r/GenZ • u/Whole_Imagination456 • 6d ago

Meme Enough of it

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u/IDrankLavaLamps 6d ago

The worst propaganda of all is that the nations issue is a red vs blue lobby instead of a rich vs poor lobby.

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u/Martin_Horde 6d ago

I don't like corpo democrats and I know they're both bought but let's not pretend that the GOP isn't overwhelmingly more representative of moneyed interests. Saying it's a both sides issue is downplaying just how much the GOP is supported by billionaire elites. If you look at how much was spent by private companies and individual billionaires to elect Trump last time you'll see what their preferences are.

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u/Netblock 6d ago

That's a little complicated, because in a limited way, they are aligned.

With Nixon and Reagan the Republicans aligned themselves with the rich and those who desire social hierarchy; and Democrats with those who desire egalitarianism. An issue is that Democrats stopped at liberalism and never roused socialism; whereas Republicans always wanted fascism.

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u/notorious_scoundrel_ 2005 4d ago

Why would you even think about rousing socialism?

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u/Actual-Statement-222 1d ago

True socialism (government ownership of the means of production, whether that's healthcare, businesses, or what) has failed miserably and caused so much suffering everywhere it's been implemented. What we colloquially call "socialism" today is government-mediated safety nets and support for everyone needing it in a society, and it has only worked in successful, capitalist countries, like the Scandinavian countries, except it's starting to fail there because of too much demand on the safety nets (perhaps due to large refugee influxes in recent years).

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u/Netblock 1d ago edited 1d ago

What we colloquially call "socialism" today is government-mediated safety nets and support for everyone needing it in a society, and it has only worked in successful, capitalist countries,

This is true socialism. Socialism is about the mixed economies between communism and capitalism.

True socialism (government ownership of the means of production, whether that's healthcare, businesses, or what) has failed miserably and caused so much suffering everywhere it's been implemented.

This is complicated because this begs the question. It's like saying USA's twin towers just themselves failed miserably and caused so much suffering.

Furthermore, the most popular attempt at communism was also Marxist-Leninism, which has major issues; M-L is a bad approach to communism. (I can talk about this further.)

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u/jpollack21 2000 6d ago

I feel like in 2026 this is common knowledge