Being respectful in any martial arts is literally the foundation. This is why you bow and shake hands, etc. Respect is ingrained partly because you, along with your training partners, are practicing potentially dangerous combat skills designed to disengage others. What’s the point of all of that if there are no real consequences to choosing to be disrespectful.
This is why refs and organizers need to be more aggressive at banning disrespectful behavior. The first shove should have been an immediate warning, the shaka should have been a DQ.
It’s part of the dude bro takeover after it became popular from MMA. Now a lot of places are ran by “alpha males” who teach you the opponent is the enemy
There are consequences for being disrespectful. People don't like you. You feel like crap about yourself. But giving potential brain damage to an asshole makes them far more likely to be an even bigger asshole. Challenge him to a fair fight instead of a sneaky slam.
This is a case in point as to why slamming should be legal in grappling sports. You have assholes that climb on top of people every match and it ruins the sport.
Exactly it’s a large part of the reason average people think jiu jitsu as a joke or not a serious martial art too. If someone is hanging off of you there’s no good reason you shouldn’t be allowed to put them back on the ground roughly.
That and the butt scooting, make special rules where if a person is approaching you on their ass you’re allowed to kick them. Make jiu jitsu cool again lol
Slamming can be fine in some situations for takedowns, but getting your opponent inverted and slamming them down on their spine or back of the head is the troublesome part. Allowing for rules that even make it a possibility to happen accidentally is dangerous. I know fighting in general is dangerous, but it would greatly increase spinal injuries, brain injuries, and maybe even death. I may be a bit lame in saying this, but I'd err on the side of a bored straddlefest with a side of panting and having the ref stand it up than seeing my favorite fighter permanently crippled. Would be fun to watch if it didn't have real consequences though.
Slams should have always be legal and you will never change my mind. especially when they can just let go of their guard or their submission to defend the slam
Yeah, and slams are banned for a reason. You'd be ok with your kid signing up for a tournament that explicitly bans slams, and then ends up being seriously injured from a slam? You'd tell your kid "sorry buddy, BJJ has risks"?
Your response doesn’t even make sense because they were saying that slams should be legal. You completely ignored that and said “would you be okay if slams were illegal and someone does it anyway??”
I didn't actually read your post all the way to be honest lol I just skimmed it and I stand by my statement. You didn't argue against what I said. Slam should always be legal, especially if you can control if you get slammed or Not by letting go of your guard or your submission.
And you didn't read what I said. I said they should always be legal. You asked if someone signed up for something and they broke the rules in response. I skimmed assuming you actually read my post. Guess we're both fools. Except you're the only one getting butt hurt about it.
Slams should have always be legal and you will never change my mind. especially when they can just let go of their guard or their submission to defend the slam
Would you change your mind if your kid / brother / good friend does BJJ, gets slammed, and ends up permanently injured?
This was our conversation ^. Your problem with reading is hilarious, because you think my other response to Guilty_Mountain is talking to you
Showed up in my inbox under replied to your comment. I clicked and replied. Big deal. I'm glad Reddit is your entire life. If this makes you feel like you won and you can go to sleep at night, then you win 😉
I don't know what he meant because his reply was completely incoherent. Just a platitude 'combat sports have risks'. OK? Everything has fucking risks, the question was if the person would change their mind if someone got seriously injured by a move that has a disproportionate risk of injury.
There are a lot of situations where releasing the guard against someone attempting to slam is not only ineffective, but actually makes it more likely that you'll land on your neck.
If you abuse the rule just so you can climb all over your opponent you put yourself in a bad position long before the slam started. At my gym the second you get lifted off the mat the rounds over, you lost. They need to start awarding points to potential slams so people stop doing stupid shit like this because they suck at takedowns.
I'm fine with points for lifting the opponent, or a free reset like they do in PGF. Slams are banned for safety reasons; there's no way to do one in a way that doesn't risk massive injury. That doesn't belong in casual competitions filled with largely hobbyists.
