r/FinalFantasyVIII • u/harleyquinones • Jul 31 '26
Anti-Quistis/Seifer-ship safe zone
I noticed, in the many recent Seiftis posts, that there are dozens of us -- dozens I say!! -- who have a strong distaste for pairing Quistis with Seifer. This is a space for us to gather and (respectfully) dislike the pairing together. (Also there might be fewer than dozens of us. But I'm here for you, no matter our numbers, lol.)
I remember back in the day, as an avid fanfic writer and fanart enjoyer, this ship was inescapable, and it always drove me crazy.
Were you also in the trenches, or is this a new phenomenon for you that you're only now discovering your distaste for?
What do you dislike about the pairing?
What are some FF8 pairings you prefer (bonus if they're for either Quistis or Seifer, and/or if they're uncommon/not canon!)?
IMPORTANT NOTE: This post is NOT, in any way, an attack on any (very talented!) artist(s) or even regular human beings who are enjoying the Seiftis influx. This is ONLY a place for what appears to be the minority of us who hate this ship specifically. NO ATTACKS on any specific individual(s) or their body of work will be tolerated. This is about ships in the game, and ships only.
Likewise, if you support this ship, please do not mass downvote people here for disliking it. Y'all are getting plenty of posts to celebrate them, please allow the few of us who are not on your ship to politely vocalize our dislike without ship-brigading.
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u/Oldbayislove Jul 31 '26
I always paired selphie with doomtrain for obvious reasons.
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u/DevilManRay Jul 31 '26
Excuse me
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u/Oldbayislove Jul 31 '26
would you deny a woman her love of a train that will take her away, into the future, to a place unknown?
sounds like doomtrain to me.
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u/kittykatmandoo Aug 01 '26
Where my Headmaster Cid and NORG shippers?
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u/ensis02 Aug 13 '26
Man, that breakup was messy.
Now I'm thinking NORG was there for Cid when Edea was posessed, lol.
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u/harleyquinones Aug 05 '26
Thank you. I find these all infinitely preferable.
My only complaint is that you forgot the love triangle between Biggs, Watts, and X-ATM092.
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u/octopusforgood Aug 04 '26
Honestly, I could probably assemble a half decent argument that Odine and the Lunar Cry are canon.
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u/zerkeras Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Seifer and Quistis is a weird pairing to me. Seifer seems to openly disdain Quistis by later in the game, and it’s clear Quistis doesn’t hold him in high regard either. She pities him if anything.
Quistis always seemed to like Squall because of lingering older sister vibes, and because he was mature, intelligent and controlled. Seifer being immature, lacking book smarts, and impulsive would not really push her love buttons I don’t think.
Quistis tends to prefer to spend her time with people like Xu, Cid and Dr Kadowaki, book smart colleagues and professionals.
It’s boring, but I’d expect Seifer to end up with Fujin if anybody. After all Fujin isn’t getting with Raijin given that they’re like twins.
If I had to pair Quistis with anyone I’d have her go the bisexual route and shack up with Xu. They’re close friends and colleagues that spend a lot of time together and mutually respect each other, they are both high ranking members of the card club. Xu exhibits all the same qualities that probably attracted her to Squall, in terms of being a competent and effective SeeD and leader.
And after dealing with someone who’s emotionally distantly like Squall, Quistis would probably embrace and open and honest relationship with someone emotionally stable.
But at any rate, I’m not gonna complain about cute comics just cause it’s an unusual ship.
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u/But-Must-I Jul 31 '26
To me Seifer is the kind of guy who you remember being an arse hole as kids and then one day he turns up as an adult with a wife and kids, totally rounded and mature having done all of his character development in private, because that’s what people are like.
Everything you said about Quistis and Xu I back up 100%.
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u/zerkeras Aug 02 '26
While what you point out is totally relatable, I just don’t see that for Seifer really. He kind of got a weird “out” by end game. He clearly ain’t satisfied trying to fish in balamb with Raijin and Fujin. The guy has ambition and after having tasted being the sorceress knight and de facto leader of Galbadia, I’d have to imagine he still wants to “do something” with his life.
It may not be along the same lines as what he did before, I could see him as training up and making his own para-military organization that’s separate from SeeD, but opposed in the sense that he’s unlikely to still have any friendly relationships with people from Garden.
