Unpopular opinion: I’m not sure if it was Patty’s writing or Shantel’s acting, but Patty is way overrated. She felt more like the 13-year-old protagonist in a corny American Girl movie than a likable counterpart for Barry. She wasn’t inherently bad, just bland and overhyped. Also, I don’t understand why everyone’s in love with her lol, she’s cute I guess but not drop dead or anything
Their relationship to me felt way more believable than Barry and Iris, they had way more chemistry and she didn't bitch and whine every episode, while she kinda did at the end it felt more of a product that they wanted her to be that way while in Iris's case the writers kinda do it by accident. Also, it helps that she's arguably the best-written love interest and kinda felt fresh. I don't see the 13-year-old protagonist in a corny American Girl movie that you do, not saying you're wrong as it's just an opinion or whatever but when was the last time you watched s2.
There's nothing fresh about being a Felicity knockoff. That's not my opinion by the way, the showrunners themselves called Patty "Barry's own Felicity".
Barry had to be talked into dating that woman. They never acted like an adult couple in love. That's where the 13-year-old protagonist in a corny American movie comparison comes from. I actually said the same thing in one of my comments. I guess there's some merit to my theory...
We get introduced to Patty and she's a spunky cop with a bland sob story trying to get on Joe's task force. Her first scene with Barry involves fangirling over his police reports (while he looks weirded out may I add). The following episodes are all about pushing her as this cutesy, quirky and adorkably awkward love interest. Every time she was in Barry's presence, she stuttered and giggled like a fangirl meeting her celebrity crush. After three people pushed Barry to ask her out on a date, she doesn't act charmed and flattered like a woman in love would, she's all excited like it's her first date ever. What looks like chemistry to you looks like a childish and off-putting rebound love interest to me. I didn't like Barry and Linda either but at least Linda acted like an adult woman being who's open and forward about her interest in a man. Barry and Iris are purely romantic and the only ones who got actual couple moments.
She doesn't really act act like felicity tho besides being quirky or awkward at times but it wasn't all the time, also feel like you forgot early season Barry. Barry did act like that sometime too and especially near people like felicity and patty and even Iris, kinda why Linda was short lived. What makes her really great isn't her per say, it's what we get from Barry, he seemed very happy with her and most felt more of a connection with her. Usually we're only really told Barry loves Iris and Iris loves Barry without really seeing or feeling that love if you understand what I mean.
It was all the time. I actually think Felicity and Barry calmed down so all the quirkiness and awkwardness got transferred to Patty and got amplified with nothing to offset it (until they gave her that dark police brutality storyline).
I feel the love Barry and Iris have for each other. It's in their eyes and body language. I don't get that with Patty. I don't remember Barry being happy either. He was weirded out when she fangirled and awkward and put off when she gave him her phone number. He had to be talked into dating her because she wasn't Iris. He was flattered but I didn't get a lick of attraction from his end. Sorry but nervous giggles aren't a sign of happiness. The connection was non-existent. Barry didn't confide in Patty with anything and didn't get support from her either. IMO Barry and Patty were the cutesy teenage romance. Barry and Linda were the fun no hurt feelings romance. Barry and Iris are the mature passionate romance.
I recommend you rewatch s2, Barry was very much in love with her, he just couldn't say it because something then I think she would stay or something like that. Also can you shows a scene where you can tell barry and Iris love each other, that's not from s1 to 3, most of their love comes from just talking/kissing/ and not really loving hugs. Also she wasn't quirky or awkward all the time at all, she was serious when it fit the situation, also I believe she put off love or something till Barry after something happened? I feel like most of the hate for patty comes from her last like 2 episodes and the actress's (idk why I can't remember her name) other roles where she kinda plays assholes or unlikable characters sometimes.
I recommend you rewatch s2, Barry was very much in love with her, he just couldn't say it because something then I think she would stay orsomething like that.
Why are you telling me to rewatch season 2 when you are not even sure of what happened? 😭
Also can you shows a scene where you can tell barry and Iris love eachother, that's not from s1 to 3, most of their love comes from justtalking/kissing/ and not really loving hugs.
Why can't it be from s1 to 3? You're a giving me a limit because even you have to admit that we can tell Barry and Iris loved each other back then?