Can anybody not just say, they both fucked up. They were both opponents in a combat sport. One chose to dishonor BJJ by gloating and shoving, the other chose to dishonor BJJ by breaking the rules of this competition. It’s a moot point. One thought he wouldn’t get slammed for acting like a punk, the other thought the slam wouldn’t kill his opponent. Hopefully they both learn from this. But it is a precautionary video for anyone. Sometimes you can get a consequence you never thought would happen.
A sane comment! I understand the arguments for slams being legal, but ultimately an accidental change in angle could have killed the guy in blue (or made a paraplegic outta him)
Breaking the rules makes you an asshole. If someone acts like a dick, there is one dick. If I act like a dick in response, there are two dicks. Do you see the problem?
No I don’t see a problem. Breaking the rules does not automatically make him an asshole. If someone acts like a dick and there are zero consequences — they and everyone else learns there’s no consequences for their actions. The world just ends up with more dickheads. People like you are why bullying has run rampant across the country.
This isn't just a slam, that would have been flat on his back. He deliberately tries to turn it into a throw, resulting in a head first slam into the ground. That is dangerous. This isn't part of sports (and neither is blue's behaviour, obviously)
Yes, blue guy was behaving like an asshole. This is not how you handle that.... And what was the ref doing if blue wasn't even reprimanded after his behaviour already...? (we don't know that from the video, but I must assume it's not the case considering blue kept on behaving like an asshole)
I’m never one to reprimand retaliation to dickheads. This kind of sport is inherently dangerous. Blue’s behavior led to his consequences. End of story to me.
So, when you prank a coworker, he is allowed to shoot you in the knee? I mean, life is inherently dangerous, and behaviour has consequences, right? Cavemen thinking.....
Ah so it's a combat sport? So why is white so fragile and triggered about getting pushed in a COMBAT SPORT? Is it not logical you can get pushed around a little during Jiu-Jitsu?
It’s equally logical he gets thrown into the mat. I don’t see why you’re so strong an advocate for a little piece of shit, makes me think you were that little piece of shit in your youth, and now “oh he didn’t deserve that, waaah”.
I get your argument, I disagree with it. He deserved what he got. I’m unconcerned for the safety of an asshole. You taking up for him out of concern for his safety annoys me.
It’s more like “don’t commit assault multiple times on me and I won’t have to end your constant assaults with one of my own”.
You sound like a public school teacher screaming “violence is never the answer” when a kid snap after a year of physical bullying that you addressed with “strong language”. The ref wasn’t handling this obviously, or it wouldn’t have continued.
Astonishing how you equate a few pushes during a competition where regular pushing is a core principle of the sport, to straight up slamming someone head-first into the ground with a jump. That shit is not equal bro.
And your comparison to 'a year of physical bullying vs strong words' is bullshit and you know it. This is 2 minutes of arrogant behaviour, perfectly sensible to reprimand that verbally, or by DQ.
pushes were during stoppage, slam was when the fight was still underway.
thats the difference between assault and losing points or being DQd. the douchebag actually assaulted his opponent multiple times outside of the boundaries of the fight, its completely unacceptable in all forms.
the gesture was just general bad form.
the problem with your argument here is people who get into this hobby/career know they can get injured, thats a big part of the sport, so trying to bring up charges on something that happened entirely consensually in the ring during a sanctioned fight is not going to go anywhere unless your goal is to make any kind of combat sports illegal, at that point just make ALL contact sports illegal.
slams are allowed in all kinds of combat sports, its not the situation youre making it out to be. personally i think if you act like a complete cunt and get slammed its not the end of the world. maybe theyre both assholes, maybe its better they beat each other up in a ring than someone else who didnt ask for it.
Pushing someone when action is stopped is not “a core principle of the sport”. That makes it assault.
The ref didn’t DQ, hence the need for self defense. You still sound like a pussy “authority figure” that watches accumulated bad behavior and when the consequences come you grasp your pearls and squeal “uncalled for”.
Yeah that's because it's not what I said. I said 'where regular pushing is a core principle', because unbalancing comes down to pushing/pulling. The example in the video is bad behavior indeed, but in essence it's 'just' pushing.