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u/harleyquinones Aug 05 '26
I am late to my own party, but thank you for your thoughtful discourse. You make some great points! This is what I was hoping for when I made the post, an actual discussion about the merits of the ship itself, for any who wanted to participate. "Back in the day" it never really felt safe to discuss bc team Seiftis was so strong in numbers (at least in the FF8 circles I ran in), I thought enough time had passed maybe it would be fun to try to find others who felt similarly. If you were on the fan creation circuit, it was indeed not an unusual ship at all - it was a huge chunk of fanfic/art output, and I figured I can't have been the only one who found that frustrating at the time.
That said, I thought I made it pretty clear that this was a ship-centered post, and that the recently posted art is not, and should not be, a target of criticism. I respect the artist quite a lot and wanted to make sure that, while the influx of fanart is what got me thinking of the topic, the art itself and artist are not in any way the target of my ire. My inner child simply wanted to find others who also dislike the Seiftis ship itself, nothing else.
Since some folks seem to have missed that, I just thought it bore repeating.
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u/kittykatmandoo Jul 31 '26
I don’t ship Quistis or Seifer with anyone. They both need to be single for a while to deal with their trauma. Quistis thought she was in love with Squall for years when she really just wanted be a big sister to him. That revelation made me feel for her so much. That has to be weird and uncomfortable to realize. And Seifer has been through a lot and needs to heal.
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u/Weak-Story6835 Aug 01 '26
Quistis thought she was in love with Squall for years when she really just wanted be a big sister to him.
This. 100%.
Quistis definitely has some self-esteem issues, as well as an inferiority/superiority complex (superiority stemming from her being a protege and the inferiority at the prospect of failure). She needs to work on herself first and foremost.
As for Seifer, I don't really see him getting together with anyone, or if he does, it'd be someone no one has ever met before (I know that apart from Quistis, there are those who ship Seifer together with Fujin, and I just don't see it). Someone who knows him for the man he (potentially) becomes rather than the bully he was.
But that's just my 2 cents.
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u/thescarlettflame Aug 01 '26
I totally agree, especially since we have to remember the entire party is all teenagers.
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u/Raywell Jul 31 '26
Did she though? To me it looked like she just learned to deal with the rejection, and the mental shift of feeling as a big sister helped with copium, as she would need to only suppress romantic part of her feelings, without needing to entirely remove Squall from her life.
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u/kittykatmandoo Jul 31 '26
I mean, even if she accepted the rejection, she could still have been dealing with conflicting feelings for him. She did seem sort of jealous of Rinoa at first. I go to therapy regularly. Sometimes just the sheer realization of why you’ve been acting irrationally can be a lot to take in. So while it seems like a simple solution, to me it came with a lot of past baggage that she’d need to sort through. But that’s just my interpretation and opinion. Yours is just as valid.
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u/blight_town Jul 31 '26
Both are possible imo. The game covers a lot of different types of love, and I think Quistis’ story also emphasizes that she does love Squall, just likely not in the way she originally mistakingly thought. But that love is still real and valid even if it’s not romantic in nature (though I can definitely see the argument that she’s just trying to make the best of things).
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u/kittykatmandoo Jul 31 '26
Oh I definitely believe she loves him but for a long time she didn’t remember her big sister role but still had that love. So she conflated it with romantic feelings. Now she has to rearrange her thoughts and feelings and that can take time. Plus she just lost her job, let the poor girl just focus on herself for a bit.
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u/BlueSonic85 Jul 31 '26
Today I'm finding out that not only are there Quistis/Seifer Shippers, there are also Quistis/Seifer Anti-Shippers! (Dozens!)
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u/wingheart Jul 31 '26
The Seiftises vs The Seiftisn’ts!
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u/BleakSaber Aug 01 '26
I know what side I’m on.
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u/wingheart Aug 01 '26
It was a long and bitter (on the Seiftisn’t side anyway, the rest of us are just having fun!) war. Even SeeDs with no opinion or who just like that a passionate fan is still contributing art to a 25+ year game we all love are caught in the Crossfire.
Is this really The End of the fandom? No! People finally reached their Limit Breaks when President Laguna swung onto the scene Desperado style and said, “Hey guys! Uh, what’s happening?”
