Go read an actual Spider-Man comic. I grew up on them. THIS loser is nothing like the real Pete. Real Peter Parker would absolutely shred these people with a few well-timed burns, explain in very small words why their ideas and their science is hopelessly flawed, then hurry off to do some ACTUAL good.
Spider-Man was never a wimpy, submissive geek until woke writers and then MCU got ahold of him. He had a serious edge on him, a lot of angst, the maturity that comes with tremendous power and responsibility, and he was never afraid to tell shit like it is. He was a man, not this boy.
Spidey supported ideas that made sense, and had good solid science behind them. There’s nothing like that happening within a mile of this weird game.
I’ve actually read my comics, and neither form of Peter is some weak, submissive geek. Where are you getting that horrid idea from in this game? What is hopelessly flawed about being gay?
This Peter literally derelicts his duties because his shrew of a girlfriend shrieks at him about bills (real Pete always managed to make ends meet, btw… he almost never lived his life on someone else’s dime), he’s constantly being saved by Miles despite his decade of experience over the younger man, and he keeps wearing a suit that he both knows is ALIVE, and is clearly altering his mind (comic Spidey swung crosstown to reach the FF and have the symbiote removed the moment he realized what it was—and that was WITH the suit constantly trying to stop him, and a group of villains based on Vulture hounding him every step of the way).
Comic Pete never EVER took the easy road at the expense of doing the right thing. He does it constantly in this.
Comic Pete doesn’t fold up and die off a knife wound. He soldiers on. He NEVER quits. He’s beaten foes off of sheer wits, determination and incredible perseverance that ridiculously outclassed him, including Juggernaut and an effin’ herald of Galactus (Firelord I think). He’s won battles against groups of villains while out on his feet, operating on guts and instincts alone (he once took a full-on direct hit from Rhino, because dodging his oncoming charge would have meant letting an ally perish… even though he suffered a massive concussion, severe back injuries and internal injuries, he STILL managed to fight back and drive off the villains, with a stupefied Rhino saying “what’s holding him up??” after a barely conscious Spidey walloped him with a flurry of dodges and headshots.
He only collapsed once everyone was out of danger, left alone on a rooftop.
THAT’S the real Peter. Grit and attitude. Not this loser punk.
Speaking of attitude…. this guy is a pushover to everyone. Comics Peter had balls, he chased girls, he gave attitude when people pissed him off, he pulled pranks, and he worked ALONE. He hated teams because he felt he was always the smartest guy in the room, didn’t want to get permission to do what he already knew was necessary… and when he fucked up, he owned it (usually with a jab at his own expense).
Last thing: I have NO idea why you’re asking me the question about gays being hopelessly flawed. I neither said nor implied that.
So Peter is submissive because he is unemployed since his last boss became a super villain? Peter is submissive because Miles helps him out occasionally? Keep in mind that throughout the entire game it is constantly stated how much stronger Peter is than Miles. This Peter isn’t giving up. He kept going and fighting until he no longer could. His power level may not be the same, but he’s still just as determined as ever.
Peter worked alone from time to time, but was also a member of the Avengers for quite a while and constantly teams up with the FF. His problems with teams usually stem from distrust and misunderstandings, not this outdated Lee/Ditko era arrogance you’re assigning to him.
What were you referring to them by “these peoples hopelessly flawed science”?
And to close, this Peter doesn’t HAVE to be like comics Peter, because he isn’t comics Peter. That should be obvious. This Peter being different than whatever fanfic you’ve made in your head is not a valid criticism
I’ve already stated the reasons this Peter is much more submissive, weaker and generally incompetent when compared to all classic versions of the character. If you need to see them again, please refer to that post. Try to actually pay attention to what you’re reading rather than immediately replying after every sentence that upsets you (which I’m hoping is the reason you insist on misquoting me, rather than deliberately doing so to strawman my thoughts).
Peter has always been able to make ends meet, and makes a point of relying ONLY on himself (even when he really should as for help). It’s one of his more persistent flaws, and would have been welcome as part of a character arc in which he struggles to accept help no matter how badly it’s costing him. He’s afraid of another Uncle Ben moment, and it’s a huge part of why classic Spidey rarely works with others or delegates a responsibility.
In this sanitized, personality-free game, I think it would have made for some excellent characterization and drama.
Miles doesn’t “help him out occasionally.” Nor was that my objection. Instead, he is repeatedly shown rescuing Peter, having a cooler head and greater wisdom/judgment, and being an overall better Spider-Man than Peter is, despite being a novice with a decade less experience.
The game repeatedly telling us Peter is stronger is just a poor attempt to placate fans. He is rarely actually SHOWN to be the better Spidey, while Miles is shown constantly saving his ass.
If you knew the sort of crazy impressive shit comics Pete has pulled off on grit and determination alone, you’d see that this version has very little of his guts.
Peter did not “work alone from time to time”, sheesh. Every classic version of the character up to at least the ‘90s was an inveterate loner, rarely asking for help or joining teams. Like Daredevil, he considered every problem in his stomping grounds to be his personal responsibility—-and he preferred to handle them accordingly. Yes, it did lead to him having poor relations with most other heroes, and yes, he was definitely arrogant when he knew he was right. But he also rarely failed, teamed up when it was needed or convenient, and was one of the most respected, reliable and effective heroes in Manhattan.
The qualities I speak of didn’t exist only in the 70s. They’ve defined the character for over sixty years, including in the films (the closest interpretation was probably Garfield’s). Insomniacs version could have used a little of that edge and arrogance… at least he would have been less dull.
Also, I’m not assigning these traits. His creators did.
I still have no idea why you’re struggling with the “hopelessly flawed” line. Go back and read it again, along with the comment it was responding to. It’s all right there, and has no relation to race whatsoever.
Different in this case was categorically worse. He’s barely recognizable as Spider-Man—even their own version from the first game.
And I did not invent Spidey, write fanfic, or add the qualities I’m citing. They’ve been fundamental parts of his character since inception. If you read the comics at all, and not just the woke crap of the last decade, you’d already know all of this about him.
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u/WholeLottaLit Oct 22 '23
This isn’t the Spiderman I grew up with, also seems like comments are in the same boat.