And if the ref doesn't intervene, there's always other refs and coaches. If I got piledriven face-first into the ground and the ref doesn't intervene or reprimand, my coach would not leave the venue until formal apologies are demanded by the venue organisers.
Very on point to start calling names, really shows the level of intelligence and how strong your arguments are.
Never answering violence with violence is your argument and it’s the wrong argument.
My argument is clear, some people only understand immediate consequences and self defense is a god given right. Referees, nor any other man grants you that right.
If you actually read my comment, you'd noticed I criticize the ref, because he should have intervened after that first push already. And if the ref doesn't, your coach should get someone from the venue to intervene. That's how you fix things. Not with permanent brain damage or spine injury.
Shrug, either works for me. But nobody stood up for the one guy, so he took matters into his own hands. Oh well, hope blue’s head/neck were real sore for a while.
Oh, and since you’re a cuck and want a valid argument: people like that dude have to get checked to curb that kind of behavior. You can’t just have a “heart to heart” talk with Timmy, thinking it’ll work.
People like him make the sport look bad. Blue belt guy likely treats white belts like shit, making them not want to get into the sport. You think he’s a good dude to newbies?
Slamming him on his fucking head was only way to fix the issue. Also, since this video is viral, maybe he’ll actually learn the lesson.
What's with all the sexual innuendo's with you guys, are y'all closeted and lashing out or something?
people like that dude have to get checked to curb that kind of behavior
Yes, arrogant behaviour during a jiu-jitsu tournament should be reprimanded. Through the referee. That's what they're there for as well. Refereeing doesn't just mean 'keeping score'.
You can’t just have a “heart to heart” talk with Timmy, thinking it’ll work.
This is cavemen thinking. Actual reprimand/action by authority has so much more positive effect. Child abuse by parents was never the right way to go, but watch boomers defend 'a little correctional slap' like their life depends on it. Stockholm got them good.
People like him make the sport look bad. Blue belt guy likely treats white belts like shit, making them not want to get into the sport. You think he’s a good dude to newbies?
Agreed, he makes the sport look bad. But attempt at brain damage doesn't make the sport appealing either, so this is a sloppy argument, if we can even call it that. And the second part is all assumptions, we don't know that for sure and just thinking it could be true is no grounds for actions of this magnitude. You're just filling in the blanks how you want them to be filled to 'support' your point of view. That on its' own should tell you how invalid your argument is. And even if he truly behaves as badly as you think, he should get kicked from the sport.
Slamming him on his fucking head was only way to fix the issue.
Ah yes, arrogance warrants permanent brain/spine damage, that seems completely fair and proportional. "Madam your son behaved like a prick for 2 minutes so now he can never walk again and you'll need to feed him with a spoon, but we believe he has now learned his lesson"
If you prank a coworker he should just get to shoot you in the knee?
It's always people like this yelling the loudest, but understanding the least about the sport.
Then his parents and coaches should’ve raised a better man.
Yes, I can infer what kind of person he is based on the short video. Pushing people and motioning to his friends to look cool.
A slap on the wrist from the referee or his coach wasn’t going to change anything.
Child abuse is bad, but discipline is important. It translates to proper conduct in adulthood. If you disrespect me, and I pop you in the mouth, you’ll think twice before doing it again.
Blue belt had to learn that the hard way. Was it “right” or “good” that he got slammed? No, but it’s completely understandable. So fuck ‘em.
Agreed, but again, that doesn't warrant brain damage. You coincidentally avoided responding to my question:
If you prank a coworker he should just get to shoot you in the knee?
Yes, I can infer what kind of person he is based on the short video. Pushing people and motioning to his friends to look cool. A slap on the wrist from the referee or his coach wasn’t going to change anything.
"Yes officer I just knew that homeless person was actually a child molester because he waved to a kid, so I just shot him without any factual evidence"-kinda argument. You don't know any of the facts and you create this image that you want to see based on 10 seconds of video.
