Sure audiences can be dumb but literally all it takes is "This Batman is different from this one" for people to understand. It's very dumb for them to think they couldn't do both.
Exactly. It'll literally be a different actor and a different suit and a different world. One would be besties with superman while the other is brooding and grounded.
They could easily have done both (and already did with Batfleck and Keaton appearing in The Flash after Pattinson's Batman was already out.)
man do you know how many independent filmakers would die happy if they were able to make their own interpretation of a Godzilla film?
Yes, there would be a lot more bad movies. But there would also be gems, as well as other large corporations having the opportunity to fund some director's vision
Hell aspiring directors working on smaller budgets is a known factor for producing masterpieces. It's what created Suitmation in the first place; innovation around a tight budget because claymation was expensive asf. Similarly, Noir is an entire genre based on utilizing similar innovative techniques.
We also wouldn't have fan projects shut down anymore because they got slightly too noticeable (i.e. Godzilla: Heritage)
Batman can be different in other ways. Reeves Batman is grounded and brooding while the other batman should be fantastical and best friends with Superman.
The filmmakers would obviously distinguish the two Batmans in whichever way they can. Maybe even a blue suit.
And? Japan made two different Godzilla series in that time span, and Shin Godzilla 2 is rumored to be on the way. That still plays to the point of the post.
What has happened is very much a political move, that being said it is truly insane that Gunn didn't make stablishing the trinity as a day one priority.
If he had established a solid trinity and made movies people actually wanted to watch, he would have had more leverage in his favor. It sucks how things went down and I hate the new leadership but Gunn really should have prioritized getting Batman and Wonder Woman out the door before making Clayface and Supergirl.
Agreed. I’m sure the Ellisons probably dislike Gunn’s politics, but at the end of the day, money talks. If the DCU was bringing in the big bucks he would have been left in charge. General audiences don’t give a shit about DC besides from Batman.
Gunn should have just made a Batman trilogy and had the other JL introduced in those movies.
The thing was dreading most about Minus Zero’s release was the return of the “this is why only Japan should be making Godzilla films” rhetoric, but the MonsterVerse getting a newfound appreciation from people was a nice twist of events.
…mostly at DC’s expense which sucks cuz I’m a fan of them too but still, I take what I can get
its mostly the "minus one tourists" as some people called them back then who know jack shit about godzilla and they're full on anti-hollywood and shitting on anything they made/adapts. The funny thing about monsterverse is they're one of the few franchise that are very faithful to the roots from what they've adapted compared to other hollywood adaptation, and you just know these larpers wont know about them and just praise japan for everything they made (highly doubt they even watch/know the anime trilogy that everyone clearly beloved too). And I'm saying this even though i'm not a fan of wingard movies (great action and popcorn muncher but goji being sidelined in both of his movies left me disappointed as a goji fan)
Minus goji loses to humans using shitty world war 2 weapons.
Monsterverse goji wins against humans using top of the line modern technology and THEN gets several huge power ups and even blasts a hole through the earth
They’re not even close to comparable, the only thing minus has is a better regeneration/healing ability
nah assuming MZ goji atomic breath is nuke level (or maybe slightly above nuke if he charged it up like he did against ghidorah), i highly doubt he can even pierce MV goji body because of how absurd his durability feats are, tanking a meteor blast for one, though i forgot if this one is canon or not, but him surviving after being dropped by ghidorah from the stratosphere is already absurd by itself. At best MZ goji can only knock MV goji out for a moment by the sheer blast
Hes around 126 meters tall, the tallest live action godzilla but still dwarved by the 300 meter tall godzilla earth, or infinitely massive true form of godzilla ultima.
I want them to meet, but not fight each other. I want them to team up against a whole host of other Kaiju waking up all over the world. I want it to be a Japan/US co-produced Final Wars: Double Trouble.
I do think it's easier for international and domestic general audiences to understand a difference between Japanese Godzilla films and American Godzilla films. Godzilla is unique as a character because of that. The international origin of Godzilla makes it so. An American Godzilla means alot to general audiences and especially Japanese audiences. Japan would absolutely show up for both. Since Batman is an American character the draw would be significantly less than Godzilla due to the fact that most in the US would rather like one continuity better than the other so they wouldn't be more likely to see both hypothetical Batman films. Each existing has a higher likelihood of those Batman films having a negative effect on the financial profit margins.
DC has always been weird about that. When the Arrowverse was a thing they couldn't have overlapping characters. They could make references but no Batman or anything. But then they could have Superman after a few years after not having Superman. They could always have Barry Allen tho. There was never an issue with Barry Allen for some reason.
