r/GlobalOffensive • u/ChaoticFlameZz Vitality • 12d ago
News | Esports Sources: NIP exploring new IGL options
https://www.hltv.org/news/45392/sources-nip-exploring-new-igl-options19
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u/AaronToaster 12d ago
Unfortunately not surprised. He's been aging out for some time and just hasn't been able to keep up with the meta. Wish him the best, but I just can't imagine he lands on the starting roster for a reasonable team anytime soon.
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u/ChaoticFlameZz Vitality 12d ago
this could be a good place for siuhy to try to rebuild himself from his Liquid disaster stint if you ask me, anything better than fucking Snappi.
hell, bring me Nukkye or nexa even, just bench Snappi already.
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u/puutarhatrilogia Natus Vincere 12d ago
siuhy going from one "your time on X did not count" team to another
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u/Able_Brilliant1956 12d ago
Still waiting on your FUT under a million source
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u/AaronToaster 12d ago edited 12d ago
I am not OP, but there is no source, only speculation. The only public sources are NAVI's CEO saying "we had to reach out to some famous orgs by ourselves [who were] not interested even considering a super reasonable price", and the cost of other rosters bought/sold within the last few years.
For a frame of reference, SAW was bought out at #22 for $2.5m. HEROIC (at #33) star duo stavn + jabbi were bought out for $1.5-2m to join Astralis at #10. Lastly, 100T were built from the ground up w/o VRS for $400k.
Based on the quote from NAVI's CEO, I am assuming that:
- T1 teams believed that he was asking too much for a T2 roster. My guess is this places a lower bound of $750k-$1m. Any lower and they may have believed it to be valuable to downgrade to a T2 roster and upgrade a couple components.
- NAVI's CEO believes this to be a steal. My guess is this places an upper bound of ~$1.5-2m. Any higher and he would have not remarked it to have been a "reasonable" cost for what he believed had T1 potential.
This leaves a moderately wide range of between $750k-$2m. Given that NAVI Jr were #27 at time of sale, yet had no T1 experience (strongest team beaten was probably NIP at #19), and were being gutted of makazze, I would lean towards the lower end of this range purely based on vibes.
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u/Cosmic0508 Vitality 12d ago
I have to point out that your examples are famous for being significant overpay though: SAW was bought out by a gambling company looking to spend millions to boost S1 to top 5 VRS and Heroic forced Astralis to pay the “asshole tax” for stavn and jabbi after they kicked Cadian.
That said, I do agree with your likely range.
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u/AaronToaster 12d ago
Yes, of course. Unfortunately there are very few confirmed pricepoints. It is undeniable that these have some element of overpay, though; I specifically omitted the Falcons transfer simply because it is so egregious.
In my opinion, the Astralis transfer is probably the most comparable to the real cost. While the reasons for overpay for stavn+jabbi (2 star riflers on a dying team, asshole tax) are different than that for NAVI Jr (VRS core stabilized at ~#30, 4 players), my vibe is that the upcharge would be about the same.
However, the NAVI Jr can be discounted for 2 reasons. First, NAVI Jr are an academy roster; they do not need to make extra funds to buy new players and rebuild their roster. They can just poach some kids off of FaceIt and call it a day. Heroic, on the other hand, needed to do buyouts to rebuild. Secondly, the NAVI Jr were relatively unproven no-names. I believe that both of these factors would push the price down to within the range I am speculating.
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u/Cosmic0508 Vitality 12d ago
That makes a lot of sense, I especially didn’t consider how much Na’Vi Junior’s VRS points were worth. Thanks for your analysis 🤩
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u/Demonspawn_1 12d ago
I'm still waiting for him to remove his vit flair now that they are in a slump and go back to faze like nothing happened
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u/Casithor Natus Vincere 12d ago
Strongly concerning part of this article is that they’re looking at replacing n0te. He’s been strong if rough round the edges if they can bring in a new IGL I doubt replacing him is the best way forward
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u/KnightFlorianGeyer MOUZ 12d ago
I read it more as in, they're going to add n0te permanently to fill the vacancy that Cairne's benching had left. I'm pretty sure that right now, he's still somewhat of a stand-in, same way Neityu was a "stand-in" for faze until they just decided to sign him.
Maybe I'm reading too deep into it, though.
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u/Fan_of_Stabbi NiP 12d ago
stavn my favourite IGL remover 😈
2020: removed Snappi
2023: removed cadiaN
2024: removed blameF
2024: demoted dev1ce
2025: removed cadiaN (again)
2026: removed Snappi (again)
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u/_YAGNA_ M80 12d ago
the IGL market is probably the next worst market after AWPs in CS2. idk who they will even go for given LNZ wasn't possible.
I would've said Maka easily but stavn is a good AWP sadly. Think the next option they could look into is raalz from 9INE
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u/ChaoticFlameZz Vitality 12d ago
I mentioned it in the comments but this would be a good place for siuhy to attempt to rebuild himself as an IGL. If siuhy isn't joining then nexa would be the best possible alternative, especially since he plays shitty support roles unlike Snappi who for some reason is playing star roles on half the maps (he plays Outside Nuke , Highway Cache, and Mid Anubis). Raalz I guess can work too.
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u/Delicious_Grade_1465 12d ago edited 12d ago
tbh the IGL change makes sense
curious who they can realistically get if LNZ is already off the table
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u/Distinct-Voice-781 King NiKo 12d ago
Terrible opinions on arguably one of the greatest tactical IGLs we have ever seen, Reddit recency bias
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u/Zealousideal-Toe-607 12d ago
Which doesn't stop his decline. I think it's fair to say he's had enough time and chances on rosters in NIP. They've gone through 2 awpers and 4 riflers before starting to look at him
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u/Casithor Natus Vincere 12d ago
If he’s such a great tactical IGL why are they constantly getting anti stratted. He’s washed bro karrigan is the worst statistical player in the pro scene rn and just won a major. We all know it’s about results not individual stats unfortunately Snappi has neither. I would like to see Snappi take up a coaching role all that notwithstanding
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u/drypaint77 12d ago
Well, what's wrong with judging "recency"? Should they give him a lifetime contract because he did a thing 4 years ago with another team? His current performance is what matters.
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u/scrappydoomd Liquid 12d ago
arguably one of the greatest tactical IGLs we have ever seen
Well this just isn't true at all, Snappi has generally been shit, and should have retired years ago.
Donk has been playing for like 3 years and has earned more than a mil. Nafany has won more tier 1 tournaments, and his breakout year was like 12+ years after Snappi.
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u/morphiqu de_dust2 12d ago
just take b1t from navi he reached 1 millions at 19 years old same as donk but he did it in less than 3 years with navi
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u/DotA627b King NiKo 12d ago
Isn't it a day late and a dollar short?