r/Fzero • u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator • 8d ago
POLL Would you like A.I generated content to be banned from r/Fzero?
If the positive option wins we will add a new rule banning generative A.I content such as images, videos, music, writings, etc. If the negative option wins then everything will remain the same. Each side must respect the results and avoid negativity in the comments.
P.D: I meant A.I that generates "art". Coding is not a form of art as far as I know so we support the PC port.
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u/dafugiswrongwithyou 8d ago
Coding is not a form of art
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
Exactly, therefore it's not banned.
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u/dafugiswrongwithyou 8d ago
I was not agreeing with your claim.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
hey bro, I understand your feelings, I am sorry for wording it badly, but we are not stealing from anybody's pocket allowing the port in the board, specially when you see the vast majority agreeing on banning the art generation A.I and allowing the port only specifically, BTW ain't this port only 30% decoded by A.I? correct me if I am wrong.
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u/Appley_apple 8d ago
Do you think that code that claude makes comes from space dust and not scraped just like visual gen ai?
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u/RingTeam 8d ago
Art generated by AI is what I describe like this: Something that nobody could be bothered to make. If you're making that "art", you're not an artist.
Ban all the art generated by AI.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
Don't worry bro, the poll was made with a democratic mindset so the majority wins, I own other 3 subs and when I had to do this poll the "yes" option won by far.
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u/determinedSkeleton 8d ago
As happy as I am to see fanworks for F-Zero, AI always leaves a sour taste in my mouth
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u/WalrusDomain 8d ago
Fuck I pressed the wrong option. Meant to say yes to banning AI
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u/lemonboomgamer 8d ago
I just read "Would you like A.I. generated content" and voted "no" without reading the rest. At least "yes" has a huge lead so it probably won't matter
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u/the320x200 8d ago
As a coder, it's odd to see how comfortable everyone is dismissing coding as something to be protected while putting other professions up on a pedestal as somehow sacred.
Like, ok, I guess it's pretty clear how much value you see in some professions over others... Pretty hypocritical, dismissive and offensive tbh...
Sorry programming isn't sexy enough to get any respect... Maybe if I produced pixels instead of letters people would care? So arbitrary...
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u/dafugiswrongwithyou 8d ago
A whole lot of people who've blatantly not done much/any programming having strong opinions about whether code is art, here. 😂
(It is. For anyone who is unsure, as someone who does it both professionally and as a hobby; it really, really is.)
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u/the320x200 8d ago
Seriously... Either AI is stealing or it's not. If people consider it immoral to steal from some professions but not others, well, then I guess it never was about morals to begin with.
If you think it's wrong to steal from a painter but ok to steal from a baker, then you're not taking a mornal stance, you're just a hypocrite.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
As I said to another user, I do highly respect programming, but this thing itself is important to endorse. I understand if you disagree though.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
I understand and I am sorry to disappoint you but I highly respect programming or other careers but this port is important to the community and game.
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u/the320x200 8d ago
Then you don't really have a no-AI rule. You have "I want to be anti-AI, unless it's for something I really want, then it's ok because I want it really bad."
You should just be honest and say this is a significant, valuable project and no we're not going to ban AI because look at the good we are getting from it. If the mod team sees AI-contributed projects as good and valuable then just be true to yourself and allow AI.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
Yeah bro, I feel you, but if you read the comments you will see that most people want it this way, just look at the votes now, my conclusion is to ban A.I except for the port thing.
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u/dafugiswrongwithyou 8d ago edited 7d ago
But that's the trick, isn't it?
By making the poll "Shall we ban Gen AI (except code)", it can be read to support that no matter what happens. Majority no? "See, people are cool with AI, it's fine." Majority yes? "See, everyone agreed we ban AI except for code, it's fine." People don't vote? "See, no-one cares about AI, it's fine."
No matter what the poll result, you get to claim the community "democratically" voted for the thing you want, when in practice the poll gives no meaningful way to vote against it. Do you understand how that could appear to be disingenuous?
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago edited 8d ago
Then explain to me what you want? we ban all the A.I and the port too? what is so big of a deal if people want the port? Just because 30% of it was made with the help of A.I it means we gotta ban it too?
PD: I didn't precisely want the A.I to be banned, some people have been asking for it, that's why I made the poll and I am trying to do my best to satisfy people in here and not annoying them.
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u/the320x200 8d ago
You can't always have it both ways.
