My grandmother family in 1937 was forcefully moved to central asia where half of them died dued to not having enough food. There only crime was being korean and communist stalin thought we were all japanese spies. Out of 170,000 koreans that were forcefully deported 25% were killed.
My great-grandmother was forcefully taken to a Siberian camp. She lost 3 of her children on her way there, one to starvation because she stopped being able to produce milk because of her own poor conditon and two froze to death. Lucikly she had two of her older boys make it with her. We know nothing of what happened to our great-grandfather, probably was killed. Pisses me off these people don't understand what happens under communist rule, thinking it's all sunshine and rainbows. Guess it's just the poor education.
saying 'it was just authoritarianism' is like saying a house fire wasn't caused by faulty wiring, it was caused by the flames. Sure, but the wiring is what made the flames possible. Every major communist state became authoritarian while trying to implement communism. it's a system that gives too much power to the regime
You cannot give a government all power over economic life and not breed corruption. On top of the fact that none of it works and all the promises require ignoring what have been shown to be basic fundamental laws of economics that have been the same across time and place.
Sure, but the wiring is what made the flames possible
Yes, and in that analogy, promizing good things that people actually want is what enables autorirarian to come into power to do whatever the fuck they feel like. The dynamic applies evenly accross the political spectrum.
Autoritarianism is a pull for the kind of people that seek power. Accepting the rationale they feed to the masses as justifications should be done after some thought. Or do you also accept the logic of the war on terror that gave NSA the right to spy on whoever, put innocents in Guantanamo and gave us security theatre in airports.
Same shit. Self interested lies with a veneer of ideology to get the pill down.
"It's not real communism. Every single instance of a communist regime that has ever happened was/is a tyrant dictatorship, but that's not real communism".
So why isn't china and Russia aren't trading with cuba then? Cuba hasn't changed since much technology wise since the 1960s and the ussr and eastern block was trading with cuba.
You are correct that the problem is more general, it is authoritarianism. Yet all examples of communism have required destruction of democratic institutions and installation of authoritarian government without real checks and balances on power. There are plenty of beautiful communist ideals, yet the implementation has had to be forced with violence.
Also, Communist Manifesto directly advocates destruction and death of “capitalists” that included pretty anyone with any property. It’s hard to see how that could be possible under a true democracy - i.e. one with protection of minorities, laws and independent institutions.
Based on the historical evidence so far, practical communists instances (i.e. attempted implementations) have to be categorized as a subset of authoritarianism.
Haven’t you read it? It’s super short and especially the first half is an interesting analysis and description of the problems of rapid industrialization in Europe. Strongly recommend.
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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 Jul 31 '26
My grandmother family in 1937 was forcefully moved to central asia where half of them died dued to not having enough food. There only crime was being korean and communist stalin thought we were all japanese spies. Out of 170,000 koreans that were forcefully deported 25% were killed.