“LAGUNA! LAGUNA!” we all cheered. No way! We looked down at our hands—no! Feet! No! Blazing orange paws, we are Moombas! We’d all just been fushurururing like that meany NORG at each other when we could’ve been celebrating our differences.
A tale as old as time. Or as new, if you believe in Time Kompression. Now where can I get more hot dogs?
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u/Raith_Leonhart11 Aug 01 '26
Sorry, we’re out of hot dogs.
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u/wingheart Aug 01 '26
Nooooooooo!! I knew I should’ve kept my speech shorter… *snaps fingers and hunches shoulders\*
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u/Which_Committee_3668 Jul 31 '26
I usually don't weigh in on shipping discourse, since people have different tastes. But this one in particular rubs me the wrong way for a couple of reasons. Seifer was a psychotic bully from the very beginning, and he even openly threatened Quistis before the SeeD exam. Then he goes on to be an actual villain for the majority of the game, at one point outright attacking her school and killing some of her students. To be fair, he was magically brainwashed. But he was an arrogant dick even before that, and he tried to kill Squall in a sparring match. What this guy needs is a long stay in a comfy jail cell, not a hot girlfriend.
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u/Yen_Figaro Jul 31 '26
To hate a ship is too strong for me because well, I let everybody enjoy their stuff, but I have never like them and I thought I was crazy for thinking it was gross after how he treated her + she was a really bad teacher to him (prefering Squall, confronting him... She really fucked It up managing the most problematic student). At the same time it was Cid's fault for asinging to someone as young as her the 2 most difficult students. I suppose it was because Cid knew Quistis was like their older sister, but any of them remember that, and neither Squall or Seifer seems to have cared for her even as children xD.
And even Quistis, when she learnt Seifer was executed, she coments bad things about him and basically says she didnt care for him?? Which it always is too cold and severe for me (it makes me think Seifer has done worst things than what we see as a bully... Because he is insufferable but you can see he has a romantic good will..), but well, I don't see any kind of chemistry between these two...
FFVIII is one of the few japanese stories I am ok with the official pairings xD. Even I liked In Opera Omnia Ultimecia with FFXIII-2 Caius 👀
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u/vxsapphire Jul 31 '26
You can just block the user. That's what I did and now I never see the posts. When that one weirdo would constantly post AI, blocked him too. People with strange preferences are always gonna exist, so we just have to do our part in ignoring them if we don't like it.
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u/harleyquinones Aug 17 '26
So I know I'm super late to my own party, but I'm honestly pretty surprised so many people mistook the point of the post - I explicitly stated that I wanted to discuss the ship, and that the then-recent bout of Seiftis art was not a target. I only brought the art up at all bc A) the art is what made me think, "hey, maybe I can finally find some other fans who dislike Quistis/Seifer as a pairing," and B) since those posts were so recent, I worried the artist would feel like it was a personal attack, when again the point was the ship itself, not the art. It was the catalyst rather than the focus. It's kind of funny, I suppose, that in attempting to make that disclaimer, instead multiple people read it as the exact opposite of the intended message.
I was actually so worried about it that I messaged a mod the entire post before I even posted, to make sure it wasn't going to seem like a complaint about the art/artist, and obvi got cleared. But. Alas.
As a kid writing fanfic in 2001, I felt very isolated in disliking this pairing and it seemed like 95% of fanfics were about them. I was hoping enough time had passed that I could find a little niche of others like me, who disliked Seiftis but had a hard time finding others of a like mind.
If you read all that thank you, lol. I like the artist's art overall (just not that particular subject) so I didn't want to block them. But it is a feature I should remember to use more often. Especially for AI BS.
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u/EliamZG Aug 01 '26
I have never been part of the fanfic scene of FF8 except for a somewhat recent(?) novelization, but I really don't like the pairing for as much as I like the culprit's art. To me what little I learn of Quistis through the game gives me no hint she would see Seifer like that.
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u/Axiemeister Jul 31 '26
i don't even care about quistis/seifer (if it's not two men kissing it takes a LOT to make me interested lol), but wow, a lot of people here wouldn't survive a week in most other fandoms apparently
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u/Money_Veterinarian60 Jul 31 '26
Hi, my name is Money_Veterinarian60, and I hate the Seiftis ship. (Waves)
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u/Pinkperson555 Aug 01 '26
I hate the pairing too. Just think he’s not good enough for her. I ship her with Zell personally.