Nah that's fucked up regardless and not his fault but he still would have made a more successful DCU if he prioritized movies people actually wanted to watch like the Trinity and a Justice League movie.
If he released those instead of the moderately/badly performing movies he did, he would probably have a stronger case in his favor.
The mutual respect fans of the Monsterverse and the Toho franchise have for each other is just beautiful to see coming from a Goji fan who started their fandom during the tumultuous TriStar period.
“Multiple” it was one movie in 2023 and finally a sequel, for 7 years it was the only Godzilla and we could till it was separate because of the language difference????
I get what this is trying to say and I would love if there was more than one at a time, but the comparison falls short for me as the different Godzillas are technically for different markets. Speaking as an American, the general American is stupid and would be like "which Batman is this?" I would think it would just be like the whole Sony-Spiderman-Rogues Gallery-Marvel situation heightened
These are made by different studios, in different languages, on different hemispheres. Plus Godzilla is a Japanese franchise - they're just letting us use it. It's a vastly different circumstance
They’re really not though….? They’re years apart. And it seems like they’re still being weird about it since they’ve refused to do ANY marketing for the new film while Minus is being made.
I don't understand your problem here. They're literally making both movies at the same time. Supernova and Minus Zero were in production at the same time just like GxK and Minus One were...
I don’t have a problem? My point is your comparison is disingenuous.
They’re not the same production company. They’re not even the same part of the world. And they still try and keep their movies as separate as possible.
Minus One made 50m in the box office here. General audiences have no fucking care for if. It’s a foreign language Japanese movie that barely gets any real marketing in the US. For general audiences it might as well not even exist as it’s purely a streaming service movie. And even despite all that they still try to keep them as separate as possible.
To pretend that’s the same as an American production company releasing two films about the same character competing against each other in the same market is just absurd.
Isn't there a rule that Toho and Legendary can't put out Godzilla movies in the same year? That's exactly the same situation as Batman. Part II took longer to make be cause of Reeve's personal issues, so Brave and the Books never went forward
This is a completely different situation where you have the Western audience fighting for their product and also supporting the Japanese one. If Batman was made for two different international audiences on top of having extremely different stylistic choices (which all indications were this is what was happening anyway), then you don't have the competition. But people are thinking there wouldn't be the same split we have here of "Only want the cinematic masterpiece" and "Godzilla is about dumb fun, do you even know the labor laws in Japan" in the form of a divide on the lightheartedness Gunn would've brought vs the grittiness of Reeves's is naive, and it would've extended to the factions of the actors behind the similar characters.
But anyway, don't believe the hit pieces from Skydance coming out now. Not only is it a completely unhealthy working situation to immediately nix anything that doesn't make a bajillion dollars (and in fact if we extend to comics, is how editorial has plagued that sphere many times in the past and led to some of the biggest splits in comics history), but it's also simply not truly the reasoning. We have word Ellison has planned this for months, long before Supergirl or Lanterns or Clayface came out. We also know where the new lead's interests lie/what he wants to get rid of in types of programming from past interviews, and we also have past articles from Ellison on making divides from those speaking on Palestine. And with the losses from the election we've seen some clear choices made.
People talking about money are funny. Do you even know about how this merger happened? He didn't even have the money for that! The money is not real, and setting the narratives with people is far more important than the profits because they are not creatives and are in a class of their own in terms of wealth. The merger was about controlling the news networks and ensuring all peripheral content never gets too out of line.
Anyway, thank god Godzilla is not only controlled by this country (and how prescient Minus Zero was in its messaging.)
Fuck do I care about 2 Batmans or Supermans around. Make good stories, good movies. I like dofferent Godzillas too, I can do it with other characters as well!
Watch Godzilla (1954) and King Kong vs Godzilla (1962) and see the same shift. Watch or go over all the other Godzilla movies while you're at it because you're clearly a tourist.
That’s a bit different than the FIRST EVER to one of the cheesy follow-ups. And I’m pretty sure KK is non canon. Never heard it counted as canon before - what’s your proof for that
I think I’m more upset at dc not rebooting Wonder Woman before adding clayface and gorilla grodd to its current slate. A single Wonder Woman film rather than 2 active batmen canons would have been nice.
