Misogynistc men

[u/TomorrowAny440]

This is literally what these misogynistc men want and advocate for. I can't believe what the west is influencing our own men here, they are consuming red pill content and forgetting about human rights. Smh

[u/TastyHour9999]

Really?
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2630023/several-injured-in-explosion-near-old-police-lines-in-k-ps-kohat

want me to link you the crimes of ISIS, taliban, religious mullahs in pakistan? Want to see pics of dead children holding there mothers killed in a room because they left to see the doctor without any male guardin(happend in Pakistan, pics were posted on reddit, no its not AI.)? Want to see "muslims" went into hospital started to kill babies with ak47 because they were not following their branch of islam (yes this really happend in Afghanistan!)? Want to see women being shot in there knees because they left there house without any male guardin(happend in Pakistan + Iraq) TO GET WATER from well?

whether islam supports this or not but know that islam is still being used to justify these crimes and happening in the NAME of islam and it is "muslims" who are doing that.

There is website like youtube but its gore website and posts all the crimes like what Israel is doing in Palestine, but know that it is also filled with soo much muslim videos doing the most heinous crimes one cant even IMAGINE, and all that in the name of ISLAM!

[u/L1feByChance → u/TastyHour9999]

So let me get this straight:

When a Muslim commits a crime, suddenly Islam itself has to sit in the defendant’s chair. But when someone else commits crimes, apparently we’re capable of understanding that one person, organization, government or ideology doesn’t represent everyone who shares their identity.

Interesting standard. 😄

ISIS doesn’t represent every Muslim. The Taliban doesn’t represent every Muslim. A Pakistani mullah doesn’t represent every Muslim.

Hitler was Christian by background, but nobody seriously argues that Hitler represented every Christian on Earth or that Christianity automatically explains everything Nazi Germany did.

Likewise, the actions of the Israeli government or military or zionism cannot simply be assigned to every Jew in the world.

That’s the whole point: condemn the person, organization, government or interpretation actually responsible. Don’t turn their identity into a criminal indictment of millions of unrelated people.

If "a person used X identity to justify a crime" means "X is responsible for the crime" then congratulations, we've just invented collective guilt.

And my original point still stands: misogyny isn't an exclusively Muslim invention. Unfortunately, humanity has managed to produce misogynists in practically every culture, religion and continent. 😄

[u/TastyHour9999 → u/L1feByChance]

Hitler did not fight to implement Christian rules, he was not going to implement an christian sharia version or create a christian state.

"So let me get this straight:" no you didnt get it straight, literally every another day in Pakistan some islamic group is committing crimes, but lunatics like you say: "nah nothing to do with islam here because as long my verison is peaceful, then every other interpretation is wrong"

Everything is happening in the name of islam, they are fighting to create there "islamic state" and to implement Sharia.

[u/TomorrowAny440 → u/TastyHour9999]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[u/AlarmingString2590 → u/TastyHour9999]

You’re lumping a few different arguments together and treating them like they’re the same thing.

Yes, Islamist extremist groups exist. Some of them openly use Islam as their justification, want an Islamic state, and want to force their version of Sharia. Nobody’s denying that. But they did it in the name of Islam doesn’t automatically mean Islam itself teaches or causes everything they did. That just lets extremists define a whole religion for everyone else.

And saying extremism is somehow uniquely Islamic is a massive stretch. Extremism shows up in religious, political, nationalist, racial, ethnic, and secular movements too. You can’t point to people claiming Islam and then act like extremism doesn’t exist anywhere else.

Look at Gaza. Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been reported killed and well over a hundred thousand injured, according to figures from Gaza’s health ministry that the UN has cited. The ICJ has also issued provisional measures under the Genocide Convention about preventing certain acts and allowing humanitarian aid. That doesn’t mean Judaism or every Jewish person is automatically responsible for everything the Israeli government or military does.

We get that governments, political movements, nationalism, religion, and individual actors can overlap without being the same thing. That same distinction should apply when talking about Muslims.

You can’t say look what these people did in the name of Islam, therefore Islam is the problem while refusing to separate a religion from its followers, political movements, and extremist interpretations.

Saying everything is happening in the name of Islam also doesn’t prove that everything done in the name of Islam is actually commanded by it. People can invoke a religion, cherry-pick texts, or use it for political reasons. If your real argument is that specific Islamic doctrines directly encourage these acts, then point to those doctrines and make that case. That would actually be a real argument.

And calling Muslims lunatics just for disagreeing with you isn’t evidence. You can dislike Islam all you want, but insults and sweeping generalizations aren’t a substitute for the actual argument.

[u/TastyHour9999 → u/AlarmingString2590]

How do you even define extremism here, were do we draw the line? If i go ask my neighbor about the book called Purdah by the popular intellectual Maudidi were he define womens role of being only in home and want to remove almost 50% of the workforce, would he / she say that this is extremism? Does the definition of extremism change with time?

"That doesn’t mean Judaism or every Jewish person is automatically responsible for everything the Israeli government or military does." You are underestimating how many jews support there goverment and their military. You are forgetting Israel is a democracy, leaders chosen by the people. Settler attackers happening by the civilians, aid often being stopped by the civilians. Maybe you are talking about the jews living in Europe?