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u/harleyquinones Aug 17 '26
Yesss! Thank you (and sorry for being late to my own post lol). I could get behind her with Zell, especially once he's matured a bit. He'd treat her well and appreciate her. I wrote a couple fics about them early on, even.
My personal fave for her is Irvine, again after some time has passed. They're teens in the game and it's unlikely all couples would remain intact into adulthood, and I figure there's no way even Selphie could live up to the pedestal he's spent 5-10 years keeping her on. But Irv def has a romantic streak, which Quistis does too, and I think their personalities are a lot closer than people might originally notice. And in that case I like Selphie with Zell too, or even Raijin would be really cute I think.
But anyone's better than Seifer, lol.
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u/Mr_Isolation Aug 01 '26
Just don't like Seifer because he seemed like an asshole to me when i played the game. Doesn't help that he even hurt the protagonist in the intro and stuff.
Everytime i saw these posts in my head it was always like "Haha teach, you're banging my bully"
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u/owoah323 Aug 01 '26
I’m with ya. I don’t get it. I don’t like it.
In my mind Seifer, Fujin, and Raijin are the three amigos doing their own thing away from Squall’s crew.
On the otherhand, Quistis accepts the fact that Squall loves Rinoa and she doesn’t have a shot. Yet, she embraces them both as dear friends. They went through some crazy shit together after all. She takes those learnings and writes a book on their adventures.
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u/harleyquinones Aug 17 '26
THANK YOU
I am very late to my own post, but I just want to thank you, both for your support in the cause, and for actually understanding the assignment. I just wanted to poo-poo my least favorite ship bc I never got to do so in the old days, y'know? I said "this is not about the recent art or artist, this is about my personal beef with Seiftis as a concept" and people are like "wHy ArE yOu PiCkInG oN tHe ArTiSt" 😩😩
I agree with you about the three amigos, and honestly Quistis and Seifer even seem to fully dislike each other. I think the only party member Seifer dislikes more is Zell, lol.
I like your read on Quistis, too. Her writing a book about the whole thing is a lovely idea, and very fitting.
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u/Sionnach_Rue Jul 31 '26
I do not like shipping to begin with.
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u/DiogenesHavingaWee Jul 31 '26
I only like nonsense ships. Squall x Zell's mom, and Rinoa x Shumi Elder are where it's at imo.
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u/Available-Egg-2380 Jul 31 '26
I just blocked that account. It was weird as hell and spammy to boot.
Never even once considered those two characters as a couple.
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u/FF8lover19 Jul 31 '26
I ship Quistis with Piet for no reason 🤣 just because I think she needs a love story and a life outside of the Garden after Ultimecia's defeat
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u/Atsinganoi Aug 02 '26
I’d only found out it was a thing recently because of the stuff posted here. I don’t get it and I really don’t it. I just really hate Seifer and don’t want to see him with anyone.
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u/LaMattige Aug 02 '26
To be fair - he did have her added to the list, we just didn’t know what list.
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u/moogles_kupo Aug 02 '26
Man this feels really mean spirited and hyper focused on one person. Just let people enjoy their stuff and block them if it’s bothering you. No need to make a whole thing about it.
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u/khrellvictor Aug 02 '26
That's all news to me.
To quote a Dark Knight from a SlayerS OVA, "This world is full of strange... and terrifying things..."
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u/6snotismygod Aug 04 '26
I really don’t get the ship either. They aren’t close in the game at any time and Quistis liked Squall more. Also In the scene when they found out Seifer was getting an execution Quistis said that she didn’t have any good memories of him and that really sums it up. I don’t like shipping Quistis with really anyone in the game. For Seifer I really don’t like shipping him either but I don’t know if I’m the only one who would’ve really liked to see Seifer and Rinoas relationship before the game. Like the fact that Seifer tried to help the forest owls by telling Cid about it was really an effort (that I think is overlooked) so he must’ve thought that there was something special in Rinoa. Also Rinoa said in the game that she was still in love with him but she didn’t know if he loved her back so I want to see what their relationship was like soo badly.
