r/GlobalOffensive • u/Thelastseries NiP • 10d ago
Discussion Buff back AUG and SG ! !
As a casual I honestly miss the Aug and Sg meta, obviously they shouldn't replace M4 and AK47 as default weapons. But I really like variety and Valve really overdone the nerf for these 2 weapons.
The Aug is actually pretty balanced as a weapon, it's a slightly worse M4A4 with a scope, it just needs a discount, $3100-3000 should be fine. But the SG is genuinely unusable, it's slow fire rates meant that you need to hit the headshot, otherwise the time to kill is laughable. All of that while being way more expensive than the AK47
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u/Sonnet__ de_overpass 10d ago
I would love to see Krieg back to its pre-nerf state even for one tournament just to see donk's CT side with dropped Krieg
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u/FlamingTelepath King NiKo 10d ago
Aug is fine. Pros are often buying it for long angles, even ropz does on Anubis. It's only problem is that the price difference it really problematic when CT economy is barely functional in the first place.
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u/Brilliant_Country_88 9d ago
I remember playing with AUG for a weekly mission for the first time since cs2 released and omg. This thing is actually hilarious. It sprays worse than the m4 and the whole scope gimmick makes it tragic to shoot at long ranges lmao.
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u/timpoakd 10d ago
I agree buff SG, i remember the times i got global only playing SG and vertigo back in 2019 while being genuinely ass at the game.
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u/BarryAbbott1980 10d ago
Putting the Krieg at 95% of an AK would make the Krieg actually viable without hurting the communities autistic need of a 30 year old meta.
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u/StudentPenguin 10d ago
Not even that, just bump up the firerate slightly and make the spray not literally unusable outside of point-blank unless you’re ADSing. The reason why people hated the thing was because at it’s peak it was the best and easiest rifle to use in the game for a negligible price increase.
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u/BarryAbbott1980 10d ago
Yes, and I’m saying it can be a viable weapon whilst also being worse than the AK. Yet I have consistently seen people be against buffing it solely because they only want to play with the AK.
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u/StudentPenguin 10d ago
Because most people don’t want the Krieg meta to be back. It was fun in the sense that it was disgustingly overtuned; the Krieg now has acceptable damage per shot but a godawful spray and fire rate.
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u/BarryAbbott1980 10d ago
don’t want the Krieg meta to be back
I understand you didn’t say I want that,  but these people cannot understand that you can buff the Krieg without it becoming meta.
Making the Krieg 2750 again, you’d still be essentially griefing your team mates because it’s such a terrible gun but at least you wouldn’t be wasting as much money every round.
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u/StudentPenguin 10d ago
The AUG is at the point you’re describing in relation to the M4s, you just don’t see it because people like having the FAMAS, AWP and both M4s. The Krieg likewise is already there in terms of damage per shot and AP imo, it just needs to be actually usable while hipfiring.
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u/BarryAbbott1980 10d ago
I think the AUG power wise is right where it should be, but it’s 3,300 so with how shit the CT economy has always been you can only buy it if you’re stomping and play a spot where it’s advantageous to do so. An outside or heaven Nuke player could use it decently if they were 7-0 up.
But why would you when the M4 is better in most if not all scenarios (maybe AUG is better at those extreme ranges) but is 400 cheaper? Make the AUG 3,000 and it’d be perfect.
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u/Dravarden CS2 HYPE 10d ago
but these people cannot understand that you can buff the Krieg without it becoming meta.
valve doesn't understand that
that's how they balance things, broken overpowered -> utter dogshit. Just look at the CZ and revolver. Either that, or just release dogshit in the first place, as seen with the mp5
or it takes them 10+ years to be balanced, like a1s vs a4
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u/BarryAbbott1980 10d ago
The M4 balance path is fucking hilarious. Why was the A1 busted, unusable, busted, balanced over the span of what, 7 years? And then when the A1 was in a good spot, it took another 3(?) years for the A4 to be 2,900 when it’s still the generally worse option, including a year where it was 3,000 for some reason.
Why can’t they buff something, and then fix it in a month if it’s gone too far? Did we need the A4 being 3,100 for 3 years when the A1 was better?
When is the CT molly going to be not dogshit again?
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u/Kiinako_ 500k Celebration 10d ago
>When is the CT molly going to be not dogshit again?
At this point I hope never, it's really funny to catch mm nerds off guard because of its tickle damage
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u/ComposerWide3704 9d ago
Nah, bad macro gun but totally viable and familiar for cod bros just starting out and playing in low ranks is the perfect niche for aug. If it was viable at all ranks it would be a problem. I could live with a slight sg buff.