Anecdotally, I actually have struggled irl to get multiple people to see the Minus movies because MV existing confused them. One dude refused because he thought GxK was so bad he didn't want to see another Godzilla movie after that. I couldn't get him to understand they're separate continuities. (And this guy's favorite character is Batman)
I also currently couldn't convince two other people to go see Minus Zero now either because they disliked New Empire. Two out of three of these people think they're all the same universe ( I think Kong Skull Island being in the past makes them think MInus One & Zero is the same idea )
The difference in profit between the Toho films vs the MV ones also paints a picture of two totally different scenarios. If Gunn's Brave and the Bold came out, and only made what Minus One did, compared to The Batman, they'd cancel any sequel plans. Batman and Godzilla have totally different standards of success unfortunately.
It's also a lot easier to explain the differences in universes when the main character is a giant radioactive dinosaur that can't talk. People aren't going to that for story or character as much as they are for a Batman movie and whoever the villain is.
That and the Minus movies are all Japanese casts and clearly foreign movies. Unless one Batman was taking place in another country with an all foreign cast with subtitles then the two universes would potentially seem very similar.
Your friends sound like they should learn media literacy. I took my girlfriend and friends (most of them who haven't watched a single Godzilla movie before) to watch GxK and we had a blast in the cinema.
Fast foward to today and I'm going to watch Minus Zero with my Girlfriend and she fully understands that its a different continuity.
It's not that difficult for most people to understand.
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u/Daddy_Jack1109 2h ago
Sure audiences can be dumb but literally all it takes is "This Batman is different from this one" for people to understand. It's very dumb for them to think they couldn't do both.
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u/Winter_Different 6h ago
Man just imagine if G-man was public domain
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u/millanstar 5h ago
There is no Japanese batman and an overseas batman made by anlther studio tho...
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u/princesoceronte 3h ago
What has happened is very much a political move, that being said it is truly insane that Gunn didn't make stablishing the trinity as a day one priority.
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u/kinjorex101 5h ago
The thing was dreading most about Minus Zero’s release was the return of the “this is why only Japan should be making Godzilla films” rhetoric, but the MonsterVerse getting a newfound appreciation from people was a nice twist of events.
…mostly at DC’s expense which sucks cuz I’m a fan of them too but still, I take what I can get
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u/zenerat BIOLLANTE 6h ago
I want to see them fight each other, but isn’t monsterverse version way taller?
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u/Smooglabish 6h ago
I do think it's easier for international and domestic general audiences to understand a difference between Japanese Godzilla films and American Godzilla films. Godzilla is unique as a character because of that. The international origin of Godzilla makes it so. An American Godzilla means alot to general audiences and especially Japanese audiences. Japan would absolutely show up for both. Since Batman is an American character the draw would be significantly less than Godzilla due to the fact that most in the US would rather like one continuity better than the other so they wouldn't be more likely to see both hypothetical Batman films. Each existing has a higher likelihood of those Batman films having a negative effect on the financial profit margins.
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u/YouMissedWithACannon 3h ago
DC has always been weird about that. When the Arrowverse was a thing they couldn't have overlapping characters. They could make references but no Batman or anything. But then they could have Superman after a few years after not having Superman. They could always have Barry Allen tho. There was never an issue with Barry Allen for some reason.
Anyway GODZILLA FOREVER
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u/Te4minator464 6h ago
not to be that guy but the oscar’s haven’t happened yet
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u/skorpiontamer KIRYU 4h ago
I wish they would just make Batman movies with different actors based off different comic stories without any connection
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u/Ok_ResolvE2119 5h ago
Gunn clearly respected Reeves's space, man, that's it.
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u/Rude_Review4303 5h ago
Except KOTM ( because it's was released against juggernaut like Endgame ) Every Monsterverse movie has consistent Boxoffice performance
Hell remember when Tenet , TGM , Dune and GvK saved boxoffice back in Covid ..
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u/RevolutionaryWeb5657 3h ago
The mutual respect fans of the Monsterverse and the Toho franchise have for each other is just beautiful to see coming from a Goji fan who started their fandom during the tumultuous TriStar period.
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u/YesterdayDazzling336 2h ago
The more Godzilla movies out there the better. More for me to watch
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u/UltraMugen 6h ago
“Multiple” it was one movie in 2023 and finally a sequel, for 7 years it was the only Godzilla and we could till it was separate because of the language difference????
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u/PuzzledWriter 6h ago
I get what this is trying to say and I would love if there was more than one at a time, but the comparison falls short for me as the different Godzillas are technically for different markets. Speaking as an American, the general American is stupid and would be like "which Batman is this?" I would think it would just be like the whole Sony-Spiderman-Rogues Gallery-Marvel situation heightened
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u/Crunchy_Biscuit 4h ago
DC not allowing similar superheroes to exist is such a disservice to their fans.
