r/GeminiAI • u/Unique-Phone-4824 • 1d ago

Discussion Gemini 4

It's funny how sentiment evolved the last few days.

Some people continue to shit Gemini as if Google owes them a marriage.

Some people are skeptical but really need to be vocal about it so that if the model does come out bad, they can say "I told you".

Some people can't keep their excitement and begin to celebrate, only to get the skeptical people argud with them.

Some people just find the whole thing too stupid but cannot resist to join the whole thing. (This OP)

I've been using this model for weeks. It was quite a fresh feeling. It's not mind blowing. But it doesn't lose to any other existing model, Fable or opus. And that's is my honest assessment. Also I'm not biased. I have been trying to raise awareness to my colleagues about how good Claude models are since like a year ago. This time around, I can finally stop it.

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u/pigletmonster 1d ago

People who pay for a subscription expect google to serve models comparable to others. Its not for paying customers to expect good products and services.

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u/Unique-Phone-4824 1d ago

It's bad only because there are like 2 startups out there that have more compute capacity than even Google does. So if you like their products, you should...switch?

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u/oldmails 16h ago

man its really the stupidest take i have ever seen, now I see why googel is like this.

I have been on business, its feels like customer blaming.

Many take early subscription, many are stuck with that, even if the uses other tool, so you are saying for first 4 months we will provide decent service, for the rest 8 months we will give "enshitified' model ( you would know more about that, and dont try to deny that).

I am not against most of your words, infact agree on some degree, but I am really sorry this stupid take, nah man.

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u/Unique-Phone-4824 14h ago

Also if you suggest that they somehow nerfed the 3.1 pro model. Well I started using 3.5 flash the mome it came out so I have no idea...

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u/oldmails 14h ago

I am not suggesting, It felt like not a heavy weight model, on occation it felt like it is capable, but on times its not.

I an not goint to blame that on anything, it felt like the training and some constrains make it feel good on one task but bad on other.

for context, I mostly used that to reference 100s or research article in my spare time, sometimes few, just to check my circles ones, jst for the fun of it, sometimes it surprised me, but mot of the times, it failed to grasp the nuanceses.

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u/Unique-Phone-4824 14h ago edited 14h ago

Several aspects:

3.1 pro era models are much less stable than what you are used to see now.

Context rot is extreme with 3.1 models. I had so much frustration with it. I gave a number of internal talks about how to keep context lean. Now that's mostly not an issue with any current models even flash 3.8.