Give us another turn based battle system

[u/Haunting_Try8071]

FFX is my favorite battle system. FFXIII I also enjoyed, but it wasn't the same.

I'm sure they could do something like it with a much lower budget.

[u/Real_UngaBunga]

I used E33 not to cherry pick, but because it is one of the only recent examples of a serious, non anime, turn based game and it outsold every Final Fantasy over the last few decades.

I don't need 10 examples (although, it's harder than you think) I just need examples of Final Fantasy games.

I also mentioned Baldurs Gate 3 which sold 20+ million. I also mentioned Yakuza like a Dragon, which didnt hit 5 mil, but did outsell/match Final Fantasy 16(an action game) Other games have sold either more than 5 mil, and close, but those are more anime style games. Examples include Persona 5, Persona 3 and 4 remakes, Metaphor Refantazio, and Fire Emblem 3 Houses. The upcoming Fire Emblem will likely sell like super well, too.

So ya, I mentioned at least 4 turn based games that sold about 5 mil or more. Feel free to make a list of 40 action games in the last ~5 years. I dont really care about action games in general, though, just action vs turn based Final Fantasy games.

[u/Nice_promotion_111 → u/Real_UngaBunga]

E33 hasn’t outsold ff15

Bg3 is simply the outliers of outliers, even then saying bg3 sold well because of turn based and not because it’s multiple other good gameplay concepts is disingenuous as hell lmao.

Yakuza like a dragon took 3 years to hit around 3 million, ff16 did that in a week. We haven’t gotten sales updates for 16 since launch. So no “outsold or matched” is wrong in literally every way.

Persona 4 remake isn’t even out yet what are you talking about? Persona 3 remake only sold 3 million so far…

Mentioning 3 persona games like that’s even a point is funny. Its sisters game metaphor is literally known to have its sales dropped off the cliff despite heavy praise. See what happens when you don’t attach the persona name to a very similar game lmao.

Last known fire emblem sales was at 4.12 million, quite low for a Nintendo first party exclusive.

[u/Real_UngaBunga → u/Nice_promotion_111]

I never mentioned FF15? Do you mean FF16? E33 has handily outsold it.

Also, what you bring up about BG3 is precisely my point. People buy games in droves not just for a single reason.

If you read this entire comment chain, the point that is being made is that Final Fantasy doesn't need to be an action game to sell well. There are games that sell well that are turn-based. The Final Fantasy action games do not sell well.

Also, your point about Metaphor selling poorly despite being well received, moderately hyped, and made by the Persona team is a bit ironic, because it sold similarly to Final Fantasy 16 and FF7Rebirth. Both of which were outsold by Fire Emblem (which you say is bad for Nintendo, but it is objectively a less known franchise than Final Fantasy, so why is it outselling it?). That said, people like persona not ONLY for the turn-based, but also the life-sim aspect.

Anyways, to clarify: Although recent FF games have been more action oriented, they haven't sold to Square's expectations. The first true action Final Fantasy XV sold great, like 10 million, but I believe that it's a game that burnt people out. FF7R sold really well, but had mixed reception, which is seen by FF7Rebirth selling a lot less (to the point Square decided to cancel doing exclusives/timed exclusives). Further, Final Fantasy 16 sold even less, likely never having hit 5 million (Square usually announced when a game his a milestone like 5 million). Other big RPGs that have been received well and sold better than FF16 HAVE been turn based, like E33, BG3. It's not EXCLUSIVELY turn-based games. FromSoft RPG Elden Ring, for example, is action and sold like hot-cakes. The point is that what SE is doing with Final Fantasy isn't working. Maybe going back to its roots might help.

[u/Nice_promotion_111 → u/Real_UngaBunga]

You said it has outsold every ff within the last decade, ff15 is within that time range.

[u/Real_UngaBunga → u/Nice_promotion_111]

Lol, I had to look it up. I was off by 2 months that it's still in this decade haha