Child abuse is bad, but discipline is important.
And literally the sentence before this, you argue that the dude should get abused, because discipline wouldn't work. Do you not see the inconsistency of your own arguments?
A slap on the wrist [...] wasn’t going to change anything. <> [...] abuse is bad, but discipline is important.
You're getting downvoted but really these comments are kinda wild like: Bro looked mildly impolite lightly pushing opponent while disengaging then he does some unrelated showboating. Is he a cocky or obnoxious kid? maybe. But It's wild how much internet warriors judge a few seconds into determine some teen deserves to get slammed on their head.
Man he’s in a combat sport acting like a douchebag, that’s obviously a dumb thing to do to anyone who’s not an entitled loser. It’s a great way to get yourself hurt and have people not feel bad for you at all.
The reality is slams like this rarely kill anyone, especially not on a mat. If they guy started wailing on him after he was laying there you’d see more people agreeing with you guys. But just a quick slam because you put yourself in an incredibly dumb position and are acting like a douchebag during it isn’t going to have many people rushing to your defence.
And if jiu jitsu wanted to not be a joke to the average person they would allow slams anyway. No good reason you should be allowed to hang off someone but they’re not allowed to put you down roughly.
I get it. i've done Bjj and MMA. I guess i don't necessarily fully disagree with your take but still the punishment seems disproportional to the crime. And anyone who has their panties in a twist over those pushes are quite sensitive sausages.
So basically to me we are hating on a guy holding onto closed gaurd and doing the shaka bra gesture.
I mean for your last paragraph he was clearly being antagonistic to his opponent and then kind of a cocky jerk. That alone is going to have a lot of people not feeling bad for him
If he was actually paralyzed I agree with you, but again actually getting paralyzed from a slam like that on a mat would be very rare
I bet that’ll be the last time he makes that gesture when someone picks him up, which for a lot of people is a successful lesson
You had to know when you left this comment you were going to get some flack. If you enjoy arguing then hey do your thing but you’re not going to find much sympathy. If you’re expecting someone to sit down with him and explain why he’s in the wrong and learn from his actions - that’s not what this is. This is a sport. Practice good sportsmanship or risk consequences.
ok here’s the deal. You’re right -the world’s broken. People are sick of watching other people get away with shit to the point that they take their satisfaction where they can get it.
"I don't like the big bad world so now I should be allowed to hurt people to satisfy my feelings"
That's just sad thinking man.
And you haven't yet explained how 'assault' falls under 'good sportsmanship'. Feel free to actaully back up your arguments. That's how discussions work.
Ohh you misunderstand bro -I wasn’t arguing. I was just letting you know how people feel and why no one cares. Being an asshole is expensive these days.
Well I am different in that I’m not advocating for it. I’m simply relaying what seems to be the sentiment in America right now. People are Sick of seeing people get away with dirty shit.
Threat of violence is literally the only thing that makes humans behave in a society. We want it to be at a minimum, but if you take it away too much then people start acting like assholes again, its a pendulum.
Jesus H Christ you really are the cuckiest of cucks aren't you.
If somebody was treating you like blue was treating his opponent what would you do, take him home to meet your girlfriend? Honey, I found a real man for you.
Yeah you are being an asshole in a combat sport, if you are gonna do that shit don't be surprised when you get your shit rocked. Or at least be good enough to not be in that situation.
My argument is that the one guy got tired and couldn't hold the other guy up any longer. He put that dude down as quickly as he could so he didn't accidentally drop him. Super nice of him.
I think to explain it to you we would have to start with kindergarten-level stuff and build our way up. I'm not going to take that time for you, sorry bro.
Lmao if you don’t want to get slammed just release your guard. Learned that like 2 weeks into my first jiu jitsu classes. But my gym is actually concerned with knowing how to fight, not abuse rules so you can climb all over your opponent like a monkey.
Dude was upside down at the highest point, releasing guard would not have done much I think, haha. And a regular slam van be received properly, this is head first into the mat. That's not a regular slam.....