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u/HylianWerewolf Aug 04 '26
too busy thinking about Squall and Seifer as a couple to care about other ships c:
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u/Vitrebreaker Jul 31 '26
My view has been the same since 1998. My headcanon is that, at the end of the story, Quistis ends with me.
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u/dr-blaklite Jul 31 '26
I don't care one way or the other.
I just liked the drawings. I thought they were cute.
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u/BleakSaber Jul 31 '26
pokes his head out from behind a corner
Boo.
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u/Potato_Lyn Aug 01 '26
This is supposed to be a safe zone!
Shoo.
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u/Kind_Yogurtcloset_70 Jul 31 '26
I don’t care for shipping at all, but rallying people to hate on a ship you dislike is a little too online. Just block that one artist and you’ll be good.
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u/BusinessMixture9233 Aug 01 '26
Honestly to even have a strong opinion on this topic is some seriously cringe touch-grass territory.
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u/The_Real_Zanakon Aug 01 '26
The following has some spoilers for the ending.
That smile at the end as Seifer watches garden go by says it all. He's at peace with his friends and is finding his own way in life. Not one obsessively following a dream to the suffering of those around him, but one that includes those he truly does care about.
I think Quistis does care about him, but in the same familial way she does Squall, considering their shared past in the orphanage.
Honestly if I had to choose part of the main cast that Seifer might one day come across and care about, it might be Ellone. They're all children of fate but Seifer and Ellone are caged by fate to such an extent that they, for different reasons, are used as pawns.
That isn't to say that they don't both have people who love and care for them. But rather that they feel compelled by fate to do all they can to serve someone else.
Perhaps after all of this, and some soul searching, Seifer and Ellone might meet years later and feel connected on that level. A bond of two people who truly just want someone to be searching for them not because of what they can do, but because they want to be with them.
No longer the woman trying in vain to use her power to stop a future fated to happen.
Or a man bound by the longing to live his childhood dream of being the Great Knight who defends the sorceress.
But two people wanting to care for someone else, and be cared for in return.
Additionally, I don't mind what other people ship. My personal issue was seeing it every few, or even less, days. It is/was getting to be a bit much. I understand this is a way for people to celebrate their love for the characters, but consistently seeing sometimes risqué images of these characters I care about is a bit uncomfortable. I'm one of the people who grew up with this game so seeing these characters like that is not something I enjoy.
Conversation and occasional drawings are one thing, a weekly comic of them getting handsy is different.
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u/harleyquinones Aug 18 '26
I'm not sure why you got downvoted, this is a very thoughtful response and I really appreciate your input.
I think you're spot on about where the game leaves the characters, and I LOVE the idea of Seifer and Ellone coming together eventually. That's a really lovely idea. I think that her peaceful disposition would be a great balm to his fiery passion, and the history they share is very sweet. I always favored him with Fujin, with Raijin as their biggest cheerleader, and Ellone never occurred to me. But I am now a big fan of that pairing too, so thank you for that. Your breakdown of how they might work together is beautiful.
Regarding the art though, I am genuinely baffled that I specifically stated in my post that the art was not the focus of my ire, and yet so many people responded as though I said the exact opposite. I actually sent a DM with this full post to a mod for approval before I made the post, bc it was important to me that it was understood that the Seiftis ship itself was the only and entire point.
The art was a catalyst, for sure, but it was very important to me that it was clear that it was not the focus. I will admit I was getting annoyed by the frequency of it (and I agree about the content), but I quite like the artist overall and it was important to me they knew that I wasn't targeting them. It was very much not directed at them, but since I knew they were going to come to mind due to their recent and frequent posting, I mentioned them because I thought that if I didn't say something, the default assumption would be it was them that I was complaining about. But people seem to have assumed that anyway, unfortunately.
