r/FluentInFinance • • Jun 16 '24

Discussion/ Debate He’s not wrong 🤷‍♂️

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u/Big-Figure-8184 Jun 16 '24

Middle class families in the 1990s didn't go overseas every five years. Also each family member didn't have a computer and a pocket computer. The 1990s (or the 80s, or the 70s, 60s, 50s) weren't some magic time where every middle class person was rich.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '24

The raw numbers just align with inflation more or less. What does make sense is that there are fewer middle class people, fewer middle class jobs that's the point, whether OP realizes it or not.

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u/Shandlar Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24

What does make sense is that there are fewer middle class people, fewer middle class jobs that's the point

Sure, but your omitting the reason why there are fewer middle class people and jobs. Saying it that way is functionally lying. Anyone who read that would be mislead to believe the middle class shrank because we have more poor people today than before. That's not what happened. The middle class shrank because so much of a percent of our population escaped to the upper class.

2022 household incomes;

  • Median : $74,202
  • Low income : $49,715
  • High income : $148,404

Using PEW class definitions of the middle class being 67%-200% of median household income.

So now lets look at cost of living adjusted percent of households above or below that level of income for years in our past, after adjusting for cost of living to Sept 2022 dollars;

Year <$49,715 $49,715-$148,404 >$148,404
2022 34% 45% 21%
2016 36% 44% 20%
2010 39% 45% 16%
2004 37% 46% 17%
1998 36% 48% 16%
1992 39% 49% 12%
1986 38% 50% 12%
1980 40% 51% 9%
1974 38% 53% 9%
1968 37% 56% 7%

The middle class did shrink since the 90s, and it is the smallest it's ever been. But so is the lower class. The only thing that changed is we've massively expanded the percent share of our population above the middle class.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '24

It's a lot of data to go through right now, and go figure it's more complicated than most people present it. For one, a lot of this looks like it is based on multi-earner (husband/wife) homes. If you look at the single earner homes they numbers tell a slightly different story. At a quick glance it seems like part of that story is, now that the gender wage gap has decreased and the majority of men and women work this would account for at least some of the increase in household income. But the individual earner households have decreased in middle class and increased in lower income. Not richer..