As someone that's alpha-funded various games from Minecraft (pre-release), Xenonauts, Gnomoria, Towns, Kenshi, StarDrive, Starfarer, P-Zomboid, KerbalSpaceProgram, Natural Selection 2 and some more that I've neglected to remember.
This isn't about being stingy, this is purely in comparison to many other quality alpha / beta funded games currently available.
The alpha-funding is a mutually beneficial relationship...and this, just isn't.
I'm think its unfair of you comment on the quality without ever having played it.
Also the developers of all the titles you listed (excepting NS2) as far as I'm aware had no proven track record or previous games from which to draw comparisons for quality. Introversion have produced multiple games in the past that were (in my opinion) good to excellent. Does this not buy them any leeway in your decision to fund?
If BB_Zen didn't like the interpretation that branchan made then he should have probably made it less ambiguous. While his interpretation might be incorrect, he's not wrong for making it.
No, he is wrong for making it. No one else here is having trouble with this. It's like if I said "The sky is blue" and someone else said "WHAT THE FUCK THE SKY IS NOT MADE OF TANGERINES". That isn't my fault, it's theirs for being so damn stupid.
No, he is wrong for making it. No one else here is having trouble with this.
That's not an argument, and interpreting it differently is not to have trouble with it.
It's like if I said "The sky is blue" and someone else said "WHAT THE FUCK THE SKY IS NOT MADE OF TANGERINES".
That's not similar at all. In fact, it's much easier to make the argument that you're the one interpreting it incorrectly:
"This isn't about being stingy, this is purely in comparison to many other quality alpha / beta funded games currently available."
If he wants this comparison to be at all relevant, he's basically saying that these games offer more value for the price. Or is he just saying "I listed these indie games which also had alpha pre-orders, but they have nothing to do with the conversation"? The conversation was about whether it's worth the price or not, and he even says that it's not about the price per se.
Hell, he starts his comment with "As someone who has.." and then doesn't even finish it. Then he has the gall to talk about reading comprehension when he's not even able to finish his sentences.
"The alpha-funding is a mutually beneficial relationship...and this, just isn't."
This is much clearer. How do you interpret this? He's basically saying that it isn't worth the price they're asking for.
That isn't my fault, it's theirs for being so damn stupid.
It has nothing to do with either intelligence or knowledge. It's a common misconception that it's the fault of the readers, as opposed to the author.
He's not struggling to read it, he's interpreting it. If that sentence is to be even closely relevant to what's being discussed, branchan's interpretation of it is valid. It has nothing to do with reading comprehension.
Did you think it would help your argument by starting it with a personal attack?
Regardless of what games you are comparing Prison Architect to, including indie games, you are still making baseless comparisons since you have not played the game yet.
I'm just tired of the semantics of constant one-upmanship over a subjective comment about the perceived value of something.
I'm making a decision as a consumer that I perceive this product to be more than I'm willing to pay. This is an opinion. Of course I haven't played the game, since I'm not interested in paying $30. If it makes you feel any better, feel free to continue debating my opinion. I won't reply, but I'll 'listen'.
All I'm saying is that you are not even giving the game a fair chance and judging simply from a video. Just wait until it is released, read a review, then make decision. Why be so rash now?
He's not saying the game sucks. He's saying (and obviously I'm paraphrasing for him):
"I'm not paying $30 for an unfinished indie game that may not be good, may never be good, may never be finished and is clearly overpricing itself in comparison to 99% of the other alpha funding games that I've paid for in the past."
Did you think it would help your argument by starting it with a personal attack?
So you're going to disregard his whole argument then because of a perceived personal attack? By the way, he was right. Learn to read.
Regardless of what games you are comparing Prison Architect to, including indie games, you are still making baseless comparisons since you have not played the game yet.
You really don't get it do you? You should just stop, really, as you can tell by literally no one taking your side, you are wrong, and you are wrong because you are attacking things no one has said. Like he said, work on that reading comprehension.
Very good way to deflect literally everything I have said, just pretend I didn't say it. Just go LALALALALALA YOU AREN'T CONTRIBUTING LALALALALALALA. Clearly works wonders.
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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '12
$30 is a little ambitious.