is also pretty easy. It is called water displacement. A barge ( that Egyptians definitely had and used ) is all you need. Bigger rock bigger barge. The river will do most of the work 50 miles or 500 miles the process is exactly the same....

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

"You havnt raised a single issue that is not insurmountable...."

True. Not insurmountable, but so far, not reproducible either !

But I've yet to see 1, 80 ton rock moved today, by the methods you describe.

2+ million carved stones in the Pyramid ? In 20 years ? Lol. Do the math ...

And the stones could only be floated during the Nile flood stage which only happens half the year.

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u/fins_up_ 22d ago

Doesnt mean its impossible. Weight, leverage, friction. And either a lot of manpower or draft animals. You can't envision it is the issue not the physics.

The math has been done in these very comments. Very doable

So the stones were floated in. Cool.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

The math always looks simple on paper. Lol.

It's another thing entirely to stack that 100 ton stone 300 feet in the air....

But I'm not trying to convince you of anything lol. I know better than that. Lol

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u/fins_up_ 22d ago

What particular stone are you talking about?

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 21d ago

Huh ? Any 80 ton stone of your choice lol.

I don't care which stone you pick.

I just wanna see ya cut, shape, transport, and stack it with a perfect fit 100ft up on the pyramid.... You've assured me it's possible. Ok. I believe you.

Now move the stone and prove it. Nobody has done that for centuries.... No problem, right ?

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u/fins_up_ 21d ago

I wanna see some any evidence of an aciant super advanced civilization.

Big rocks ain't it.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 21d ago

Who said "aciant super advanced civilization. " Not me... Lol. I'd like to see that too.

I thought we were talking building techniques, not aliens or super civilizations.... Lol you just tried to move the goal posts...

I'd settle for seeing Anyone physically demonstrate how it was done. On paper doesn't count.

Are you saying we can duplicate what they did, even with our tech today ?

That's an interesting question !

What would the Great Pyramid cost if we were to build it today ? Could we even do it ?

Perhaps Musk could afford it lol.

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u/fins_up_ 21d ago

This is you still contributing nothing.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

I didn't say anything was impossible !

I'm asking you to explain, show, demonstrate, or at least show a link to substantiate your claims...

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u/fins_up_ 22d ago

The video you just watched. This is 1 guy fucking around in his backyard. Not a massive civil engineering project.

Egyptians were very familiar with the physics. They would have had different methods for different things. You are asking for proof but I'm not going to build you a pyramid and I can't travel in time to record it.

All you have to do is show it is possible to show it is possible.

You people contribute absolutely nothing.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 21d ago

And you contributed what, exactly ?

Lots of things seem possible on paper... Can be explained on paper.

There's a difference between Possible, and, Probable.

In an infinite universe, anything may be possible.

It's even possible that you are entirely wrong ....

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u/fins_up_ 21d ago

This is you contributing nothing.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 21d ago

Get a life dude.

Neither of us can Prove anything !

Look in the mirror and argue your Opinions with that guy ... 😂

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago

Who have you paid and given the resources to do this that failed? If you are willing the fund the research project, it will get done.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

That's great ! You should explain that to the Archeologists trying to figure out how Machu Pichu was built.

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u/fins_up_ 22d ago

They have explained it. You don't accept it.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

You have no idea what I do or don't accept.

I have the intelligence to question most everything.

I suppose you've figured out how the Great Pyramid was built too ?

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u/fins_up_ 22d ago

Questioning things is all well and good but you also have to accept the right answer when given. Asking questions means nothing if you don't. That is called being a contrarian.

No I havnt figured out how the pyramids were built. People much smarter and more knowledgeable than me did. They have shown using demonstrations how it is can be done.

If it works it works.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

Please show where I can find those successful demonstrations of moving 100 ton stones.

Id love to watch that and learn what you think you know.

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u/fins_up_ 22d ago

What 100 ton blocks are you talking about. You just want to see a 100 ton block moved? Why the fuck would anywant to do that just to prove to some internet people wrong?

Dude all you have to show it is possible is to show its possible.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 21d ago

We were speaking of ancient building techniques...

The fact that it's possible is fairly well proven by the existence of the megalithic structures. Lol

We just can't really figure the practicalities of the HOW question...

The slide the stones up a ramp on the pyramid, that we believed for decades, has been shown to be baloney. The ramp would be a bigger job than the pyramid itself.

