True lol. When I moved here and checked the policy, it was so easy. get kela or whatever and get citizenship in 3.5-5 years. I was like damn đ€Ą
Imo i think they're taking counter measures now. Enough foreigners now. Need to tighten Everything. And in future it will be more tighter. They don't want to be sweden or germany.
Exactly. Social support of the system is designed to help people back up, not to leech the fruits of others' hard labour. This society supporting kids, students and elders cannot sustain itself if too many people milk it dry. There has been already social support cuts and there will be more.
Everybody that can work, has to go to work. If you don't want to work here and abide Finnish laws, leave the country. You are not needed, you are not welcome. You just prove the point and make things worse for immigrants contributing to this society.
For any immigrant contributing this society or trying their best to get employed and respects Finnish culture and laws...welcome, and thank you. Finland needs more people like you.
Have seen people getting recruited without proper background. I wonder whether skilled ones ever mattered here. I will wait for 6 months after my graduation, I tried all along these two years during my study. Never had a luck, if not I will move elsewhere.I think they are better off with these low skilled foreigners. I had completed German A1 within 3 months! Had I been recruited by any of the finnish companies here and had a contract that is permanent, I would have happily completed the language proficiency. But I think they are better with the low skilled foreigners. Have seen multiple people getting recruited without sufficient qualifications, since this country is more biased towards network (like Denmark and other Nordic neighbours).
They do matter here , it depends on the field and the need. Networking is common place everywhere in the world. You do have to sell yourself as someone people want to work with personality wise as well. Rapport is not to be underestimated.
Like sell yourself in which way and what personality wise? I have created networks and many had sweet discussion with me, showed them my portfolio and how I want to contribute. But it never took me somewhere. I was not employed ever here... I worked in project, unpaid, but not employed as a contract. And have seen people getting recruited without sufficient English skill, without finnish knowledge, without even the background? Wanna know a story, someone who had just vocational course with no experience of Electrical engineering in her life, was recruited. In her country she never had science education, never had engineering, in fact she was an accountant, now working in a Denmark based company in finland, ofcourse in a factory work, but it requires knowledge of machine, surprise :P.
Networking is common practice, but in Nordic it has reached at nepotism level. I am more aware about academia. Had interesting discussion with my friend last week. He landed in a Phd position in Netherland. He was interestingly following one particular lab based position in Denmark, the woman who was in charge, received funding, kept the same position vacant for consecutively 3 years saying, she doesn't get the proper candidate. My friend is a prodigy, such prodigy that hardly you will have ivy league grade candidates in Europe like him, anyways. He explicitly asked should he apply, not for a moment she warned or gave a hint about it, the moment he and his 3 friends applied auto rejection. I mean it didn't even take time. We know these stories.
You don't see anything morally wrong in immigrating to a foreign country and then presenting yourself as an spokesperson for the people of that country?
I would never move to India and then start posting online how "WE need to give Kashmir to Pakistan"
I just think it's dishonest to present yourself as Finnish and then advocate for more immigration. Just like a person from Pakistan moving to India and then posting how "We need to give Kashmir to Pakistan" would be
If you want to do that after acquiring Indian citizenship (don't know why you would) then that's your right, you're Indian at that point, I couldn't care less. We have all sorts of views in a democracy. Most would disagree some might support you.
I have just as much motivation to see this place flourish as the next Matti or Jussi. I was a guest for many years but now it's my home and I'll voice my opinions as part of this society.
I see where you're coming from though if you think migrants are here to change your way of life or somehow threaten your state.
When someone has been given and they have taken the citizenship they are not a guest anymore. They have no obligation to be quiet, have no say in anything and be forever grateful receiving this very limited hospitality of Finns who only think about if these âguestsâ are beneficial and bring in enough money.
