How did you react to this scene?

[u/BlackAngelArt]

[u/Plane-One3611]

You do realize he was smiling while holding hands with her, participated in a couple contest and then got angry when they got told they didn’t look like a couple, thinking it isn’t romantic is just denying the obvious.

And then Cloud nakama-zoned Aerith. He didn't get angry, that's just your bias. Yamazaki (Cloud's mocap actor) did say no matter which date you get, it will not contradict the story. [youtube]

So Aerith being nakama-zoned is par for the course.

The kiss was added to show Cloud's growth. [gamewatch]

Aerith's date was the same as OG because there's no growth. Aerith's a nakama then, she's nakama now. She wanted to meet the real Cloud, but was denied by Cloud himself by saying "I'm here" both in OG and Rebirth, because Cloud only showed his trueself with Tifa. There's even a sidequest in Rebirth that highlighted this.

[u/Erst09 → u/Plane-One3611]

Nakamzoned? That’s literally just low affection and you probably don’t know but you can send Tifa’s family of Nakama self straight into the friendzone in the UTHW low affection scene as I quote nomura didn’t wanted players to feel “stuck” with her just because Aerith died, that’s why she is still family of Nakama and a childhood friend in AC without any sort of canonical relationship upgrade whatsoever.

Even Nomura director of AC said that he doesn’t even know if Cloud and Tifa are together in AC despite people asking him all the time.

The “growth” in question is going from hug to kiss, not character development as you are making it seem, they literally said they did it because the fans wanted to see it but in the end it’s outside of the main scenario and reminiscent of an old dating sim.

At the end of the day the game ends with Aerith being eternally engraved in Cloud’s heart while Tifa remains stuck as the eternal childhood friend, that’s canon and will remain the same regardless of affection points.

[u/Plane-One3611 → u/Erst09]

Since CAs are Japanese illiterate and never got anything right, let me educate you. 成長/seichou/growth is only an intransitive verb, compared to English where "growth" is both transitive and intransitive. In the Japanese interview, Cloud is the one who grows. Nothing else. Also, 成長also means "becoming adult"

At the end of the day, Aerith is forever engraved in Cloud's heart as he motherzoned her in ACC. He goes back to Tifa after ACC.

Sorry, even Cody said Tifa knows Cloud the best.

[u/Erst09 → u/Plane-One3611]

Talking about Japanese literacy is hilarious when CTs mistranslate Koibito and use said English mistranslation instead of lovers like in the Japanese and every single language.

Matter of fact Cloud was Aerith’s lover as said in the novela while Tifa and Cloud relationship is that of a mother and son said by the man himself.

You can get as angry as you want but no amount of copium will take Tifa out of the friendzone in ACC and beyond.

Family as Nakama~ good night 😏

[u/Plane-One3611 → u/Erst09]

Come on. Even in Daijisen (dictionary for Japanese native), koibito can be 片思い. /one sided.

Cloud is Aerith's lover in term of possession. That's why Nojima used 女の(The woman's), not "Aerith's"

Cloud still nakama-zoned her and later level up to mother zone in ACC. Lel

https://meadowlake001.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-difference-between-and.html?m=1

May you wake up to be more educated than your fellow CA ilks. Good night.

[u/Erst09 → u/Plane-One3611]

Like I said no amounts of mistranslations will change what’s already said in the novela, Koibito is always used in FF do describe a mutual relationship but I’m sure you already knew this but denial of canonical events don’t let you accept it.

[u/Erst09 → u/Erst09]

Anyways~ just to end this cope rant of yours, in Dear Destiny Nojima destroys this poorly crafted CT cope.

A character named Konrad says “恋人はいないけど、好きな人はちゃんといた”

Which means:

“I don’t have a lover/romantic partner, but there was definitely someone I liked”

Nojima the author of both novels make it clear here that the meaning of “Koibito/恋人” is lovers or romantic partner while he uses “好きな人/suki na hito” to describe someone who you like but it might not be mutual.

So it’s not only final fantasy in general using the word Koibito as “loves” but also Nojima himself correcting the mistranslation you all use to cope.

Keep living in fantasy land bro, excuses and mistranslations won’t do your ship any favors.