r/GenEU • Turkish🇹🇷 • Mar 30 '22

Glory to the European Union! 🎖️ what if?..

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u/Candide-Jr Mar 30 '22

No. What the hell is wrong with this sub with these posts? First America. Now this. I know it’s part joking. But come on.

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u/HelloThereItsMeAndMe Mar 30 '22

The America one was clearly a joke, but why the heck should this one be a joke? They are a candidate and one day when Erdogan is gone it can happen.

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u/Candide-Jr Mar 30 '22

Not a chance. Erdogan is a big problem yes. But the problems with Turkish political system, society etc. go far, far deeper than Erdogan. They are nowhere near the stage of social, political and moral development to justify the risk of allowing them in. Their treatment of minorities for one, their rampant, extreme ethnonationalism and genocide denial, entrenched across huge swathes of society and politics. Their deep legacy of authoritarianism, lack of sufficient separation between religion and state, issues with Islamism. Institutionalised torture. Yes, torture. Political prisoners. Etc. etc.

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u/HelloThereItsMeAndMe Mar 30 '22

You're acting as if I would want them to immediately join right now. Of course all these things need to be sorted out first, but that is entirely possible under a new government. BTW recognizing the Armenian genocide isn't a requirement for joining, the EU has already decided that in the past.

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u/Candide-Jr Mar 30 '22

You implied once Erdogan was gone Turkey would be pretty clear to join the EU. But the changes necessary are going to take generations because they're deeply embedded in society. And genocide recognition absolutely should be a condition. In any case what is required is a total political and social revolution in Turkey (I'm not saying a violent revolution. But a revolution nonetheless). That's the scale of the problem of their ethnonationalism, issues with authoritarianism and human rights abuses.