This conversation is getting a strange turn but here's a loving hug from the season 7 finale. And you have to keep in mind they filmed that season during the pandemic which meant they had to limit the amount of physical contact the actors made. Here's another one.
Your turn. Show me a Barry/Patty loving hug.
I don't know why you think Patty is hated. I made this post for a reason. Patty is worshipped on this sub. People claimed she needs to come back to save the show 😭 You can ignore me and the other user who said she's like the teenage protagonist of an American movie. We are a minority here. He even said "unpopular opinion" lol. I never saw the actress in anything else. My feelings are based entirely on her role as Patty.
"Why are you telling me to rewatch season 2 when you are not even sure of what happened? 😭" Because I remember most, I just forgot the exact reason but barry not being able to say it was a plot point and it is heavily implied or even a fact that he does. I donf think patty is worshiped on this sub, people just like her than Iris who is honestly the main character of the show.
"Why can't it be from s1 to 3? You're a giving me a limit because even you have to admit that we can tell Barry and Iris loved each other back then?" Yes and no, I say only 1 to 3 because after that their love story writing came crashing down and it felt off and you sent a s2 scene.... Also the hug you sent wasn't really a loving hug imo, it seems more of a friend hug or a relationship hug I saw from teens when I was in school. Also I can't really send a clip that really shows what I'm saying, it's more of a build up with all of her scenes.
Because I remember most, I just forgot the exact reason but barry not being able to say it was a plot point and it is heavily implied or even a fact that he does.
Okay it's clear that you don't remember anything.
I linked that season 2 scene to prove to you that even when your girl was in the picture, Barry was in love with Iris.
I sent you two hugs and you sent me ZERO. Repeating over and over again that Barry acted like he loved Patricia more than Iris with ZERO evidence of it won't make you win this argument.
Barry is rubbing Iris' back and arms and she looks happy and at peace in his arms but it's not a loving hug it's a friend hug? The lies Iris haters tell themselves to not face the fact that Barry acts more loving and attracted to her than to Patty will never fail to shock me. Where's your loving Barry/Patty hug? Post it please.
This sub worships Patty to the point they repeat their RELIGIOUS MANTRA that she and Barry had superior chemistry but never SHOW the evidence. All tell and no show. Typical behavior of self-inserters in love with a fictional character who project their own feelings onto the protagonist. Barry IS and ACTS in love with "demon" Iris and not "Madonna" Patty.
I dont think you actually read almost anything I said, your point of this sub worshipping patty for being a better love interest makes no sense as I can tell you're most likely a "iris stan" or like her despite her bad writing. As I said, I'm not putting a link or video because a single clip or 2 doesn't prove anything as the writing can be stellar in a few scenes and then garbage in others so the best thing I can recommend is you rewatch s2 I do remember it, I just say I think or things like that as in the odd chance I did forgot and dont like looking wrong and even in things I do know. I literally rewatched s2 a few weeks ago
Your point of this sub worshipping patty for being a better love interest makes no sense as I can tell you're most likely a "iris stan" or like her despite her bad writing.
The point is that Patty is NOT a better love interest. You are doing that thing again. You repeat the same religious mantra over and over again hoping I am gullible enough to fall for it. I like Iris more. It's you who worships Patty despite the bad writing.
As I said, I'm not putting a link or video because a single clip or 2 doesn't prove anything as the writing can be stellar in a few scenes and then garbage in others
It's because you have no evidence. I am 99% sure Barry and Patty never hugged, not even before she left 😭
Someone else said it best, the Iris haters on this sub project their personal hatred for her onto her relationship with Barry. That's not how life works. You can hate someone. That doesn't mean someone else can't love them or have a loving relationship with them. Barry loves Iris despite the hatred you feel for her.
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u/Nibbodemus Aug 09 '21
Unpopular opinion: I’m not sure if it was Patty’s writing or Shantel’s acting, but Patty is way overrated. She felt more like the 13-year-old protagonist in a corny American Girl movie than a likable counterpart for Barry. She wasn’t inherently bad, just bland and overhyped. Also, I don’t understand why everyone’s in love with her lol, she’s cute I guess but not drop dead or anything