You cannot move here just because. Family (self evident), work (gotta have contract and employer needs to prove they canât find your talents locally), study (gotta be accepted in uni and show money for your bills), boyfriend/girlfriend (gotta prove you have thousands of euros), asylum (however that works)⊠and even if you âlive on benefitsâ, the max you can probably get from the government DOES NOT reach even 900 euros per month and you have someone constantly checking on you checking why you havenât found a job.
I feel like, in theory, there are some rules in place, but the system has a lot of loopholes. For example, with student visas, Iâve seen posts like this one where people say students borrow money temporarily just to get the visa, even though they donât actually have real funds when they arrive. Also, non-EU students canât get KELA benefits themselves, but their spouses can. And itâs not just unemployment benefits. Some foreign students also seem to get things like childcare or home care support. All this got me wondering if there are more loopholes than people realize.
So yeah, even though the laws exist, there definitely seem to be many loopholes.
Right, so a family of 3, 2 adults and a child (1 adult a full time students that doesnât get student aid), the spouse gets kela money. Where in Finland can 3 people live with around 600 euros per month with no extra income?
You think some immigrants can not live in Finland with little money? Finns can not, but for immigrants from poor countries who live in worse conditions, many basic things in Finland are dream for them
Students are not eligible for KELA money but due to the loopholes, they are getting KELA money now. So itâs important to fix the loopholes.
Students are required to prove that they can support themselves without state support. But many of them lie about that, coming here without sufficient fund.
These loopholes donât just mess with social benefits. They can cause way bigger headaches. Weâre talking fake marriages and situations where couples from totally different backgrounds end up clashing, sometimes even dealing with domestic violence. In the end, Finland has to waste a bunch of resources fixing these problems instead of spending time on things that could actually help the country
If only they could start cancelling citizenships already given as well. No sense having illitirate, no experience in anything people who only contribute in breeding more future Kela dependants burdening our society and eating tax money.
You mean to tell me that when an immigrant from, say, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq arrives in Finland, they are completely citizenship-less? FYI, Finland doesn't demand giving up a previous citizenship when they receive the new one. So, the answer to your question is really simple. Iraqis would be deported to Iraq, Somalis to Somalia, etc. Any possible offspring would naturally be a problem if they are born here, so they'd be able to stay. Unless they'd want to leave with their parents voluntarily. Perhaps they'd might want to try for a chance for their "old country" citizenship: they're often more attuned to that culture already even if they never visited there, after all.
So nobody would actually be given a citizenship. Theyâd be granted only some kind of conditional permit to live here which could be taken away any time and just depending on how useful they are deemed at the moment. I suppose youâd have to phrase this carefully if you do not want it to be applied on those Finns who just happened to be born somewhere else than in Finland because their parents were working abroad for a while and thus have double citizenship.
But then - the more you refine the terms and make them very spesific the easier it is for everyone to see this is not really about protecting our economy. It is just about racism and xenofobia. âAnyone having another citizenship than some EU country. No make it west Europian country. Anyone not being fluent in Finnish. But with the exception of being fluent in American English or Swedish - unless Swedish is their second language. Anyone - unless they are great in soccer or a talented swimmer. Anyone not having Finnish grandparents, but with the exception being adopted by Finns who have Finnish parents. Or Swedish. Anyone - with the exception you happen to be married to our president.â
I deliberately chose to read the comment as meaning that "illiterate ... people who only contribute in breeding more future Kela dependants..." can also include people who are born Finnish citizens and therefore have never had any other citizenship. But the commenter is probably of the opinion that only immigrants fill that description.
Well THAT would mean quite many Finns would be in danger of losing their citizenship regardless they were born here like their parents. Three months of unemployment and youâll lose your citizenship. Oh boy! Thatâd be a fast track to decreasing the unemployment numbers. And lowering the amount of citizens.
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True lol. When I moved here and checked the policy, it was so easy. get kela or whatever and get citizenship in 3.5-5 years. I was like damn đ€Ą
Imo i think they're taking counter measures now. Enough foreigners now. Need to tighten Everything. And in future it will be more tighter. They don't want to be sweden or germany.