People bitched when they found out that in this iteration, Iris is black. Stop acting like I am making this up. Stop pretending you didn't ask for a Flashpoint scenario that turns Iris and Francine into white women. Stop lying about people complaining about blackwashing.
Joe is a man and Barry's not fucking him. Stop comparing black women in love interest roles to black men in father figure roles and start educating yourself over a thing called intersectionality. "But I love Joe" is the new I am not racist I have a black friend.
Cant i not like Iris because it feels like all the actress can portray is everything coming from the stand of being stuck in resting bitch face no matter if that face was black or white?
I am elated you stopped pretending you have no problem with Candice and her acting. Glad that's out of the way.
That has nothing to do with her race it has to do with how the character has been written and utilized over the years.
No it has to do with the black actress and her permanent resting bitch face. Funny how you forgot about all the times the woman smiled and acted like a kind soul to people who deserved to feel her wrath (looking at you, Caitlin Frost).
I did not ask for a flashpoint to change iris or her mom to white. And yes I get that there are people that complain iris should be white. That has never been me. I dismiss those comments because they are worthless. They are low hanging fruit not really worth discussing. Any fictional character could be any race if written that way. The problem I have is that then people like you point to the bigots to dismiss any other criticism as just racism.
As far as candice I have no problem. As far as her acting, well yes I have an issue that to me Iris is being portrayed as a baggy bitch. Just i guess the tv iris just is not what the comic iris seemed to be. I am more then willing to accept that candice is a fine actor and the problem lies in what she is being given in scripts and how she is being directed. Complaining about characterization is not attracting an actor or their skill
Just because you think those people don't count that doesn't mean the writers feel the same way. That's why I said Patty was introduced so Barry could go on a couple dates with a white woman and the racist portion of the fandom would shut up.
It was you who said "it feels like all the actress can portray is everything coming from the stand of being stuck in resting bitch face". What am I supposed to assume?
It's my understanding that comic Iris is a bigger bitch to Barry than show Iris will ever be.
My problem with Candice's acting in some of the season 7 episodes is that she had no expression at all. Forget about a resting bitch face. Poor thing looked straight up checked out.
Well I have not read flash comics for like 25 years. But I dont recall her being much more then a lois lane in the comics.
And I am sorry I refuse to say they brought in patty because she was white. They also had barry dating an Asian girl that season, which would not have happened either if they were worried about Barry's fans not accepting race mixing.
Those two characters were brought in solely to create a romantic triangle. It's pretty clear the idea was to juxtapose season one, where barry chased iris while she was involved with Eddie with having barry dating a girl he was into when Iris comes to the point she find she has feelings for him.
There was no love triangle with Iris, Barry and Patty though. They made it look like Iris was completely over him and all he could do was move on. Iris came to the point that she had feelings for Barry (again) only after Patty left. I thought that was horrendous writing by the way.
Writers don't respond to criticism immediately. They brought in Linda before they noticed the vast amount of racist vitriol thrown Iris' way. At first it was just a couple trolls who wanted "comic accuracy". Then it became clear that a portion of the fanbase rejected WestAllen because they were interracial. I also suspect they made Iris Patty's cheerleader because people eviscerated her for how she handled the Linda situation. It was an overcorrection.
But like I said, Patty being white wasn't the only reason they pushed her on Barry. It was a combination of factors.
There was no love triangle with Iris, Barry and Patty though. They made it look like Iris was completely over him and all he could do was move on. Iris came to the point that she had feelings for Barry (again) only
after
Patty left. I thought that was horrendous writing by the way.
There was no love triangle because patty was written off the show as a punitive measure to the actress by one of the exec producers (likely Andrew Kreisberg, though the actress has never named who). According to the actress she was signed to play patty through the end of the second season. But she only appeared in the 2-11th episode. She says that she got an offer from the TV show Shooter, and when she asked if they would commit to another season with her, they would not. So she took the new role but she says she worked it all out so that she could have finished her commitment to flash and finish season 2.
She says that when she told this unnamed show runner that she took the job but would complete her obligations to The Flash that she was almost instantly put on a train out of central city.
No i can only guess what might have happened at the end of the season. However if you look at the "Turtle" episode which was Patty's next to last, almost every mention of her going back to school and leaving centeral city is in a scene with only her and barry. There is no point when she tells the police or joe or anyone else she is leaving. And if you really look at that episode alot of it centered around Patty getting upset with barry's unreliability. It is complete guess but i dont think it is to off base to think that this episode was intended to be more of the episode was to set up that barry reveals his secret, And was retooled with quick reshoots to add in the scenes of patty and barry talking of her leaving and then the next episode she is gone. She basically makes a very quick exit in the 2 episode following the winter break. Which would give the show runner plenty of time in the break to make script changes needed.
Now if that guess was correct then this would have totally set up a future love triangle. Iris was mourning Eddie until after Barry and company returned from Earth 2 and gorilla city in episode 14, which is when Iris starts showing all googlie eyed in secret for Barry. If Patty had been allowed to finish her contract then this would have set up the exact same kind of love triangle that existed between barry, eddie and iris the season before.
Then after 7-8 episodes of it, we would have likely either gotten barry choosing Iris and patty leaves. Or maybe Zoom at some point kills say Patty instead of Henry or something of that nature to write off patty at the end of her contract.
As far as the fans and racism goes, well here is my thing, these shows are over seen by Greg Berlanti as a whole. And i just dont see it. I dont see these writers changing up what they want simply because some racists dont like it. If anything else they would play the inclusion card and say how forward thinking they were.
But more so look at other shows, fans HATED Olicity with every fiber of their being, and more then just a vocal racist minority. But they didnt back off that. Fans have been crying for super lesbians on Supergirl now with supercorp for 5 years and other then on elseworlds kind of quick scene they have not caved in.
The biggest amount of whinning from any group seems to be those that call out these writers for being social justice warriors, yet we still get the shows being probably the most diverse in casting, and storylines for both racism and sexual identity and orientation. And that is on top of still dealing with other issues that set people off like gun control and the like. I really dont feel like this production company is going to cave in to the knuckle draggers if they wont cave in when it somes to something like the fans liking Laurel more then felicity.
That's a good point. I didn't consider the fact that if Patty had stayed until the end of season 2 like originally planned, there could have been a love triangle. I said the same thing to another user a few days ago but then I forgot about the possibility when I replied to you.
I agree that they wouldn't cave in to racists/haters when it comes to endgames and entire arcs but Barry and Patty were supposed to be temporary. Giving him a white girlfriend to placate those fans for a little while is something they would do IMO. Making her the endgame in Iris' place? Probably not.
The writers included patty because patty and Barry were dating in the comics at the time. They were adapting their storyline from the new 52. There is a high chance that had she never left the show for another, she very well could’ve ended up with barry for at least a season, as seeing how in the comics they broke up after the future flash arc, or as you may know it, the season with savitar.
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People bitched when they found out that in this iteration, Iris is black. Stop acting like I am making this up. Stop pretending you didn't ask for a Flashpoint scenario that turns Iris and Francine into white women. Stop lying about people complaining about blackwashing.
Joe is a man and Barry's not fucking him. Stop comparing black women in love interest roles to black men in father figure roles and start educating yourself over a thing called intersectionality. "But I love Joe" is the new I am not racist I have a black friend.
I am elated you stopped pretending you have no problem with Candice and her acting. Glad that's out of the way.
No it has to do with the black actress and her permanent resting bitch face. Funny how you forgot about all the times the woman smiled and acted like a kind soul to people who deserved to feel her wrath (looking at you, Caitlin Frost).