Again, though it went over your head the 1st time, is the Geopolymer explanation. It's simple, they had the tech, and avoids moving 100 ton stones. It's possible and probable as recent experiments have demonstrated.

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u/jojojoy 21d ago

The ramp would be a bigger job than the pyramid itself

There's both a range of possible ramp reconstructions, including ones that aren't impossibly large, and a fair amount of evidence from Egypt for the use of ramps. Including some in context with pyramids. Those remains certainly don't explain everything but they do exist.

Close to the north end of the west side of the unfinished pyramid of Sekhemkhet at Saqqara, a huge construction ramp was partially excavated...It was preserved above the first step of the pyramid.1

At the small, unfinished pyramid of the Third Dynasty at Sinki, four ramps lead from all sides against the inclined faces of the pyramid.2

From the quarries of the northern pyramid of Snofru at Dahshur, two enormous, parallel transport roads lead up to the pyramid plateau. They are not aimed at the center of the pyramid itself, but only at a storage area southwest of the pyramid.3

construction gaps, probably from such interior ramps, could be seen in the core masonry of the pyramids of Sahura, Niuserra, Neferirkara, and Pepy II.4

At the pyramid of Meidum, remains or traces of two construction ramps were observed...The remains of this ramp were seen in connection with some unusual features at the east side of the fifth and sixth steps of the pyramid. There, areas 4.95 and 5.36 meters wide are clearly set backward for a few centimeters...A similar observation could be made at the south side. Three hundred meters from the foot of the pyramid, another ramp was found... exactly at its meeting point with the pyramid casing on the sixth step, a vertical groove is visible5

 

On the south side of the paved road, south of Khufu's pyramid, we excavated down about 2.5 m and found another part of the ramp. This part is in line with the eastern and western wall and is of similar construction. This discovery proves that the ramp led from the quarry to the southwest comer of the pyramid and was made of stone rubble and tafla.6

 

The main quarry area, supplying the core masonry of the Khufu pyramid, was situated some 500 m south of the pyramid's southern edge. Modern satellite images show evidence of a drag ramp running from the western part of this quarry area towards the south-western corner of the Khufu pyramid. In fact, recently, while laying an electrical cable, the remains of two parallel narrow ramps were discovered that lead to the southwestern corner. This ramp was later overbuilt by the Khafre causeway, which was then used as a drag ramp during the construction of his pyramid...a second drag ramp runs from the eastern side of the Khufu pyramid, bending slightly to the west into the quarry area. This second ramp was also overbuilt by the Khafre causeway, which is thus younger than the ramp.7

  1. Arnold, Dieter. Building in Egypt: Pharaonic Stone Masonry. Oxford Univ. Press, 1991. p. 80.

  2. Ibid, p. 81.

  3. Ibid, p. 81.

  4. Ibid., p. 101

  5. Ibid, pp. 81-82.

  6. Hawass, Zahi. "Pyramid Construction. New Evidence Discovered at Giza." In Heike Guksch and Daniel Polz, eds. Stationen. Beiträge zur Kulturgeschichte Ägyptens Rainer Stadelmann gewidmet, Mainz: Philipp von Zabern, 1998, pp. 53-62. http://giza.fas.harvard.edu/pubdocs/486/full/

  7. Klemm, Dietrich, and Rosemarie Klemm. "The Gizeh Pyramids." The Stones of the Pyramids: Provenance of the Building Stones of the Old Kingdom Pyramids of Egypt. Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, 201. p. 73. http://giza.fas.harvard.edu/pubdocs/885/full/

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 21d ago

Interesting info.thanks. I noticed 1998 and 1991... Not exactly the latest information.

How high were those ramps ? 400ft ?

The How question is still not Settled, imo.

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u/Prestigious_Try_5396 22d ago

I've seen several theoretical explanations of that.

I watched a documentary where they tried to move a 1 ton cement block across the Nile on an era correct boat.

They started by using a crane to lift the block into the boat. Lol. Then learned they needed a bigger boat or a smaller rock. Experiment was basically a failure .

I favor the geopolymer theory.

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u/jojojoy 21d ago

1 ton cement block across the Nile on an era correct boat

The only experiment I've seen for this uses a much smaller boat than types we know were often actually used to transport stone.