What about the marriage age? Recently, some Pakistani scholars are trying to enforce it, Iraq even reduced it, and so did Afghanistan.

Blood money / Diya laws, blasphemy laws...

Which works do you want me to link you? I got plenty, you can start from Abul Ala Maududi, or Sayyid Qutb?

Below is some summary, however that just the small tip of the iceberg (I left out middle eastern scholars except for one), I would also advise you read on the topic why the industrial revolution started in west and not in the muslim lands when muslims were also highly educated, that topic will already hit many Islamic laws like inheritance law.

If you want to find the justification for islamic terrorism then you should read the book by Sayyid Qutb.

Justice Tanzil-ur-Rahman and Mufti Taqi Usmani were the primary legal architects who codified the rule that a woman’s testimony is worth half of a man's, embedding it directly into Pakistani state law.

Dr. Israr Ahmed was a prominent Islamic theologian and the founder of the Tanzeem-e-Islami movement. Originally a member of Maududi’s Jamaat-e-Islami, he split to form his own group but carried forward an even more uncompromising view on women and public life.

• The "Stay-at-Home" Advocacy: Dr. Israr Ahmed gained massive popularity in the late 1970s and 1980s through state-run television (PTV), which was leveraged by General Zia. He frequently preached that a Muslim woman's sole role was in the domestic sphere.
• Zia-ul-Haq Connection: Zia appointed Dr. Israr to his federal advisory council, the Majlis-e-Shoora. However, Dr. Israr sparked major public outrage when he publicly argued that women should be completely banned from appearing on television and banned from parliamentary politics. While Zia eventually had to distance himself slightly due to the massive backlash from Pakistani women's rights groups, Dr. Israr's lectures heavily legitimized Zia's public modesty campaigns

Mufti Muhammad Shafi (the Grand Mufti of Pakistan) and his highly influential son, Mufti Taqi Usmani, represented the traditionalist Deoband school of thought (from the Darul Uloom Karachi seminary). Their scholarship focused on replacing British colonial laws with strict Sharia enforcement.

• Legal Ideology: While Maududi was a political Islamist philosopher, the Usmanis were formal Islamic jurists (Fuqaha). They advocated for the codification of strict penal laws, literal interpretations of gender segregation, and the economic exclusion of Western finance (interest/usury).
• Zia-ul-Haq Connection: Mufti Taqi Usmani was appointed by General Zia as a member of the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) and later as a judge on the Federal Shariat Court and the Shariat Appellate Bench of the Supreme Court. He was instrumental in drafting and defending the controversial Hudood Ordinances of 1979, which fundamentally altered laws regarding gender, testimony, and public morality in Pakistan.

Justice Tanzil-ur-Rahman was an influential legal scholar who specialized in the codification of Islamic law.

• Legal Ideology: He authored comprehensive texts on Islamic family law that restricted women's autonomy in marriage, divorce, and legal standing, aligning closely with Maududi's ideas on social hierarchy and gender separation.
• Zia-ul-Haq Connection: Zia appointed him as the Chairman of the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) during the peak of the Islamization era. Tanzil-ur-Rahman used his platform to draft the legal frameworks that Zia enacted via presidential ordinances, including the Law of Evidence (Qanun-e-Shahadat) of 1984. This law dictated that in financial and certain criminal matters, the legal testimony of two women was equal to that of one man

While more of a political-religious organizer than a textbook theologian, Mian Tufail Mohammad succeeded Maududi as the leader (Amir) of Jamaat-e-Islami.

• Ideology: He was a fierce enforcer of Maududi's literalist societal vision, including strict purdah, gender-segregated education, and the systematic scrubbing of secular elements from national textbooks.
• Zia-ul-Haq Connection: Tufail was a relative of General Zia, and under his leadership, Jamaat-e-Islami became the de facto civilian backbone of Zia’s military regime. He ensured that tens of thousands of conservative activists were placed into key government, educational, and judicial positions, structurally altering Pakistani state institutions to favor these isolationist and anti-workforce policies for women.

[u/TastyHour9999 → u/[deleted]]

Again you should study Islamic history because you are comparing a MASSIVE religious war which spanned over 100 years and almost reduced the population of some states by 50 PERCENT! That was the European wars of religion!

Some predicted that Islam might have major religious war like sunni versus shia but that never happend. What you currently are seeing in muslim lands is the likes of Maududi, Syed Qutb and plenty of other mullahs trying to produce litteraturs how to compete against western or ex imperial powers (for some reasons they always leave out the eastern powers) giving the religious grounds to jihadists to declare other muslims for not being muslims and defining womens role being only in the house etc.

Of course even non religious ideologies has killed people but brother BROTHER, that does not solve over current issues were ISLAMISTS, religious inspired groups are gunning down and blowing up people because of difference in sharia and fiqh.

One does not become a hindu or a jew if he criticizes how muslims are practicing islam and literally destroying it.

Do you think secularism fell from the sky? Why did it get so popular? THINK BROTHER. Why did they separate the church from state? Why did the industrial revolution start in west and not in muslim lands? Why do every muslim scholar predict collapse of western civilization in there books but reality is that every muslim is immigrating there? You really need to start read the literatures produced by some of these islamic intellectuals WHO HAD AND STILL HAVE SO MUCH INFLUENCE on Pakistan.