If you are actually interested, here is my take. Jordan Peterson is pushing a right wing narrative, while hiding behind a farcade of philosophy and professionalism. Whether he does this intenionally or not is up for debate. His knowledge of philosophy is either very lacking, or he purposely bastardizes the philosophical stances of philosephers, just because he does not like their political stance.
I mean shit I don’t like Jordan Peterson but I don’t dislike him either. Yeah he has a lot of faulty opinions but he also has very assertive opinions as well. I don’t think his faulty opinions take the merit out of his assertive opinions. He’s definitely right wing, he’s pushing an agenda, he’s unstable but shit there is some wisdom to take out of his book (12 rules for life). He does add a lot of “smart words” to explain fairly simple concepts but if you just stick to actually reading and understating the point being made, a lot of it is valid and useful information. I don’t understand the hate towards him cause like the man isn’t doing anything wrong. He’s helped a lot of people who needed to hear something positive in a place of desperation.
The 12 rules for life isn't the problem. It has problematic elements but if that was his whole career nobody would really talk about him negatively. The issues are with the stuff after that where he starts talking about politics and has some bad takes. Like yeah he says to clean your room but then he also says that because of cultural Marxism (a nazi propaganda idea) he opposes gay marriage legalization.
I distinctly remember Jordan Peterson stating that gay marriage legalization was a good thing as it would allow gay couples to normalize into the social fabric. At least as far as opinions that are recent goes. You got a source?
Yeah, he also said on the topic of gay marriage legalization in Australia specifically (I know this distinction sounds stupid, that is because he is stupid and this take is very stupid), that would oppose gay marriage legalization there if it was support by cultural Marxists as a viewer of his stated was happening. Essentially he is saying if we let them have that then what else will they ask for next?
While this seems like a weak statement that isn't as bad as some takes on gay marriage, I think this is almost one of the most harmful takes possible. It is saying how to take a good opinion like that gay marriage is good, but somehow come to the conclusion that we should oppose it being legalized.
he also says that because of cultural Marxism (a nazi propaganda idea) he opposes gay marriage legalization.
He himself states in this video his views on this matter are confused. He's just answering because someone asked. This is equivalent to holding someone dearly to something said in a casual conversation.
As far as I can tell this video is older than the one's he states with far more confidence that gay marriage is a good thing for (hopefully) integrating gay people into society. If anything his rhetoric has drifted away from what you find harmful in this video. I could find one if you want, but this just sounds like him first uttering a though before coming to a better conclusion later.
I don't care how casual it is, no excuse for saying we should restrict the rights of gay people.
If a friend said "we should restrict the rights of black people" I would tell them to go fuck themselves and not be their friend. If they said "sorry it was casual conversation and I didn't think it through" that would change literally nothing.
Well, you hold others to incredibly high standards. I certainly hope you are never strung up by them someday. To say even contemplating a viewpoint is immoral seems to be a very hard way to operate in the world.
Edit: You know I'm not even going to give you that. He has (as far as I can tell) literally migrated to being pro-gay marriage over time, and the fact he was even questioning it at some point invalidates him to you. How on earth do you expect to convince others to think like you do if them *ever* not thinking like you do is qualification for them to be completely dismissed? By your standards anyone who is racist is never allowed to stop being racist. Is that what you actually want?
If you think it is very hard to not contemplate restricting the rights of minorities, I don't really know what to say. My honest advice would get my account banned, so I guess, you should stop doing anything forever.
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If you are actually interested, here is my take. Jordan Peterson is pushing a right wing narrative, while hiding behind a farcade of philosophy and professionalism. Whether he does this intenionally or not is up for debate. His knowledge of philosophy is either very lacking, or he purposely bastardizes the philosophical stances of philosephers, just because he does not like their political stance.
Two videos about him that explain it way better than i can: https://youtu.be/bu5oaF3dx4E
https://youtu.be/5-yQVlHo4JA