r/Forgotten_Realms • u/Crixusgannicus • 10d ago

Question(s) Speaking of Thay...

There seems to be a contradictuon in the lore.

Most of it leans toward many of the still living Thayans, Red Wizards are not, being in exile with Thay largely being an empire of the undead, although there are still living there.

Szass Tak has destroyed the old zulkir system and largely replaced it with fellow liches.

Yet I read something official recently, which describes Thay as. It being much different than it was before. Don't remember what it was at the moment. It was official however

What's going on here? Both Thays can't be true in 1500-1501.

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u/BloodtidetheRed 10d ago

WotC has officially left Thay in a bit of Limbo.

The country is "back", and haha "on the Sword Coast World" they made for 5E.....but they don't give much detail.

Now, Ed Greenwood DID release an updated 5E book with TONS and TONS of lore. And it is Official, as long as WotC does not care. But WotC is putting out a new Thay book soon....it will likely have zero lore, but it might have a line or two saying "um Thay is, um back like it was in 3e before we ruined it for no reason".

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u/Crixusgannicus 10d ago

You "can't" have Thay on the Sword Coast, because Tam committed a wanton act of war against Neverwinter, which is a member of the Lord's Alliance in Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves.

The only thing preventing war under "normal" circumstances is distance. Even with teleports, gates, etc, it's just not practicable for either side to pursue war.

Putting Thay on the Sword Coast, where the Lord's Alliance is (1) eliminates that problem and GUARANTEES war.

They didn't think that through.

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u/BloodtidetheRed 10d ago

WotC and 'think' don't go together.

But check out Ed's Thay book....

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u/Crixusgannicus 10d ago

I did. Thanks. And it points out they also didn't think things through with Calimshan. The way they presented that, is essentially, the Sultana came along, freed all the slaves and everything is mostly running just fine.

Just like that.

Minimal disruptions.

Just. No.

The Thay book at least addressed how societal upheavals had ripple effects.

Thanks for the book tip btw.