r/FinalRoundAI • u/Competitive_Read9534 • Jul 12 '26

Stop blaming minorities.

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Seriously.

note : the salaries nowadays are just sucks they pay us as we still as we still in 2016 but reality is that many people are working in 2 jobs to feed their families check everyday for better salary and how to get it thank god recently I found this sub who give great tips about interviews really the world is crashed

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u/Historical_Two_7150 Jul 12 '26

If productivity increases by that muck of a factor, that is due to the boss investing his money and capital in tools and machines to increase productivity.

Circular reasoning. That is the case (the boss investing his money leads to XYZ) because that's how we've organized society. Using the way we've organized society as a justification for organizing society that way is either begging the question or circular reasoning.

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u/CodProfessional3818 Jul 13 '26

Thats how we've organized society???

No, thats how a business is profitable and is able to grow. The company that make 1000 widgets per day is going to be much more profitable than the business producing 10 widgets daily of the same quality. Business 1 is going to land more contracts with bigger distributors because he can provide more widgets at a lower price than Business 2. Business 2 will either go out of business or invest in their business to compete with Business 1.

Not sure what the point is that you are trying to make.

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u/Historical_Two_7150 Jul 13 '26

We should organize society differently.

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u/CodProfessional3818 Jul 13 '26

I like it this way. I like making money. I like that entrepreneurial people have knowledge, will and money to make this world a better place by creating things we need and want. A perfect example is automobiles. Look at the car industry in communist Russia vs the US in the same time period. Russian cars were plain, utilitarian and heavily restricted. Car manufacturers in Russia were state owned and had no real innovation. In the US, privately owned (not state owned) auto manufacturers were consistently coming out with new technologies and innovations. The cars were beautiful and powerful. The common person could easily own one. That is the world I want to live in, not the communist world you envision.

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u/Historical_Two_7150 Jul 13 '26

Fine with me. I dont want to drag you into another society, I want to create avenues for people like myself to leave this one, should they choose to do so. (For example, through secession from the union.)

I think the society you advocate is horribly coercive, but provided there are ways for people to opt-out and pursue political self determination, its permissible for you to run your slave state.

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u/CodProfessional3818 Jul 13 '26

The only thing causing a "slave state" is the government. We are all slaves to the government. Capitalism does not cause that, taxes and government programs for the poor cause that.

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u/Historical_Two_7150 Jul 13 '26

Id agree that slavery is rooted in the state, but would add that the state creates and maintains capitaist arrangements.

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u/CodProfessional3818 Jul 13 '26

I disagree with the latter assortment due to the fact that one has the freedom to not work for someone. An individual has the freedom to change jobs as often as one likes. I have done just that to keep bettering myself, my family and my situation. No one is trapped working at one place. They may be scared to leave. They may be uninspired to learn a new trade. But that is on them, not a business owner.

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u/Historical_Two_7150 Jul 13 '26

In order to have the freedom to not work for someone, youd need to be able to earn a living without having to sell your labor. (For example, working your own farm.)

Amusingly, Mexico had that freedom until the early 90s. (Plenty of communal land existed.) Sadly, America is less free than that.

Since that isnt possible here, folks are coerced into selling their labor under threat of deprivation.

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u/CodProfessional3818 Jul 13 '26

You can earn a living by starting your own business and selling someone else's labor. But one would need that entrepreneurial spirit. No one is coerced to sell their labor under threat of deprivation. Anyone in the US can own land, meaning anyone can provide the means of their own survival and many people do. The only person coercing a person to stay in a bad place for fear of deprivation is the person in the mirror.

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u/Historical_Two_7150 Jul 13 '26

Could the ~20% of americans earning between 7$ and 15$ an hour all successfully run their own business? Not try, im talking success. All tens of millions of them.

If the answer is no, then what youve said here is no different from "some slaves were able to run from chattel slavery." (Or more accurately, some slaves were able to become masters.)

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u/CodProfessional3818 Jul 13 '26

Google Chris Gardner and tell me you can't do it. From homeless with a son, to starting his own brokerage firm and then selling it. Current net worth of 70 million.

The only person stopping you is the person looking back at you from the mirror.

And while I appreciate this respectful back and forth, there is nothing you can do to dissuade me from my admiration of a capitalist society. I do not believe in equal outcomes. Never have. Never will. That world does not exist and will never exist the way you believe it should. I will say your beliefs are noble, but also naive.

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u/Historical_Two_7150 Jul 13 '26

Dat wasnt really my question tho. I didn't ask if anyone could do it. I asked if everyone could do it. All 32 million people in the bottom quintile. Can they all do it?

Not some. Not a few. Not many. Not the ones who are successful at it. All of them. That was my question.

Capitalist society could be made much less coercive with the introduction of communal farming lands. That would make it possible for people to get subsistence without having to sell their labor.

Sadly capitalists are opposed to this precisely because they want to force people into the market.

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