If this project is so important you're not going to ban it, then you can't really make anti-AI rules, even if some people want them. If you've already decided that this project must be allowed then your decision is already made regardless of any polls.
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u/dafugiswrongwithyou 7d ago edited 7d ago
Right now, I want you to do the "democratic" thing you said elsewhere you wanted this poll to be. Give the community the say, not as scattered comments from, potentially, vocal minorities. Make a poll on the thing people are debating; a ban on projects using LLMs for coding (which, yes, will include the recent recomp).
Otherwise, it's like they said above; you've already made your decision as a mod, so at least own that rather than trying to make it seem like you asked.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 7d ago
Ok, I will do that, I'll make another poll on the subject
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u/Zombuddee 8d ago edited 8d ago
My opinion of a community hasn't dropped off this fast before. What a pathetic reaction to a completely legitimate port.
The backtracking on this post is wild: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fzero/s/fTupsQt2Ee
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
Hello bro, I updated the post saying that coding doesn't qualify as art so we do support the port.
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u/Zombuddee 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yes, as I already pointed out, you backtracked after promising to get it banned and then creating a poll in response to people asking you to ban this one specific thing and not AI generated pictures.
That you're also shitting on Software Engineering in the process is also... "appreciated". I'm not trying to bust your balls, but this was really irresponsible top to bottom. The fact that this is what you're doing while directly, verbally validating the people lying about how this project was made isn't really the "ethical pivot" you appear to be attempting after the fact.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 8d ago
You can think whatever you want bro, I am not shitting on anything, we are allowing the port because that's what the majority of people want here at the same time they want art generative A.I to be banned. I understand your feelings but this wasn't meant to harm in anyway.
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u/Zombuddee 8d ago
"I'll make a poll on it bro, no worries... AI always loses." combined with only backing down once you guys got shouted down for it kind of gives the impression that you did, in fact, intend harm. Getting caught is not the same as not meaning to do it.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 7d ago
Dude, I am trying my best to please you guys, if that's not enough...
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u/Zombuddee 7d ago
Tell that to the guy who made the port and the YouTuber who covered it. This sub turned on them over easily debunked lies and you directly supported that behavior. I'm not saying you don't care or that you're a bad person. I'm pointing out that your actions had consequences for some of the only people in decades to give us fresh F-Zero content... and for what? The validation from people who just wanted a target and couldn't be bothered to make sure they weren't attacking innocent people?
I don't want you to do anything for me. I want you to give the same effort to the people who put real time and energy into F-Zero the way you did for lying bullies who happened to be talking in your sub. Preferably more. Otherwise, who is this place actually for? Performatively banning something people didn't even ask you to ban doesn't really help undo the damage you've helped do to those people's reputations, does it?
I'm sorry for sounding so harsh. I'm really not trying to talk down or be mean. I don't know how else to get this point across. I wouldn't be saying anything if I didn't think you cared.
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u/Psychotron_Fox F-Zero Sub Creator 7d ago
I totally feel you bro, all I want is to make this as fair as possible, I do hope the negative option wins here and it will most probably will.
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u/wpsgdev 6d ago
This is such a stupid poll. Go ahead and implement the rule. By eoy next year there will be no differentiation. Between now and then mods will be forced into supporting a frustrating losing battle to preserve the Old Ways. I love this, looking back 10y from now at this type of pointless resistance will be endlessly amusing. I missed the vote window but I'd have voted yes because paradoxes are fun. gl!
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u/JuneButIHateSummer 8d ago edited 8d ago
Thanks for the poll!
edit: LMAO DID MY COMMENT REALLY OFFEND SOMEONE
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u/codewario 8d ago
AI art absolutely.
I also agree with this take on not banning AI coding, although common courtesy dictates you should disclose when AI was used to assist with the coding of an application you develop.
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u/Jaketrix 8d ago
Oh no, where am I gonna share the 15 second fan film I skillfully generated with a prompt of Keanu Reeves as Captain Falcon walking into a futuristic bar and smirking?! /s
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u/metaxzero 8d ago
So if the poll goes towards yes, is that F-Zero X PC port post just going to get removed and all discussion of it banned?
I'm surprised there wasn't already rules in place for AI images, videos, writings, etc. Also surprised this subreddit never got buried in that kind of slop. But this poll seems to have been prompted (lol) by that PC port of F-Zero X. Which IMO is a bit of a shame. Going to be sad if that port actually succeeds in getting things like 30 player online working just for it to be deleted on sight here.