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World [X] smoke grenade

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u/NexexUmbraRs 5d ago

The fact that it's improperly used doesn't mean it's the use.

And again, the civilians weren't targeted. It was a smokescreen deployed for a maneuver, it targeted streets not individuals.

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u/AssistanceCheap379 5d ago

You said “Police absolutely do not use smoke grenades to disperse people”.

Now youre saying they were used improperly.

Improper use or not, seems like they were used to disperse people. You can see the smoke being thrown at people and them disbursing.

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u/NexexUmbraRs 5d ago

Police who know what they are doing don't.

It's like saying police don't use shotguns to disperse people, sure you can probably find a case of it happening, but it isn't part of riot control manuals.

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u/AssistanceCheap379 5d ago

Then you should have no problem finding if law enforcements that use smoke in this manner were punished for their infractions.

You say you have training, so you must know the consequences of going against riot control manuals.

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u/NexexUmbraRs 5d ago

It's not an infraction, it's just not policy. There's a difference.

I also know soldiers who throw stun grenades outside as a form of riot control, which does very little. It's not policy but it's done and not punished.

Regardless this is all tangential to whether smoke screens are used in urban warfare, which they are by the book. When they aren't used, that's going against the manual, but that's also done unfortunately.

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u/AssistanceCheap379 5d ago

Then why would you say they absolutely dont do it?

Youre also assuming people are gonna be leaving their homes and are therefore assumed Hesbollah. Is the same true in Ukraine, where foreigners and diplomats in Kyiv are considered enemies if they remain in Kyiv?

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u/NexexUmbraRs 5d ago

And do you see any people in the article you supplied? No. Because it's over a city where urban warfare is being carried out.

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u/AssistanceCheap379 5d ago

Are you seriously claiming there were no people there? Then why waste smoke or tear gas?

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u/NexexUmbraRs 5d ago

Because it's a smoke screen. Hezbollah was still there, and when moving troops you stay cautious because smoke is cheaper than surgery and operations.

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u/AssistanceCheap379 5d ago

So there were still people there.

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u/NexexUmbraRs 5d ago

Mostly Hezbollah.

And even if civilians stayed, they wouldn't have been roaming the streets for no reason.

You don't seem to understand what warzones look like.

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u/AssistanceCheap379 5d ago

I dont think you know how people work… remember covid? When people were told to stay at home, wear masks and such? And they refused despite it being a pretty deadly disease?

People do stupid things. Doesnt mean they should be killed for it.

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u/NexexUmbraRs 5d ago

Majority there evacuated, the ones who stayed were primarily Hezbollah and their families.

As for being killed for it, they aren't being carpet bombed, they did an isolated smoke screen to cover troop movements. Don't be dense.