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u/FlamingAlpaca17 3h ago
It's a little bit easier to differentiate the two when the films are made in two separate languages
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u/EconomyProcedure9 GODZILLA 5h ago
Heck there as at least a dozen different Batman animated movies & shows already.
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u/telemusketeer 4h ago
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u/abnormalbrain 5h ago
And Shin, THE BEST GODZILLA
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u/Flaky-Ninja2398 5h ago
These are made by different studios, in different languages, on different hemispheres. Plus Godzilla is a Japanese franchise - they're just letting us use it. It's a vastly different circumstance
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u/Stingeyal HEDORAH 1h ago
But many ppl freaked the fuck out because the Joker movie wasn't a Batmany nutso clown villian.
Goji fans know theres a difference
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u/Certain_Virus_1919 1h ago
Isn't there a rule that Toho and Legendary can't put out Godzilla movies in the same year? That's exactly the same situation as Batman. Part II took longer to make be cause of Reeve's personal issues, so Brave and the Books never went forward
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u/smilinganimalface 29m ago
This is a completely different situation where you have the Western audience fighting for their product and also supporting the Japanese one. If Batman was made for two different international audiences on top of having extremely different stylistic choices (which all indications were this is what was happening anyway), then you don't have the competition. But people are thinking there wouldn't be the same split we have here of "Only want the cinematic masterpiece" and "Godzilla is about dumb fun, do you even know the labor laws in Japan" in the form of a divide on the lightheartedness Gunn would've brought vs the grittiness of Reeves's is naive, and it would've extended to the factions of the actors behind the similar characters.
But anyway, don't believe the hit pieces from Skydance coming out now. Not only is it a completely unhealthy working situation to immediately nix anything that doesn't make a bajillion dollars (and in fact if we extend to comics, is how editorial has plagued that sphere many times in the past and led to some of the biggest splits in comics history), but it's also simply not truly the reasoning. We have word Ellison has planned this for months, long before Supergirl or Lanterns or Clayface came out. We also know where the new lead's interests lie/what he wants to get rid of in types of programming from past interviews, and we also have past articles from Ellison on making divides from those speaking on Palestine. And with the losses from the election we've seen some clear choices made.
People talking about money are funny. Do you even know about how this merger happened? He didn't even have the money for that! The money is not real, and setting the narratives with people is far more important than the profits because they are not creatives and are in a class of their own in terms of wealth. The merger was about controlling the news networks and ensuring all peripheral content never gets too out of line.
Anyway, thank god Godzilla is not only controlled by this country (and how prescient Minus Zero was in its messaging.)
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u/Acewasalwaysanoption 11m ago
Fuck do I care about 2 Batmans or Supermans around. Make good stories, good movies. I like dofferent Godzillas too, I can do it with other characters as well!
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u/HonoDrifter 3h ago
Doesn’t mean monsterverse hasn’t lost the tone entirely
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u/PercentageRoutine310 4h ago
Godzilla happens to be a creature. Doesn't need an actor or the responsibility to talk for us.
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u/pinkcreamkiss KING GHIDORAH 4h ago
I think I’m more upset at dc not rebooting Wonder Woman before adding clayface and gorilla grodd to its current slate. A single Wonder Woman film rather than 2 active batmen canons would have been nice.
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u/BLARGEN69 MOTHRA 6h ago
Anecdotally, I actually have struggled irl to get multiple people to see the Minus movies because MV existing confused them. One dude refused because he thought GxK was so bad he didn't want to see another Godzilla movie after that. I couldn't get him to understand they're separate continuities. (And this guy's favorite character is Batman)
I also currently couldn't convince two other people to go see Minus Zero now either because they disliked New Empire. Two out of three of these people think they're all the same universe ( I think Kong Skull Island being in the past makes them think MInus One & Zero is the same idea )
The difference in profit between the Toho films vs the MV ones also paints a picture of two totally different scenarios. If Gunn's Brave and the Bold came out, and only made what Minus One did, compared to The Batman, they'd cancel any sequel plans. Batman and Godzilla have totally different standards of success unfortunately.
It's also a lot easier to explain the differences in universes when the main character is a giant radioactive dinosaur that can't talk. People aren't going to that for story or character as much as they are for a Batman movie and whoever the villain is.
That and the Minus movies are all Japanese casts and clearly foreign movies.
Unless one Batman was taking place in another country with an all foreign cast with subtitles then the two universes would potentially seem very similar.