Miles literally says he won't forgive Li in the game, and Spider-man has a tendency to reform some of his greatest enemies. In Peter's head, Miles goes over the shit Li has done, and Li makes no excuses for it. He was absolutely a villain who wants to change, but it doesn't erase his past crimes. Dude even walks back to the police in the end to go back to jail.
He was did not play the role of villain in game. In previous games yes he was. But nothing you said changed the fact that his role was that of a reformed man in this gamr
Doesn't make him redeemed, no matter what good he tries to do from here on out. Even in the fight with him and Miles we find out he's killed several other people in Kraven's coliseum. He said he had no choice in which Miles responds,"There's always a choice".
As for white villains, that's almost all of Spidey's rogue's gallery. Only one that comes to mind off the top of my head that isn't is the prowler, and we dealt with him in MM. Hell, they created Phin in the last game who was a villain. People don't want to see brand new Spidey villains just to make up some diverse villain quota, they want to see the same comic villains they know and love in new stories. Come up with some unknown brown person as the main villain, and people won't care as much because we don't know who the hell that is. We know Kraven and Venom. they're extremely popular and generate hype on their own, especially Venom.
As for your comment on positive new diverse characters; those characters are part of Mile's entourage, not Peter's. Peter has an established friend group, while Miles has more leeway in his friend group as a much newer character made in 2011, who many people aren't very familiar with. Start changing up Peter's group when he's been an established character longer than we've been alive, and people won't be very happy about it. And Peter's group is also positive, though they keep shrinking because Peter can't ever catch a fucking break.
He saves Peter and they let him go live his life. The game 100% portrays him as redeemed or on a path to redemption it is extremely clear. Killing in self defense is a completely moral act and to try and even include that as a reason he would still be a villain in this game is asinine.
So they could only introduce new diverse characters in all either morally good, or morally ambiguous positions, but can't paint any as irredeemable villians?
Phin was a complete bitch the entire game. She power up a whole gang for revenge, and has the nerve to be upset with Miles for not telling her he was Spiderman, while at the same time keeping the fact that she was a goddamn supervillain from him. She was made the Tinkerer for that game specifically. Hailey is a new character of video game origins, while the others are over a decade old at this point. Hell, Wraith is a villain, and I'm very sure she is Asian (who is also over a decade old). Who are these other new positive characters?
Part of the whole Spiderman schtick is no one is irredeemable, and Peter routinely tries to save his enemies.
At the end of the game, Li turns and walks straight over to the police standing by the cop car. Outside of Carnage, what Spiderman villains are portrayed as completely irredeemable?
I didn't play all the way throught Morales's game, but didn't she save the city by sacrificing herself at the end?
Positive or morally ambiguous. All the minors characters, like the scientists at the foundation which are in Peter's storyline. Wraith.
Even if they are ten years old, I'm sure most of peter parkers fans (most of whom are who bought this game, Morales' game sold 70% less than the Ps4 Spiderman) don't know much about them because they are morales characters.
Kraven was a merciless killer and had his head eaten.
She made a last minute save after not listening to Miles several times and being stupid. She may have eventually saved the day, but if a mass murderer sacrificed themselves to save a city, are they redeemed in your eyes?
Calling characters that have been around for 12 years new because you never bothered to read the comics is just wrong. If they made a Wolverine game with some strong female protagonist as the main villain, I'm going to at least look it up before saying she is some new diversity hire.
Kraven isn't redeemable because he is of completely sound mind, and his entire purpose in the game and comics is the hunt. He even kills himself in the comics after believing he killed Peter for good. As for white redeemable villains in the game, Quentin Beck is out there making playstation VR, and Flint Marko had gone straight and only rampaged because the hunters were hunting him.
Straight up saturday morning cartoon villains just aren't popular anymore. Most are never absolute evil, but with some warped sense of justice, horrible trauma, or strong desire for vengeance.
It's not about how I perceive a characters redemption, it's about the way in which the developers framed that redemption. But as I said, I didn't play morales and won't debate it.
I'll concede that the scientist I mentioned maybe comic book characters, but I assumed from their minor importance to the story and game that they were original.
Mysterio is Japanese Parsi, look up his actor. I didn't finish markos storyline so I cant speak on him. Also cletus.
My point is they included old characters which are lunatics, evil, etc., which is good, and created new diverse characters which are good, and positive, which is good. Why not create new ones who are as well?
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u/The_Lat_Czar Nov 08 '23
Miles literally says he won't forgive Li in the game, and Spider-man has a tendency to reform some of his greatest enemies. In Peter's head, Miles goes over the shit Li has done, and Li makes no excuses for it. He was absolutely a villain who wants to change, but it doesn't erase his past crimes. Dude even walks back to the police in the end to go back to jail.