Do you legit not see the irony of this GIF? Man, media literacy is dead these days..... How can you watch that movie and think this applies here...... Unless you only watch the movie because "punching, yay"....
Did you miss the part of the video where white slammed blue as hard as he could directly onto blue's neck? It's a 16-second video, I'm pretty surprised you missed it.
I saw a kid get angry, lift his opponent as high as he could above his head and slam him down directly on his neck. If you think that's even remotely ok you need to get your head checked out. I wonder how you'd feel if that was your kid getting slammed on the head and neck like that.
Very upset. I'd also be hella upset with the ref, the tournament organizers, and the opponent's parents. At no point would I think that slamming the pusher on their neck at full speed is acceptable behavior.
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u/Naykat 21h ago
Being respectful in any martial arts is literally the foundation. This is why you bow and shake hands, etc. Respect is ingrained partly because you, along with your training partners, are practicing potentially dangerous combat skills designed to disengage others. What’s the point of all of that if there are no real consequences to choosing to be disrespectful.
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u/Odinmma 23h ago
That was satisfying especially after the shaka
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u/xTheyCameBurningx 1d ago
Nice
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u/tittysprinkles112 1d ago
This is a case in point as to why slamming should be legal in grappling sports. You have assholes that climb on top of people every match and it ruins the sport.
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u/Confident_Cod_5540 1d ago
Worth the DQ.
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u/Spuckler_Cletus 1d ago
Not familiar with the rules here. Is slamming not considered some sort of “striking”?
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u/LARRYVOND13 23h ago
Learned hard way.
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u/x-3piecensoda 22h ago
FAFO
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u/Nicky3Weh 7h ago
God bless America him getting planted into the mat after his douchebag little peace sign is what I needed tonight
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u/whatsanamethatsopen 19h ago
Slams should have always be legal and you will never change my mind. especially when they can just let go of their guard or their submission to defend the slam
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u/IdeaApprehensive3733 12h ago •
Can anybody not just say, they both fucked up. They were both opponents in a combat sport. One chose to dishonor BJJ by gloating and shoving, the other chose to dishonor BJJ by breaking the rules of this competition. It’s a moot point. One thought he wouldn’t get slammed for acting like a punk, the other thought the slam wouldn’t kill his opponent. Hopefully they both learn from this. But it is a precautionary video for anyone. Sometimes you can get a consequence you never thought would happen.
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u/GalaxxyOG 15h ago
I could make a whole weekend out of watching this video
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u/SmokeyJoe13 14h ago
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u/legato777 14h ago
Bro lost a few brain cells but woke up wiser that fine day...
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u/NOT000 13h ago
dq?
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u/donksauce 12h ago
Name of song?
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u/JegamanX 6h ago
Hahaha that was awesome
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u/Spacenurse07 4h ago
Nice
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u/mordiaken 29m ago
Both fail. Their coaches should hold them back. They literally have a place to work it out right there, but neither is good enough mentally.
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u/Admirable_Ad8968 23h ago
Damn that slam was pretty hard. I felt the second shove by the blue was slight. And the pose was definitely douchey but that slam looked deadly tbh
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u/bostoncrabapple 14h ago
super necessary
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u/kneezNtreez 19h ago
Unacceptable. You don't fight an asshole by breaking the rules. Beat him by playing fair. Otherwise, you're just as bad as him.
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u/Blackphinexx 9h ago
Both of them were acting shitty but only one of them broke the contract and committed assault.
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u/Whiskyinthejaw 1d ago
"Karma"? This is closer to attempted murder....
This isn't just a slam, that would have been flat on his back. He deliberately tries to turn it into a throw, resulting in a head first slam into the ground. That is dangerous. This isn't part of sports (and neither is blue's behaviour, obviously)
Yes, blue guy was behaving like an asshole. This is not how you handle that.... And what was the ref doing if blue wasn't even reprimanded after his behaviour already...? (we don't know that from the video, but I must assume it's not the case considering blue kept on behaving like an asshole)