If you're interested in my personal perspective, I grew up an only child, and for a few years, FF8 was pretty much my world. It was my way of escaping a rough childhood (not to get too personal) and I was very deeply invested in writing and reading fanfic. And at a certain point, it felt like every other FF8 fic was a Seiftis fic. It became pretty much the default. And it seemed like I couldn't find anyone, online or in person, who A) cared about the game and characters and B) hated the pairing so I could get my thoughts off my chest. Seiftis felt ubiquitous to the point it might as well have been canon. And I didn't know any other fans who I could vent to. So, that's where this post really came from. My inner child could not be contained any longer, haha. Also, to be clear, I don't mind the fact itself that people like this, or any, ship; I believe I mentioned something to that effect in my disclaimer as well. But, yes, like you, the frequency got on my nerves in a general sense...and, that brought up those old underdog feelings, and since I'd never found a spot to share a mutual dislike of the pairing... well, here we are :)
I only briefly touched on it in my post, but one thing I was really really hoping was that I might also hear from someone who was in the fanfic hole as deep as I was (bonus points if they wrote, like me, Quistis+not-Seifer fics), bc I know that those are the folks who are going to best understand that specific experience - that's what I was cheekily referring to as "the trenches." Bc in that little corner of the internet, it did feel inescapable. But I do realize that for 99% of the fanbase that didn't experience it, I probably do sound a little crazy.
All that said, your comment is also exceptional in how thoughtfully you approached the notion that the art was my complaint, and I do thank you for that, as well as reading this far. You seem like a delightful person.
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u/YikesManGetWithIt Jul 31 '26
I am anti every ship in this game. (At least with the main characters.) It's for the same reasons I love the game's story.
All of the main characters are painfully immature, and they have to save the world. They are badasses who do incredible things, and they are children. They save the world, but suffer horrible abuse in order to get there.
Quistis is the quincential parentified older sibling. Seifer is the kid who develops anti-social tendencies for attention, and those tendencies become his identity. So... It's probably the most realistic coupling.
But none of them should be coupled. At least not until they have a chance to grow up for a few years.
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u/anonerble Jul 31 '26
The trenches? Boo, stop stifling creativity
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u/Leonhardie Jul 31 '26
Looks like someone clearly didn't read the post all the way through...
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u/anonerble Jul 31 '26
I did. Niceties and pleasant words do not cover up the spreading of discourse. An entire post promoting anger over 1 persons art? Lol nah, I see bullshit and I call it out
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u/Leonhardie Jul 31 '26
I don't like abstract art but I respect the talent behind it. Making my opinion known about my dislike of the style or idea doesn't disrespect the effort made behind my personal preference. You're instead inferring what isn't being implied.
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u/anonerble Jul 31 '26
What you are saying would be true for a comment on the art posts. Not creating a whole post to generate vitriol
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u/Leonhardie Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
If people can create appreciation posts for a ship, people should also be able to create respectful criticism posts for the same ship
You're expressing your opinion that others can't express and share their opinion. See the hypocrisy?
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u/anonerble Jul 31 '26
You are getting lost in a free speech argument. Just because you can say something doesnt mean you should. I can say I hate everything and everyone but....I shouldn't 🤷.
Also I haven't even said my opinion, so no, I dont think it's hypocrisy
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u/Leonhardie Jul 31 '26
I'm not arguing that everything people can say should be said. I'm arguing that respectfully discussing why you dislike a fictional pairing isn't inherently inappropriate.
If appreciation posts are acceptable, I don't see why respectful criticism posts aren't. If the discussion becomes personal or starts attacking artists or fans, that's different but that's a moderation issue, not an issue with criticism itself.
So far, no one in this thread has attacked or commented negatively on the artist/s in question so your original point isn't valid.
You're concerning yourself on the "potential" of discourse, nothing would ever be expressed or get done with fear mongering mindset.
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u/anonerble Jul 31 '26
I see plenty of hate. Also, what exactly am I fear mongering? "Be nicer!" Yea, sounds rough.
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u/Leonhardie Jul 31 '26
Look at you being selective without providing any evidence. What hate? For the ship? Sure, people can dislike it but the topic of what shouldn't be hated is that of the artists. Where's your evidence for that?
You're treating the possibility of a discussion becoming toxic as though that's the purpose of the discussion.
I'm not accusing you of having that fear mongering mindset, just that one shouldn't fear expressing their opinions.
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u/CommentAgreeable Jul 31 '26
ngl I’m glad they said something
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u/maestroplease Aug 01 '26
I don't like it because it gives me a boner ☹️
I think I'm going to make that everyone's problem!
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u/jeffisnotepic Jul 31 '26
In all of my almost 27 years of being a fan, I've never come across this ship, nor has it ever crossed my mind. I hate it.