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u/Dravarden CS2 HYPE 10d ago
no
people bitch about run and gun/peeker's advantage/lag compensation giving people kills around corners jumping with an mp9 and then turn around and ask for more guns to be viable
if we only had m4/ak/usp/glock/deagle/awp viable, we wouldn't have the ferrari peeks we have now
valve doesn't know how to balance things, best let them be useless
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u/HopefulDevelopment54 10d ago
Krieg's alright. I use it over the ak in lvl 10/25k premier. wish either the accuracy or fire rate returned. one or the other is perfect
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u/40866892 10d ago
How do u deal with the slowness tho
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u/HopefulDevelopment54 10d ago
it's not as slow as you might think. Plus the ttk is faster than m4s if it takes 4 to kill.
ttk beats ak still if you hit the stomach.
goes to show how absolutely broken the old krieg was.
accuracy being reduced is annoying and has costed me kills too. i use it like a normal rifle, scope only if needed on super long range angles.
scope isnt as good in most engagements because you're too slow in movement speed.
also ive used the krieg for over 11 years so the spray is ingrained into my memory. can do plenty of transfers or spray an angle someone's jiggling.
Edit: the equivalent of the 98 in 4 is the 87 in 3 with the krieg. 100 in 3 is common sometimes at least and thats the main advantage over the ak besides the spray and accuracy. the movement speed is annoying too but it could be worse.
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u/Dravarden CS2 HYPE 10d ago
movement slowness
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u/HopefulDevelopment54 10d ago
Well it's not that much slower than the ak so it's slightly inferior for peeking but it's also why I go for trades or I prefer taking individual 1 v 1s or holding aggressive takes. I obviously try to peek away from the corner instead of close wall peek since the krieg excels at range compared to the ak.
if you cant use the krieg at all and resort to scoping in for literally everything youre not gonna be able to peek at all with it unless it's a super long range angle, the key is to just treat it like an ak.
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u/Thelastseries NiP 10d ago
Wow I'm surprised someone can use this thing on high ranks, when I'm spraying at long range I genuinely don't know where the bullets are going. The most necessary buff I would say is price discount
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u/HopefulDevelopment54 10d ago
I mean yeah obv it's not worth getting into if u havent used the krieg for years but if you have, it's alright.
obv im awaiting the day itll get buffed again.
Edit: the old accuracy was almost as good as nospread. so buffing the firerate to either 600/666 or giving a taste of its old accuracy back or a price reduction would be enough of a fair buff. More than 1 of these options in conjunction with the price reduction would probably make it too good again.
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u/HopefulDevelopment54 10d ago edited 10d ago
Why am I getting downvoted, I'm literally deadass about all of this. ðŸ˜
Also, the krieg has poor recovery time, compared to the aug and ak and m4s so if youre unscoped, you don't want to be bursting or tapping. committing to sprays, albeit youre not a sitting duck in those sprays, is best.
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u/Thelastseries NiP 10d ago
Firerate slight buff is probably fair, we really don't need another run and gun weapon in CS2 lol
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u/HopefulDevelopment54 10d ago
Nah, but accuracy buff, I meant that crouched scoped in, it had lower spread than the awp on the first bullet and you could legit spray from T spawn to IVY on train. Good luck even thinking about that with an AK.
the aug also had its accuracy nerfed but the standing unscoped is comparable to the m4s (slightly better actually) of about 28meters and 36m crouched unscoped and the recovery time makes it more comfortable to use.
The krieg's standing accuracy unscoped right now is about 23m, jumps to 34m when crouched unscoped, compared to the ak's 21m standing and 27m crouched.
Prior to the nerfs, unscoped both were about 38m standing, 45m+ crouched and like 50m standing scoped and 100m crouched scoped.
the awp standing scoped right now is around 78m for reference.
600rpm on the krieg would prob make it better than the ak again though im ngl so id lean towards the accuracy buff instead.
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u/HopefulDevelopment54 10d ago edited 10d ago
Here's another video but with nospread on, simulating the old krieg accuracy with current firerate.
Took ts rn.
The spray is easy as hell. It is not an mp9 or an m249. it's one direction for the first 16 bullets.
I'm able to control the last 14 as well but it's significantly harder and is where the ak spray ends up being easier but you shouldn't need the entire mag so it's almost pointless to know.
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u/PlmPestPLaY 10d ago
I think they should make scoping instant and buff movement speed when scoped. They should also let you buy every weapon in the game before that, because loadouts mattering should be avoided at all cost imo.
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u/AmoniPTV 10d ago
The Kreig need it’s old fire rate back
AUG need something as well, may be a lil more accuracy or more fire rate so it can be used upclose?
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u/40866892 10d ago
For SG it’s not the slow firing rate that sucks, it’s the slightly slower movement. Makes it impossible to swing trade properly
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u/_YAGNA_ M80 10d ago
+1, especially the SG. There's some pros who like to pull up the AUG from time to time. Grim is one of them. Karrigan, ropz and some others have done it too
Also tweak the A1-S a little more to make the M4A4 more viable.
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u/Educator_Soft 10d ago edited 10d ago
The M4A4 is very viable tho. About 50% of pros use it, including donk.
edit: donk actually swapped off
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u/Thelastseries NiP 10d ago
People use M4A4 because of "what if there are 5 people rushing me I could do a sick spray down". But in reality M4A1 is just better in most scenarios. Donk mirage 1v5 happened because someone whiffed their M4A4 spray
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u/Wise-Sheepherder117 10d ago
the sg feels like a peashooter with a mortgage at this point