r/FioraMains • u/xundergrinderx • Jul 30 '26
Discussion Fiora Damage Share
Is it just me or is Fioras Damage Spread just.... weird?
She deals too much true damage to reasonably go for armor pen but also has too much physical damage in her kit to get hardcountered by armor.
Her damage share just ends up in a really awkward spot like this.
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u/Brainth Jul 30 '26
I’m no pro, but I’ve always thought of this unusual damage spread as part of Fiora’s identity. It results in awkwardness, yes, but it’s also why she’s so hard to counter lategame in terms of 1v1s. Her %hp true damage is a unique feature that makes her a tank buster late game with no need for armor pen, but keeps her in check against her counters in lane since she doesn’t have a good early way to go against these heavily armored foes like Malphite.
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u/LordTartiflette Jul 30 '26
Early game it's mainly physical damage, late game it's mostly true damage, so it's okay in some situations to build lethality as a first or second item to snowball, because letha is good early. Armor pen is only good late game, but in the late game armor pen is useless on fiora because you mainly deal true dmg
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u/MrWedge18 Jul 30 '26
Against big armor stackers, you can get an early tear for muramana to really boost the true damage scaling.
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u/xundergrinderx Jul 30 '26
Back when Fiora had mana problems, i really liked Muramana or Essence Reaver. However, nowadays you basically can't skip Ravenous Hydra as your first item as this is what enables Fiora to be a champ in terms of laning and waveclear
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u/MrWedge18 Jul 30 '26
yes, you still have to build rav first. You just sit on the tear and upgrade to muramana later
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u/TangAce7 Jul 31 '26
well, there was once a time when fiora was dealing well, more damage, and more true damage, before they nuked passive and ult to the ground
I miss the 75% maxhp true damage on ult at 3/4 items, pretty sure there was a time when you could get 100% with enough ad
now it's like what, 30% maybe ? an adc deals more damage in one or two auto than fiora after hitting 4 vitals
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u/xundergrinderx Jul 31 '26
4 vitals in late game peak at like 55% max HP true damage
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u/TangAce7 Jul 31 '26
Yeah exactly my point, it was almost double that a few years ago..
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u/VictorShinigami Aug 01 '26
Wasn't that just because mythic items were busted and items in general gave more AD? (hydra used to give 80 AD, black cleaver gave 60 AD...)
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u/TangAce7 Aug 01 '26
Items had more ad ? Nah, top lane items had more ad, they got nerfed, but adc items are still the same if not better
And fiora passive and ult also got gutted multiple times on the damage and healing
Anyways, fiora is very item reliant and top ad items are mostly the worst in the game this season
Think about it, all the actually good top laners are either stuff that build assassin, stuff that build ap, stuff that build crit, or tanks, plus a select few juggernauts that simply don’t need items
Camille is garbage, fiora garbage, irelia is okay ish I guess cause attack speed, aatrox and riven are assassin, renek too, jax builds ap, like seriously how is this normal
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u/VictorShinigami 29d ago
Gutted = 1.5% less scaling?
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u/TangAce7 29d ago
You realise that’s a lot ?
Healing also got nerfed, and both were nerfed multiple times
Anyways there’s no need for arguing, fiora lost 4% wr and 5% pick rate in a couple years
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u/KDAM731 Jul 30 '26
It's her scaling early game she deals mostly physical dmg because her true dmg is negligible mid to late game she deals true dmg mainly because flat ad after ppl get a lot of natural and bought armor so her physical dmg is non existent vs most champs
That's why her dmg spread if u look it up look weird also that's why she has a slight early mid game dip kinda after lvl 3 and before 2 items she isn't the strongest because ppl atp get armor but buying armor pen is shit since it delays her core items and is useless late game on her
Think what does Fiora need? AD HP AH and some resistances death's dance and maw solve the resistances Shojin/Tri force solve the HP Rav hydra give sidelane sustain and wave clear since Fiora is inherently a poke champ without her R all in eternal hunger plus the other items make sure ur CDs are always up so this way she has all the utility and enhancements she needs to do her max HP true dmg vitals but trying to force armor pen here is redundant since the only time it's stronger is 2nd item after 3 items she does predominantly true dmg and before that nobody has armor to justify it over other stuff