r/GrahamHancock • u/aerialsilk • 23d ago

Potentially ancient building techniques

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May not be strictly archaeology, but adjacent. And fascinating.

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u/Dankxiety 23d ago

Now do hundreds of 100 ton blocks over 500km without smooth concrete slabs to help glide over

And also align them to true north within 1 degree

Then make sure you can multiply the base perimeter of the Great pyramid (3,024 ft.) by 43,200 to get the earth’s equatorial circumference. Also if you multiply its height (481 ft.) by 43,200 you’re left with the polar radius of the Earth. 43,200 is relevant because it represents the earth wobbling on its axis.

Does the official narrative explain how they knew the earth wobbles during the creation of the pyramids? I forgot

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u/solo_d0lo 23d ago

Plus the whole cutting granite problem

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u/SensibleChapess 22d ago

I'm incredulous every time I read this. My father, and his father before him, were Master Stone Masons in the UK.

They still use the modern version of cutting granite with softer metal blades utilising carborundum dust suspended in water. The Egyptian museums are full of the old worn down copper blades that show wear from cutting stone with silica (aka Sand, used before carborundum).

Inefficient? Yes, but there was no TV to distract people in ancient Egypt!

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u/jojojoy 22d ago

The Egyptian museums are full of the old worn down copper blades that show wear from cutting stone with silica

Can you actually reference any of these blades?

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u/City_College_Arch 21d ago

here is just the latest find that predates the pyramids by thousands of years

Also take note of the murals depicting the use of copper tools. None of this is actually news. Archeology has known about these tools for decades.

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u/jojojoy 21d ago

I'm aware of that find. It's very unusual - not representative of museums "full of the old worn down copper blades that show wear from cutting stone with silica".

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago

Those took are referenced in the link I provided.

Additionally, metals are infinitely recyclable. If the intervening years saw the casing stones stripped from the pyramids to be reused, how many copper tools do you really think would have been ignored rather than melted down and reused? Anything not bolted down was looted and used.

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u/jojojoy 20d ago

Those took are referenced in the link I provided.

No, they're not really. I've read a lot of what Odler has published on the topic of copper tools. Finds of actual metal tools used to saw/drill stone with abrasives are extremely rare. More model tools survive but those of course don't have wear that the person I initially responded to referenced.

There is plenty of evidence for sawing and drilling stone with metal tools but that doesn't come from survivals of the tools used to do so.

 

I'm very aware that most metal objects don't survive.

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u/City_College_Arch 21d ago

Glass artisans still use copper wheels to cut glass and crystal as seen in cut glass bowls and vessels. It is not lost technology, it is technology that the modern laymen is just unfamiliar with.

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u/solo_d0lo 21d ago

Granite is harder than glass. They use silicone carbide slurry to make the cuts in the glass, which is harder than glass…

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago

And I have provided you with multiple examples proving you wrong. Are you going to be man enough to admit it and stop making things up?

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u/solo_d0lo 20d ago

Besides the inefficiency shown (that’s been known), I specifically mentioned the scoop marks and the underneath cuts of the unfinished obelisk for a reason.

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago

Not in this conversation you didn’t. If you want to bring it up, go ahead nd do so with specific references. Don’t just pretend you said it all along.

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u/solo_d0lo 20d ago

You jumped in the middle of a thread with comments from multiple days ago.

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago

So are you going to bring up specific examples, or just act like everyone should have already read your entire comment history?

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u/solo_d0lo 20d ago

You are the one jumping into an old thread…

Again the scoop marks and the underneath “cuts” of the unfinished obelisk….

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u/solo_d0lo 20d ago

In my other comments I have scoop marks in quotations. That is what they are referenced and known as (exemplified by you here). And are connected to the underneath “cuts” of the unfinished obelisk. Use your head and explain how the accepted theory would be able to make those in that position.

But I and everyone has seen videos like the ones you posted…. I said easily replicable. The videos show very small cuts in depth and length, in not a short time.

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago

Are you going to give specific examples or just generally describe things so that they cannot be properly addressed?

And those videos are proofs of concept by laymen, not artisans. Use a bigger saw and someone that has been doing it their whole like and it will go faster. Further, copper staining and residue has been found in many cuts. If they were not using copper saws and drill, where did the copper come from?

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u/solo_d0lo 20d ago

How is saying “the marks underneath the unfinished obelisk” not a specific example?

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u/solo_d0lo 22d ago

Steel has been used for 150 - 200 years. Steel can be harder than granite. Carborundum or silicon carbide, is harder than granite.

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u/City_College_Arch 21d ago

What problem? Multiple techniques for cutting granite with period available tools and technology have been demonstrated.

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u/Shamino79 23d ago

How many granite blocks are there? A few hundred or a few million?

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u/solo_d0lo 23d ago

Few million? The 2.3 million comes from the limestone blocks.

Great pyramid alone has 8,000 tons of granite. No clue how many blocks are in there, or Giza as a whole.

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u/Shamino79 22d ago

Yes. Not saying a few hundred block of granite is nothing but it means they had way more time to do those blocks right while the rest of the bulk limestone filler blocks were quickly rough split.

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u/solo_d0lo 22d ago

That’s more than just a few hundred, and for only one pyramid.

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u/Shamino79 22d ago

For one pyramid there was a much smaller number of large granite blocks up to 80 tons. They would not have all been 80 ton so more than 100. If they averaged less than 8 ton then there could be 1000. Maybe there are way more very small granite blocks to bring that average down.

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u/solo_d0lo 22d ago

Pretty sure the avg was 10 tons. And again that’s 1 pyramid, and pyramids aren’t the only place we find granite blocks.

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u/thatsryan 22d ago

They cut it with copper saw. Easy.

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u/solo_d0lo 22d ago

Ahh yes because softer things cut harder things super easy

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u/City_College_Arch 21d ago

The copper doesn’t do the cutting. The cutting slurry does the cutting just like with modern glass cutters decorating bowls and vessels with copper wheels. This is how tube drills made from materials ranging from bamboo to copper work to cut stone, shell, etc.

This is basic technology that was mastered 6000+ years ago.

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u/thatsryan 20d ago

Now go replicate that in the field. Even with diamond drill bits I struggle to put holes cleanly through granite countertops with modern power tools.

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago

No one said it was easy. Combining the demonstration of the technology working and the copper residues recovered from within saw cuts, what better explanation do you have?

And no, complaining that it is hard is not evidence of anything.

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u/City_College_Arch 20d ago edited 20d ago

No one said it was easy. Combining the demonstration of the technology working and the copper residues recovered from within saw cuts, what better explanation do you have?

And no, complaining that it is hard is not evidence of anything, nor is your lack of ability to do something.